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Leaving aside the debate over the handball, the first goal we conceded yesterday is a good example of the reckless way Ange demands that we play.

We’ve just gone in front against a superior team and have a young, patched up side out. We know we struggle to defend a lead or keep a clean sheet. Yet in the next play, the keeper rolls the ball to Gray inside the box when there are 5 Newcastle players ready to press. Gray plays a pass to Sarr who has two players rushing at him. He sees the danger but overhits his pass to Bergvall and we lose possession in an incredibly dangerous area and concede.

That’s the thing that’s going to get Ange the sack. There is no appreciation of the game state, no recognition of our position in the table and our relegation form, no respect for the opponent. There is no communication with the team when he’s on the sideline. There was no need to play at a hundred miles an hour like that especially after we took the early lead against a much better team. Ange fundamentally does not believe in the idea of protecting the lead, taking the sting out of the game, slowing the game down. It’s all out attack, all the time. We saw the same silly shit against Chelsea when we were 2-0 up.

Meanwhile when Newcastle came out for the second half, they focused on protecting their lead and they won the game without their keeper having to make a meaningful save. Ange is never going to get anywhere at this level with his childish insistence that the only way to win a game is to attack recklessly for 90 minutes.
 
StripiestPilot said:
Leaving aside the debate over the handball, the first goal we conceded yesterday is a good example of the reckless way Ange demands that we play.

We’ve just gone in front against a superior team and have a young, patched up side out. We know we struggle to defend a lead or keep a clean sheet. Yet in the next play, the keeper rolls the ball to Gray inside the box when there are 5 Newcastle players ready to press. Gray plays a pass to Sarr who has two players rushing at him. He sees the danger but overhits his pass to Bergvall and we lose possession in an incredibly dangerous area and concede.

That’s the thing that’s going to get Ange the sack. There is no appreciation of the game state, no recognition of our position in the table and our relegation form, no respect for the opponent. There is no communication with the team when he’s on the sideline. There was no need to play at a hundred miles an hour like that especially after we took the early lead against a much better team. Ange fundamentally does not believe in the idea of protecting the lead, taking the sting out of the game, slowing the game down. It’s all out attack, all the time. We saw the same silly shit against Chelsea when we were 2-0 up.

Meanwhile when Newcastle came out for the second half, they focused on protecting their lead and they won the game without their keeper having to make a meaningful save. Ange is never going to get anywhere at this level with his childish insistence that the only way to win a game is to attack recklessly for 90 minutes.
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Ah, the joy of 20:20 hindsight

I never knew that playing out from the back came under the heading of "attacking recklessly"

Every day is a schoolday
 
Jaynola said:
We absolutely are in a relegation battle.

No longer winning at home. Utterly awful away from N17. Shit against supposedly weaker opposition. Can't keep a clean sheet to save our lives. Struggling to create chances. Manager is a clueless cunt. Owner & chairman are the most inept in world football. Players are weak physically and mentally.

20 played, 10 defeats. That's just this season. Add in the results from the backend of last season and how Ange hasn't yet been sacked - as well as Levy & his gang - for sheer incompetence is beyond me.
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A huge stretch but we can only hope it is because we are being sold and the new owners want to put their man in as manager when they come in. Massively unlikely but it is the only bit of hope I have. But as usual with THFC, I suspect they will crush that little bit of hope too!
 
StripiestPilot said:
Leaving aside the debate over the handball, the first goal we conceded yesterday is a good example of the reckless way Ange demands that we play.

We’ve just gone in front against a superior team and have a young, patched up side out. We know we struggle to defend a lead or keep a clean sheet. Yet in the next play, the keeper rolls the ball to Gray inside the box when there are 5 Newcastle players ready to press. Gray plays a pass to Sarr who has two players rushing at him. He sees the danger but overhits his pass to Bergvall and we lose possession in an incredibly dangerous area and concede.

That’s the thing that’s going to get Ange the sack. There is no appreciation of the game state, no recognition of our position in the table and our relegation form, no respect for the opponent. There is no communication with the team when he’s on the sideline. There was no need to play at a hundred miles an hour like that especially after we took the early lead against a much better team. Ange fundamentally does not believe in the idea of protecting the lead, taking the sting out of the game, slowing the game down. It’s all out attack, all the time. We saw the same silly shit against Chelsea when we were 2-0 up.

