Manager Ange Postecoglou

[nicoclaesen]

I mean the idea is that the winger stays wide and stretches out the defence and the FBs can underlap into the gaps between the opposition FBs and CBs. It worked better last season but our wingers have been so abject this year and Porro andUdogie so knackered it’s not really happened as much recently.

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But all you do when a full back wants to underlap is go to a back 5 and kill the size of the gaps and let teams play in front of you and that’s what every team does to us. Underlapping full backs are useless. It’s so easy to stop and you can counter so easy when you win it. The space to attack when a team wins the ball against us is ridiculous because we have both full backs inverted at the same time. Fuck being a centre back for us

 

[White Van Jan]

All he is doing is being at the back post when the ball is getting delivered from the left.

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If it leads to goals, great.

The best chance of that happening is Werner taking on the FB on the outside and crossing immedialtey. something he's good at and Son not so much right now. Hopefully no more than a fitness thing with him.

johnsons often the only one who CAN score those. He's got fantastic pace when not running with the ball. We saw it at Citeh. He had to sprint like hell from a long way out but still got there.

Werner put one of those across v Barcodes, Dom couldnt make it. Not blaming him, he's our best player this season imo. Always puts in a shift. I don;t think Johnson was on the pitch, if he had been he'd have likely got the tap in.

Johnson is a limited player. But its on Ange to get the best out of him. Play to his stengths.

Werner at pace on left, Johnson coming in from the right. Very difficult to defend against. But often W and BJ not on the pitch at the same time. And thats on Ange.

 

[nicoclaesen]

If it leads to goals, great.

The best chance of that happening is Werner taking on the FB on the outside and crossing immedialtey. something he's good at and Son not so much right now. Hopefully no more than a fitness thing with him.

johnsons often the only one who CAN score those. He's got fantastic pace when not running with the ball. We saw it at Citeh. He had to sprint like hell from a long way out but still got there.

Werner put one of those across v Barcodes, Dom couldnt make it. Not blaming him, he's our best player this season imo. Always puts in a shift. I don;t think Johnson was on the pitch, if he had been he'd have likely got the tap in.

Johnson is a limited player. But its on Ange to get the best out of him. Play to his stengths.

Werner at pace on left, Johnson coming in from the right. Very difficult to defend against. But often W and BJ not on the pitch at the same time. And thats on Ange.

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If they two are on the pitch at the same time we are pissing into the wind. They offer so little in general play. Was you at Ibrox or watch the game? They were both disgraceful that night with and without the ball. Not good enough to be at our club and we shouldn’t accept such mediocre players.
We won’t ever improve with those types.

 

[Matt1882]

I would.

MUFC were going to pull the trigger on Ten Egg after the horror shows v Coventry, Bretnford, B'mouth, Brighton, Palace etc etc etc. But no. an entertaining but a bit flukey win over the noisy neighbours at Wembley and in front of a huge TV audience, and they extend his contract lol. Only to fire him 3 months later!!

EL: We're joint favourites, massively bigger than 99% of the clubs in it. Winning it would be easier than the FA cup or LC with no City, Chavs, Goons, Barcodes, Dippers.

I'd be over the Moon to win it. It would be fantastic. But with Ange in charge next season? No. Him again for another PL campaign with the likelihood of lower mid table, and dont get me started on the embarrassment of a CL campaign!

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Mate, we were lucky to escape Glasgow with a draw.
We ain't winning the ropey league.

There are teams in there that are decent and in form.
We do not beat those teams, mate.

 

[Matt1882]

This is worth a listen. For those who've been questioning why a man who on paper is our worst manager this century somehow still retains the support of the match going majority

"There’s a lot of things fans aren't happy about with the club and Ange is way down that list"


View: https://x.com/ChangeForSpurs/status/1876272779357732867?t=5Iz0WtHyaYjbLdRw9Xh9Zg&s=19

Hmmm

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Lost me straight away.
Levy's not going and Ange is not suddenly going to learn how to coach if he did.

It's a pointless counter argument.
Ange has to go and a coach, better at coaching professional football teams, has to replace him.

