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Has VAR Ruined Football?

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peter merison said:
The thing with VAR is its just another opinion and its also making referee's lazy.
VAR should be for ball in and out of play and leave the rest to the Ref, if he fucks up I'll get over it fairly quickly, with VAR the argument continues for days and days.
Microphone the refs and VAR is another option for all to hear, works well in Rugby.
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I agree with refs being micd up. Ligue 1 does this and selectively releases games and it makes a big difference because you realise how absurd the players are and how much pressure there is. It humanises the refs.

PL desperately needs that.

The controversy around decisions was around long before VAR. That is everyone else connected with the game doing that - managers, fans, media - even though most of their tales are dumb or wrong.
 
LeParisien said:
I agree with refs being micd up. Ligue 1 does this and selectively releases games and it makes a big difference because you realise how absurd the players are and how much pressure there is. It humanises the refs.

PL desperately needs that.

The controversy around decisions was around long before VAR. That is everyone else connected with the game doing that - managers, fans, media - even though most of their tales are dumb or wrong.
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I wasn’t aware that ligue 1 actually did this so if you watch it that probably explains why you’re a bit more forgiving of the refs that the rest of us are.

Following on from the question I asked earlier in the thread, do you think prem league refs could do better?
 
Mandy said:
I wasn’t aware that ligue 1 actually did this so if you watch it that probably explains why you’re a bit more forgiving of the refs that the rest of us are.

Following on from the question I asked earlier in the thread, do you think prem league refs could do better?
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Of course they can.

But the media must do much more to explain and reflect reality rather than stoke controversy.

I just finished View from the Lane. One pundit said he didn’t care what the rule book says ?!!
Wow.

He also said that the handball law bow is pages and pages long with lots of clauses. It’s very short. You can read the rule in 2 minutes on one section of a page. Why lie about the rules?

Another pundit said the rules change every week.

No one has pointed out the hypocrisy of fans losing their mind when Moura’s handball led to the Kane goal being disallowed… and then also losing their mind when a handball leading to the Newcastle goal WAS allowed.

It’s an obviously biased and inconsistent set of takes by most fans.

For me both goals should stand.
 
Broadcasting the VAR discussion that led to the Newcastle goal being allowed to stand wouldn't have been that helpful. Respect for the judgement of the officials would have collapsed in the middle of the match. We don't need technology tweaks, we need better officials.
 
Crockett said:
Broadcasting the VAR discussion that led to the Newcastle goal being allowed to stand wouldn't have been that helpful. Respect for the judgement of the officials would have collapsed in the middle of the match. We don't need technology tweaks, we need better officials.
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Its good enough to release for the whiny scouse everyone else should be allowed to
 
Shadydan said:
PGMOL in a nutshell


View: https://x.com/villaontour_/status/1876737530688643151
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This is a bad decision though for me. It looks bad but there’s clearly no intent and his momentum carries him through and he slips. On MOTD they also showed his ankle twisted as he reached the player which led to him standing on the player. Shows the importance of getting lots of angles and understanding what’s happened from the point of view of the offender - you have to search for the mitigating factors.
 
LeParisien said:
Yeah but in real time he’s clearly just moving in and his arm moves by his side. No one in the real world who isn’t biased would say hes purposely trying to handball there. He’s just a human with arms moving towards the ball.
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De ligt was id say less than a yard from mcallstair diverting the ball onto his arm and it was a peno. You telling me thats not a free.
If that happens down the pitch if it was say a ball being played through its 100% been given a free for handball
 
LeParisien said:
Given your bad take and foul-mouthed rant against referees, I can see why you’d want to keep talking about your perceived slight.

It was rude but you could easily just brush it off. What does this stranger on the internet even know about me? If it were me then I would give you a funny look - it’s obviously false - and keep things on topic.

Referees get far too much abuse from fans and commentators for making correct decisions and in other cases for making reasonable decisions. It doesn’t help football culture at all to be so fixated on calls particularly when 98% of them are correct.
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Refs do not get any criticism from commentators
 
LeParisien said:
I agree with refs being micd up. Ligue 1 does this and selectively releases games and it makes a big difference because you realise how absurd the players are and how much pressure there is. It humanises the refs.

PL desperately needs that.

The controversy around decisions was around long before VAR. That is everyone else connected with the game doing that - managers, fans, media - even though most of their tales are dumb or wrong.
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As someone pointed out though youd get over it because of human error. The errors now are as bad as ever, decisions are still wrong and enjoyment is going out of the game. Cant celebrate a goal anymore
 
LeParisien said:
Yeah but in real time he’s clearly just moving in and his arm moves by his side. No one in the real world who isn’t biased would say hes purposely trying to handball there. He’s just a human with arms moving towards the ball.
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Yeah but why are they not analyzing the slow mo from every angle like they do when they can send our players off or disallow our goals?

Natural position is not the same as unintended...

Joelinton proved many times in that match what a dirty cunt he is, also he is in the top 3 or 5 of most fouls committed this season, so let's not pretend he is some sincere upstanding honest human. He made no effort to remove his hand and the ball was not exactly blasted at him.

