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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Don Pedro said:
There is no doubt that the club has no interest in winning now. Everything is geared towards the future so in a way Ange is just a guinea pig being forced to play the young players who are just not ready to win now.

The problem with this model is that the players who are ready (Kulusevski, Romero, VDV) will just get sick of hanging around and not playing in the champions league. So we end up selling them and just replacing them with more young talent. Its a vicious cycle where you end up like a dog chasing your own tail because you never have a team that is actually ready to win. You will always be 2/3 players short.
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Find an attacking manager to appease the fans for a bit. Hope to luck into a good table position.

If the good players want to go, the club turn a profit. The Tottenham way
 
Deuterz said:
Toughest the PL has ever been my absolute arse. One team of any serious quality. Forest are fucking 2nd. City in turmoil. United are absolutely awful. Woolwich are worse than last season and Chelsea are a top 4 side at absolute best. Brighton are fucking mediocre and Villa are only a small step above. Howe’s Newcastle look great right now FFS.

Chelsea, Bournemouth and Brighton have younger squads. Other teams are a whisker away. What a terrible reason to be shit. Ange apparently wanted kids and was vocal about how happy he was with the windows. Got his 65 million quid striker too. We have no proven outstanding players? Guess that depends on your definition. We have a lot of very good players relative to the top 8 who we are now erm .. all below.

Flawed is a fucking understatement. He has us facing down a relegation fight if we lose the next few games. We are bottom half. This is all happening in his 2nd full season after two transfer windows with 130m+ spent on players he apparently wanted. We have lost to Ipswich at home and Palace with zero injuries, among other total embarrassments.

Pochettino took a squad widely considered terrible (worse than the one Ange took over with far less resources) and polished it very well indeed. Shit turned south at the end of his reign but all managers will eventually fall off, you don’t expect it in the 2nd season.

Almost any coach of real quality does better right now, let’s be honest about this. Waaa waaa injuries, as if it isn’t partly his fault and they haven’t been an issue for him at other clubs. We have 3 starting XI players out - put your big boy pants on and grind out points. We looked about as shit as Wolves with home advantage.

Comparing Ange with Poch is insulting to Poch. One made us a team to be feared, the other a team other sides are excited to face. We are a joke. A giggle for rivals. Haha aren’t spurs entertaining under the Aussie clown, aren’t they fun as we watch them concede 6 and run in to each other. Fucking hell..
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If only there was a way we could pit these two managers against each other in the same league, at the same time, and just to make it interesting we could give Poch the much bigger and better billion pound squad with an abundance of expensive options just to handicap Ange and see who comes out best.

We could sort this out once and for all…
 
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StripiestPilot said:
The excuses being made for Ange and the reluctance from the board to sack him are mind-boggling to me. This is not “keeping faith in the project” this is simply lowering the acceptable standards for this club. Much better managers than Ange got sacked for doing better than he has. There are already murmurs about United sacking a second manager this season and they are only 2 points behind us in the league.
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I think the mental gymnastics people are performing to keep coming back to "we should keep him" illustrate the insanity of football fans as a whole.

To keep watching what is happening. To have all the underlying facts laid out in front of them, in all their gory details, to see us in our worst position since Ramos, our worst ENIC manager, and still come back to the conclusion we should keep him shows a lot.
It's like any basic level of logic and simple day to day reasoning ability goes completely out of the window for football fans.

"I know this berry is highly toxic, it will kill me, I'll die a horrible, horrible death"
Logic - don't eat the berry.

"I know this coach is making us worse. We're tumbling down the league, wins are getting fewer and further between, players that were once good are getting worse, players who didn't get injuries are now getting injured a lot, we're getting closer to the bottom 4 than the top 4"
Logic - keep doing what we're doing. For no apparent reason, this is the anwer.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I think this tweet and the original video get closer to what the conversation should be


View: https://x.com/jon_mackenzie/status/1873852037508849832?s=46&t=fbqxNuG9CT4qTaiJx8mBjg

I’m obviously open to a different coach than Ange being what we need but not a complete change in direction away from attacking football.

And as long as we accept that we are in the middle of a complete change in direction and squad build away from Son and Kane consistently getting us enough points to keep fans happy.

I don’t want a new coach who won’t give minutes to Gray, Bergvall, Moore, and Odobert etc even if that coach might get us regular 5th place finishes because I’m bored of that cycle and investing in young players who have a higher ceiling than the senior players which fit our salary and budget is a direction I agree with.

That’s why I’m still in favor of adding more seniors to this squad to see if that helps us short term whilst Ange is here, because I know he’s going to keep giving minutes to our talented young players.
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wait what??? if you agree with this transfer policy then why exactly have you been overly critical of Levy doing just that to the point that we have the 2nd highest net spend since Ange has been here? and the majority is on young players?
 
skywalker68 said:
His system just seems to be based on, we will out attack you.
But it only works a few times, we are so easily out thought and beaten, can't believe they are going to give him more time.
Just get someone in who, can provide a more balanced approach, solid at the back and decent in attack.
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You make it sound oh so simple.

I’m definitely Ange-out but imagine thinking simply changing the manager is going to get us a trophy.

You naive lil boy.