 

[Maureen]

I would give him till the end of the season because I think he deserves a chance to turn it around and it would be unfair to sack him with the side we have been fielding lately and we are not going to get anyone better in at this point unless you want another mason type stop gap again?

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To be fair his had like 15 months to turn things around.
What we now get is contradictory statements and a complete lack of structure in our play. He is just a winging it man. I don’t actually he knows what he is doing in most games. Also why does he always make tripe subs?

 

[Skippa18]

I mean the idea is that the winger stays wide and stretches out the defence and the FBs can underlap into the gaps between the opposition FBs and CBs. It worked better last season but our wingers have been so abject this year and Porro andUdogie so knackered it’s not really happened as much recently.

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It's too easy to defend against.

The opposition widemen don't even bother tracking our fullbacks inside anymore, they just double up on our wingers.

The whole purpose of the FB going inside is to pull the opposition out of place and isolate their full back 1v1...it rarely happens but leaves us exposed on transition when we inevitably concede possession because there is no space to play and we only have a couple who are genuinely good at keeping the ball.

Our possession game and build up is currently flawed using inverted full backs.

 

[matspur]

Its a decent target and makes sense to loan without obligation, he's out of form and they want him off the books for a bit.

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I know nothing about Muani to be fair. But if he is out of form at the moment then it is hard to imagine that he will regain said form at the festering pustule of a football club that is currently our beloved THFC- the kind of club as of late where the previously immune to injury become regular fixtures in the treatment room. The kind of club where players who looked like world beaters at their previous workplace seem slow to develop and in many cases their careers appear to nosedive!

 

[Richard Arlison]

This is worth a listen. For those who've been questioning why a man who on paper is our worst manager this century somehow still retains the support of the match going majority

"There’s a lot of things fans aren't happy about with the club and Ange is way down that list"


View: https://x.com/ChangeForSpurs/status/1876272779357732867?t=5Iz0WtHyaYjbLdRw9Xh9Zg&s=19

Hmmm

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It’s a good summary of fans frustrations.

 

[White Hart]

I know nothing about Muani to be fair. But if he is out of form at the moment then it is hard to imagine that he will regain said form at the festering pustule of a football club that is currently our beloved THFC- the kind of club as of late where the previously immune to injury become regular fixtures in the treatment room. The kind of club where players who looked like world beaters at their previous workplace seem slow to develop and in many cases their careers appear to nosedive!

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Muani has started 2 out of 14 games and averaged about 30 minutes a game. Hard to build up any form like that.

 

[matspur]

Muani has started 2 out of 14 games and averaged about 30 minutes a game. Hard to build up any form like that.

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My post was a bit tongue in cheek to be fair. However if at age of 26 he is not good enough for the French League then should we really be entertaining bringing him here?

 

[Matt1882]

It's too easy to defend against.

The opposition widemen don't even bother tracking our fullbacks inside anymore, they just double up on our wingers.

The whole purpose of the FB going inside is to pull the opposition out of place and isolate their full back 1v1...it rarely happens but leaves us exposed on transition when we inevitably concede possession because there is no space to play and we only have a couple who are genuinely good at keeping the ball.

Our possession game and build up is currently flawed using inverted full backs.

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Have you ever noticed how any half decent team manages to outnumber our attackers AND our defenders all game long?
We push everyone up, but we spend all game passing side to side, into the middle, back out wide, back into the middle. And then we lose the ball, and in the blink of an eye, the opposition have 3, even 4 on 2 breaks.
It's bonkers that we get outnumbered at both ends of the pitch.

 

[Rebrov_Likes]

My post was a bit tongue in cheek to be fair. However if at age of 26 he is not good enough for the French League then should we really be entertaining bringing him here?

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I mean, by all metrics the Bundesliga is a better league than Ligue 1 and he’s done well there. A lot of the time a player’s fit to a team, the tactics, the culture is as crucial to them performing compared to the league they are playing in.

 

[Honest John]

Lost me straight away.
Levy's not going and Ange is not suddenly going to learn how to coach if he did.