Meanwhile when Newcastle came out for the second half, they focused on protecting their lead and they won the game without their keeper having to make a meaningful save. Ange is never going to get anywhere at this level with his childish insistence that the only way to win a game is to attack recklessly for 90 minutes.
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Good post.

Plus when Gray is rolled the ball his back to to the entire pitch, he can’t see what is behind him and all the newcastle players running towards him. It was a bad decision by the keeper and by a player who isn’t a centre back so wasn’t positioned correctly. But it’s from the manager like you say. If he doesn’t demand this from inexperienced players then the keeper twats the ball up the pitch or is more calm and we don’t concede
 
Brian Fantana said:
A huge stretch but we can only hope it is because we are being sold and the new owners want to put their man in as manager when they come in. Massively unlikely but it is the only bit of hope I have. But as usual with THFC, I suspect they will crush that little bit of hope too!
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I've given up hope of that now mate.

As yourself and others have pointed out, what was once a football club has now been fragmented into so many subsidiaries and branch off companies any sale will just involve too many complications and legal loopholes for any prospective buyers to navigate.

The only scenario I can see feasible is the football club itself being sold with the stadium being leased back on some long term occupancy agreement.

It fills my heart with sadness, but I really think Daniel Levy has won.
 
Bloodbath said:
We finished 5th last season, so it does work when we can get a decent team on the pitch.
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Let's be honest, the first 10 games helped them until, others worked them out.
After that , from New Year onwards it was fairly average stuff, losing 5 out of the last 7 is similar trending to now.
The team usually only plays in brief spells, either a good first half or a better second half.
After that it generally falls apart and ends up all frantic and chaotic.
 
John Thomas said:
I've given up hope of that now mate.

As yourself and others have pointed out, what was once a football club has now been fragmented into so many subsidiaries and branch off companies any sale will just involve too many complications and legal loopholes for any prospective buyers to navigate.

The only scenario I can see feasible is the football club itself being sold with the stadium being leased back on some long term occupancy agreement.

It fills my heart with sadness, but I really think Daniel Levy has won.
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They won a long time ago didn’t they?

Now we are just left bickering amongst ourselves all while it just peters on like a dribbly wet fart.
 
StripiestPilot said:
Leaving aside the debate over the handball, the first goal we conceded yesterday is a good example of the reckless way Ange demands that we play.

We’ve just gone in front against a superior team and have a young, patched up side out. We know we struggle to defend a lead or keep a clean sheet. Yet in the next play, the keeper rolls the ball to Gray inside the box when there are 5 Newcastle players ready to press. Gray plays a pass to Sarr who has two players rushing at him. He sees the danger but overhits his pass to Bergvall and we lose possession in an incredibly dangerous area and concede.

That’s the thing that’s going to get Ange the sack. There is no appreciation of the game state, no recognition of our position in the table and our relegation form, no respect for the opponent. There is no communication with the team when he’s on the sideline. There was no need to play at a hundred miles an hour like that especially after we took the early lead against a much better team. Ange fundamentally does not believe in the idea of protecting the lead, taking the sting out of the game, slowing the game down. It’s all out attack, all the time. We saw the same silly shit against Chelsea when we were 2-0 up.

Meanwhile when Newcastle came out for the second half, they focused on protecting their lead and they won the game without their keeper having to make a meaningful save. Ange is never going to get anywhere at this level with his childish insistence that the only way to win a game is to attack recklessly for 90 minutes.
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Sorry, this is nonsense unless you want our players to just hoof it constantly when they have the ball, what happened yesterday is a technically proficient player who would normally make that pass into midfield wasn't allowed to because an opposition player handled the ball outside the box, now whether you think it should be handball or not according to the laws is besides the point...the point is that you can't put that incident down to the way the manager plays when that could have happened to anyone, not just us.

The funny thing is we didn't overdo it yesterday, our keeper was constantly going long when he had the ball, that was obvious by design because Austin isn't good with the ball at his feet. If our manager was as stubborn as you say he would have got Austin to keep going short, that didn't happen the vast majority of the time

It never ceases to amaze me how selective people can be with this playing out from the back crap especially when we are successful from doing it, have a look how our first goal was scored, short ball into Porro on the half turn from the keeper, played to Bergvall who drove onto midfield back to Porro who made the cross for the goal - I didn't see anyone complaining about it then

Just pure over analysis, boring.
 