😂
 
Look, Levy and ENIC are the route of all evil, this is undeniable.


But

Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running three Honda civics with spoon engines, and on top of that, he just went into Harry’s and bought three t66 turbos with nos, and a motec exhaust system.​

 
bus-conductor said:
If only there was a way we could pit these two managers against each other in the same league, at the same time, and just to make it interesting we could give Poch the much bigger and better billion pound squad with an abundance of expensive options just to handicap Ange and see who comes out best.

We could sort this out nice and for all…
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Imagine that.

Now watch the excuses come out for Poch about how difficult his job was but because Ange actually survived and finished above him, that will be held against him like Poch would BE outcoaching him now if he was still around.
 
The Absolute GOAT said:
You make it sound oh so simple.

I’m definitely Ange-out but imagine thinking simply changing the manager is going to get us a trophy.

You naive lil boy.

😂
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Man UTD are the case in point.

Amorim is a good manager... Has the European experience everyone says Ange lacks, is tactically adaptable (whatever the fuck that actually means) and has taken UTD backwards. In the short term maybe (we will see about that) but goes to show that changing a manager now is very far from guaranteeing a better outcome for this season.

One thing it definitely will do is continue the culture of giving up on managers when things get bumpy. That is the only thing we KNOW it will achieve.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I agree with signing talented youngsters. What I don't agree with is not also having the seniors in the squad to win whilst they develop.
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but we got the second highest net spend because we signed youngsters/younger players for the most part.

You're saying we should continue doing that as well as signing proven players who will be 50m plus signings. That will make us the highest net spenders(since Ange took over) by some distance.

It's like you want it both ways but this isn't football manager. You can't continuously say Net spend doesn't matter when Levy is doing what you've stated you prefer. You realise younger players for the most part command a lower wage generally speaking right? then how can you then say the best way to judge is wages (which you've said countless times).
 
kingdawson said:
but we got the second highest net spend because we signed youngsters/younger players for the most part.

You're saying we should continue doing that as well as signing proven players who will be 50m plus signings. That will make us the highest net spenders(since Ange took over) by some distance.

It's like you want it both ways but this isn't football manager. You can't continuously say Net spend doesn't matter when Levy is doing what you've stated you prefer. You realise younger players for the most part command a lower wage generally speaking right? then how can you then say the best way to judge is wages (which you've said countless times).
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That net spend is because we dropped 40m on an 18 year old.

But it's well-established that net spend is misdirection if you want to measure budgets against winning. Wages are actually predictive to winning and we CUT our wage bill in a HUGE way this summer.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Man UTD are the case in point.

Amorim is a good manager... Has the European experience everyone says Ange lacks, is tactically adaptable (whatever the fuck that actually means) and has taken UTD backwards. In the short term maybe (we will see about that) but goes to show that changing a manager now is very far from guaranteeing a better outcome for this season.

One thing it definitely will do is continue the culture of giving up on managers when things get bumpy. That is the only thing we KNOW it will achieve.
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Amorim is a bum like Ange. Has already stated he won't change his tactics because that's what got him the job in the first place. Trying to implement this 3-4-2-1 (or whatever variation) when they don't have the personel for it.

He knew Newcastle would pack the middle with energetic runners like Joelinton, Bruno and Tonali....then still played a midfield 2 of Eriksen and Casmeiro exposing his backline like Postenoclue when he played the one DM with Maddison and Kulu infront the earlier parts of the season.

Ten Hag was ridiculed yet won 2 cups with that awful squad. Must be pissing himself laughing now.
 
kingdawson said:
Amorim is a bum like Ange. Has already stated he won't change his tactics because that's what got him the job in the first place. Trying to implement this 3-4-2-1 (or whatever variation) when they don't have the personel for it.

He knew Newcastle would pack the middle with energetic runners like Joelinton, Bruno and Tonali....then still played a midfield 2 of Eriksen and Casmeiro exposing his backline like Postenoclue when he played the one DM with Maddison and Kulu infront the earlier parts of the season.

Ten Hag was ridiculed yet won 2 cups with that awful squad. Must be missing himself laughing now.
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Amorim is also a bum now?

Those principles won Sporting their first title in 20 years.

Pretty much every coach we have had has had principles they won't change. I would be more shocked if we find a top coach who will change their principles.

Sidebar: You are 100% right about his MF selection against Newcastle. Madness. Unless he had no other choice and Mainoo couldn't play 90mins and we didn't know that. Where was Ugarte as well? Crazy MF selection on the face of it.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Man UTD are the case in point.

Amorim is a good manager... Has the European experience everyone says Ange lacks, is tactically adaptable (whatever the fuck that actually means) and has taken UTD backwards. In the short term maybe (we will see about that) but goes to show that changing a manager now is very far from guaranteeing a better outcome for this season.

One thing it definitely will do is continue the culture of giving up on managers when things get bumpy. That is the only thing we KNOW it will achieve.
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Hes a good coach almorim but given the time at sporting to get his ideas across. But portugal has 3-4 decent teams, the rest are cannon fodder. Premier league is relentless. Every game is tough. Could argue the same with ange is scotland. 4 tough games a season against 1 tough opponent.
 
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