As proven time and time again, laws are stringent when against us, but yet often our opponents are allowed 'common sense' or leyway. That's what stinks. If our player did what Dan burn did, it's a 2nd yellow instantly.
The law says yellow must be issued for players handling the ball to stop a counter attack... Yet nothing. So laws are bullshit and not properly adhered to, only when it suits them.

The law also states players should be cautioned for diving, but that is rare as fuck. Given the dozens of dives each week there should be plenty of yellows issued. Bissouma got one last season though a second yellow at that.

How many times our guys get booked for one or 2 small tackles, yet Joelinton, Yates etc can make 6+ before totting up begins. The damage those unpunished fouls do can't be overlooked.

All this law stuff is just a fallacy, a shield to use when it suits them.
 
Kuya said:
Yeah but why are they not analyzing the slow mo from every angle like they do when they can send our players off or disallow our goals?

Natural position is not the same as unintended...

Joelinton proved many times in that match what a dirty cunt he is, also he is in the top 3 or 5 of most fouls committed this season, so let's not pretend he is some sincere upstanding honest human. He made no effort to remove his hand and the ball was not exactly blasted at him.

As proven time and time again, laws are stringent when against us, but yet often our opponents are allowed 'common sense' or leyway. That's what stinks. If our player did what Dan burn did, it's a 2nd yellow instantly.
The law says yellow must be issued for players handling the ball to stop a counter attack... Yet nothing. So laws are bullshit and not properly adhered to, only when it suits them.

The law also states players should be cautioned for diving, but that is rare as fuck. Given the dozens of dives each week there should be plenty of yellows issued. Bissouma got one last season though a second yellow at that.

How many times our guys get booked for one or 2 small tackles, yet Joelinton, Yates etc can make 6+ before totting up begins. The damage those unpunished fouls do can't be overlooked.

All this law stuff is just a fallacy, a shield to use when it suits them.
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He doesn’t have to make an effort to remove his hand. If his hand is in a natural position and it’s accidental then it’s not a handball offence. Both those things are true so it’s not a handball offence.

Simple question to show you you’re wrong.


View: https://youtu.be/STbB_Y73z3A?si=tI75lVYCa0X187zy

Is this a handball?

What’s the difference?

For me neither are handballs. The rule change since that shocking decision is a good one. I’m consistent.
 
LeParisien said:
He doesn’t have to make an effort to remove his hand. If his hand is in a natural position and it’s accidental then it’s not a handball offence. Both those things are true so it’s not a handball offence.

Simple question to show you you’re wrong.


View: https://youtu.be/STbB_Y73z3A?si=tI75lVYCa0X187zy

Is this a handball?

What’s the difference?

For me neither are handballs. The rule change since that shocking decision is a good one. I’m consistent.
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That's the point, it was in natural position but how do you know intent? The slow mo later shows movement towards the ball, that was ignored by VAR. You'd think he'd try not to handball it given the confusion over them often.

Why is the law so stringent there anyway, it's clearly a ridiculous advantage gained, no common sense.

You don't answer about why sometimes laws are more enforced than other times either. If laws are there then follow them 100% of the time no matter what club commits the infraction.

Can't follow the law with that handball goal, butwilfully ignore the law and don't give burn a second yellow for deliberately handling the ball and stopping a counter attack.

No Moura's is not a handball, he has no choice and can't avoid that. Not sure why that is an example either, he is not in control of his limbs really. Hardly the same as Joelinton who is on his feet and fully expecting the ball to be played right next to him.
 
Kuya said:
That's the point, it was in natural position but how do you know intent? The slow mo later shows movement towards the ball, that was ignored by VAR. You'd think he'd try not to handball it given the confusion over them often.

Why is the law so stringent there anyway, it's clearly a ridiculous advantage gained, no common sense.

You don't answer about why sometimes laws are more enforced than other times either. If laws are there then follow them 100% of the time no matter what club commits the infraction.

Can't follow the law with that handball goal, butwilfully ignore the law and don't give burn a second yellow for deliberately handling the ball and stopping a counter attack.

No Moura's is not a handball, he has no choice and can't avoid that. Not sure why that is an example either, he is not in control of his limbs really. Hardly the same as Joelinton who is on his feet and fully expecting the ball to be played right next to him.
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In both cases the players have arms and clearly don’t mean to handball it. Of course you can’t read minds but there’s no need indication of evidence they meant it. No reasonable neutral would see it otherwise for both Moura and Joelinton.

Common sense is in the eye of the beholder and that leads to exactly the kinds of inconsistencies you say you don’t want

Referees are trying to be objective but everyone else is wildly bias and has double standards so they can never win.

Personally I don’t feel the Burn incident was a handball offence but I do agree that once he gives it, it’s hard to understand why a yellow hasn’t been given.

I also agree that some rules should be better enforced, like diving. Diving is a difficult one though and it will take very brave referees to be sure that they are conned and not mistaken - that’s probably why it’s not punished so often. I would be in favour of retrospective punishments for clear dives though.
 
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