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A lot of the analysis is right. It’s also wholly unnecessary. Bottom line is another game we lost. The apologists can justify it with the same old excuses that they’ve been using for months, but they’ve been wearing thin for ages. I doubt the board are quite so kind. Top 6 football clubs aren’t as forgiving of hurtling towards 15th place as fans who have become part of a weird personality cult.

Winning is all that matters right now. Not performances, winning. We need points not patting each other in the back because we didn’t get dicked. It’s another home game against a non big 6 club that we’ve lost. Even a draw at least puts us more than one fixture away from being equal with Palace. Yes, Palace.

He’s getting the sack. Liverpool United may be called off and they will go strong in the first leg. After that and our inevitable NLD defeat, that will be the last straw imo. Couple more losses which put us in a situation we’ve not been in for a very long time.

I fundamentally believe even the players available are more than good enough to be doing better. Clubs above us have worse players available even with injuries. To have spent more than any Spurs coach to be here? So intolerable. He needs to go. And he can take the cultists with him.
 
Brian Fantana said:
Good post.

Plus when Gray is rolled the ball his back to to the entire pitch, he can’t see what is behind him and all the newcastle players running towards him. It was a bad decision by the keeper and by a player who isn’t a centre back so wasn’t positioned correctly. But it’s from the manager like you say. If he doesn’t demand this from inexperienced players then the keeper twats the ball up the pitch or is more calm and we don’t concede
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Austin played 13 long balls across the 90 mins yesterday, the most any keeper has played for us in any 90 min match this season, only 4 were successful by the way because Solanke kept getting smothered by Burn and the ball kept coming back.

Like I said unless you want the keeper to constantly boot it every time he has the ball that's fine but you need to prepare for us give away possession more often than not - it's a game of high risk high reward.
 
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John Thomas said:
I've given up hope of that now mate.

As yourself and others have pointed out, what was once a football club has now been fragmented into so many subsidiaries and branch off companies any sale will just involve too many complications and legal loopholes for any prospective buyers to navigate.

The only scenario I can see feasible is the football club itself being sold with the stadium being leased back on some long term occupancy agreement.

It fills my heart with sadness, but I really think Daniel Levy has won.
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Surely just purchasing the football side would be difficult, any buyer would normally have to buy the whole entertainment package.
Maybe levy has indeed, made it so complicated to own that he himself stays in power, which is the worst scenario ever for the clubs progression.
 
glacierSpurs said:
Lol, someone actually supporting the club and got called out. What's the world heading to.
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By this logic being a Mourinhoista was supporting the club. Standing by an obviously finished coach longer than necessary because people bought in to a person rather than realising where he was taking the club.

This guy is losing every single week. We haven’t changed or learned all season. Every team looks at our ground as the easiest place to go right now. It’s an embarrassment.

When we are level or behind Palace, West Ham and United will the alarm bell finally ring for some or will the exact same excuses get trotted out because people think support is about being performative and sticking by an out of his depth coach on a football forum.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Funny, they don’t want us to “attack relentlessly” but that’s exactly what they do to their own team and manager, attack them relentlessly.

Seems to me they are actually taking inspiration from Ange if anything
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That parrallels are pretty uncanny with the Ange outers

Relentlessly attack the team and the manager

Never adapting their arguments

Have no plan B in replacing the manager when he's sacked.

😂
 
Deuterz said:
By this logic being a Mourinhoista was supporting the club. Standing by an obviously finished coach longer than necessary because people bought in to a person rather than realising where he was taking the club.

This guy is losing every single week. We haven’t changed or learned all season. Every team looks at our ground as the easiest place to go right now. It’s an embarrassment.

When we are level or behind Palace, West Ham and United will the alarm bell finally ring for some or will the exact same excuses get trotted out because people think support is about being performative and sticking by an out of his depth coach on a football forum.
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Oh give it a rest you great big misery.

If you actually went to a football match live you'd notice the fans in the stadium actually support their side whatever the conditions/circumstances, yesterday the atmosphere in the stadium wasn't of great doom and misery like you constantly want to make out.

Thank god fans like you don't ever put the effort in to go to match because to be quite frank your 'support' of this club is pretty embarrassing in itself.

Always excuses for other teams but can never make the same excuses for Tottenham.

You moaned last season when we finished 5th, so being down in 12th is what sad fans like you deserve.
 
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