It's a pointless counter argument.
Ange has to go and a coach, better at coaching professional football teams, has to replace him.

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Not saying I agree or disagree. Just pointing out why the Ange Out sentiment within the stadium isn't as strong as some people think it should be.
As Larry David said, he's fucking nailed it.

 

[Skippa18]

Have you ever noticed how any half decent team manages to outnumber our attackers AND our defenders all game long?
We push everyone up, but we spend all game passing side to side, into the middle, back out wide, back into the middle. And then we lose the ball, and in the blink of an eye, the opposition have 3, even 4 on 2 breaks.
It's bonkers that we get outnumbered at both ends of the pitch.

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Yeah we work so hard to create our chances but gift them away to the opposition

 

[matspur]

I mean, by all metrics the Bundesliga is a better league than Ligue 1 and he’s done well there. A lot of the time a player’s fit to a team, the tactics, the culture is as crucial to them performing compared to the league they are playing in.

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Yes he did ok with Eintracht for a season until he got wind of PSGs interest and then refused to train with the Eintracht first team. We have just got rid of one French man with a bad attitude and probably don’t need another

 

[TheSpurEst]

All he is doing is being at the back post when the ball is getting delivered from the left. It’s not rocket science. He should be on double the amount goals he’s on but he misses too many and isn’t brave enough to go in where it hurts. He’s bang average at best and anyone saying he’s better than that is blind. Needs replaced as a starter now along with Sonny. Both players are impact subs for the last 20 mins of games when the game is stretched.

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Hahaha.
Lad has scored 11 goals and assisted 3 with half the season.
"should be on double amount". So you'd expect him to be on 22 goals after ~1800 minutes ?

Yeaa... right.

I agree that current perforcmance levels and our ambition considered, Johnson should not be a starting winger.
But not because of him "missing good chances" nor "not scoring enough" - this in fact is pretty much only aspect he is actually GOOD IN.
Real issue is his ability to carry and then accurately deliver the ball to danger areas. And also his passing/tracking back/ overall play.

 

[Rebrov_Likes]

It's too easy to defend against.

The opposition widemen don't even bother tracking our fullbacks inside anymore, they just double up on our wingers.

The whole purpose of the FB going inside is to pull the opposition out of place and isolate their full back 1v1...it rarely happens but leaves us exposed on transition when we inevitably concede possession because there is no space to play and we only have a couple who are genuinely good at keeping the ball.

Our possession game and build up is currently flawed using inverted full backs.

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Teams have made adjustments against us for sure, but I think the biggest problem this year has been the total lack of anything resembling daring wingplay from the wide men. You can invert fullbacks, you can overlap, you can do many different things, but at the heart of it is you need someone to either pass the ball with imagination or to beat their opponent carrying the ball in the final third to be successful.

I also think the general cowardice from the wide players who are afraid to expose themselves to losing take ons, and ferrying the ball back to a congested middle directly leads to those turnovers being more dangerous. If you lose the ball wide it is far easier to cut off passing options than if you lose it in the middle.

 

[matspur]

Teams have made adjustments against us for sure, but I think the biggest problem this year has been the total lack of anything resembling daring wingplay from the wide men. You can invert fullbacks, you can overlap, you can do many different things, but at the heart of it is you need someone to either pass the ball with imagination or to beat their opponent carrying the ball in the final third to be successful.

I also think the general cowardice from the wide players who are afraid to expose themselves to losing take ons, and ferrying the ball back to a congested middle directly leads to those turnovers being more dangerous. If you lose the ball wide it is far easier to cut off passing options than if you lose it in the middle.

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Is it general cowardice from the wide players or a lack of guile though or a combination of the two? I mean two quick wingers in Johnson and Werner should put the fear of God into defenders. Oh for a Waddle or a Ginola

 

[Rebrov_Likes]

Is it general cowardice from the wide players or a lack of guile though or a combination of the two? I mean two quick wingers in Johnson and Werner should put the fear of God into defenders. Oh for a Waddle or a Ginola

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Dear God, the thought of Waddle in Angeball is enough to wake one weep. Even a young Anderton too.