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Player Pedro Porro

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Kosta said:
He needs to be sold. His defending is woeful and he loses his man at the back post every match… Spence is your right back
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Agree Spence should be given some time ar RB

Re Porro: I mean, good shot, good cross, good engine, good with the ball, suspicious in defence - really dont know why we don't try him as RW. Especially now when our options at RW are really limited. And Reguilon can slot at LB so its not that our defence cannot be completed without Porro now.
 
malin said:
Agree Spence should be given some time ar RB

Re Porro: I mean, good shot, good cross, good engine, good with the ball, suspicious in defence - really dont know why we don't try him as RW. Especially now when our options at RW are really limited. And Reguilon can slot at LB so its not that our defence cannot be completed without Porro now.
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Completely agree. When everyone is fit, Spence at RB with Porro as an option at RW sounds genuinely good. Better crosser of the ball than Johnson and also seems less hesitant to take players on also.
 
Kosta said:
He needs to be sold. His defending is woeful and he loses his man at the back post every match… Spence is your right back
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Fucking hell you're on a role lol First Maddison and now Porro.

This fanbase is good at throwing players on the scrapheap when they're out of form or have had some bad games it's mental.

The chances are he gets back to form when the team get back on form with or without this manager.
 
Shadydan said:
Fucking hell you're on a role lol First Maddison and now Porro.

This fanbase is good at throwing players on the scrapheap when they're out of form or have had some bad games it's mental.

The chances are he gets back to form when the team get back on form with or without this manager.
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I don’t think he fits the system. He would be better in a back 5. In a back 4 he’s just not good enough defender

Whilst I’m at it… I’d be looking to sell Bissouma and possibly Bentancur and Romero for the right money
 
Kosta said:
I don’t think he fits the system. He would be better in a back 5. In a back 4 he’s just not good enough defender

Whilst I’m at it… I’d be looking to sell Bissouma and possibly Bentancur and Romero for the right money
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Neither is Trent in a back 4, in fact in terms of 1v1's Trent is probably worse but they have built a squad and a defence to negate that and take advantages of his pros, up to us to do the same

Not saying he's as good as Trent btw, it's just the closest example I could think of.
 
If the choice is between a fullback who can't defend and a fullback who can't attack, for a team like ours you always go with the former. Get a quality holding midfielder who will sit in front of CBs and provide cover, which is a glaring hole at the moment regardless. Use proper CMs instead of trying to shoehorn AMs like Maddison and Kulusevski there. Maybe ask your LB to be more measured with his forward runs, and you're set. You don't have to change your entire formation just to be able to use a player like Porro.

This guy is very good offensively, so much so that people justifiably speculate about how he would look like as a winger. It'd be a massive overreaction to give up on him just because he's not a defensive stalwart.
 
BJK said:
If the choice is between a fullback who can't defend and a fullback who can't attack, for a team like ours you always go with the former. Get a quality holding midfielder who will sit in front of CBs and provide cover, which is a glaring hole at the moment regardless. Use proper CMs instead of trying to shoehorn AMs like Maddison and Kulusevski there. Maybe ask your LB to be more measured with his forward runs, and you're set. You don't have to change your entire formation just to be able to use a player like Porro.
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Considering Ange inverts his FBs; it's not as black & white as that.......

BJK said:
This guy is very good offensively, so much so that people justifiably speculate about how he would look like as a winger. It'd be a massive overreaction to give up on him just because he's not a defensive stalwart.
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Agreed.

I think he'd just benefit a lot - in terms of owning his defensive areas - by not being inverted.......... Straight up and down becomes more of a matter of athleticism and instinct than positional awareness and he's generally got an engine good enough to cope.
 
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Airfixx said:
Considering Ange inverts his FBs; it's not as black & white as that.......



Agreed.
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Looks like Ange won't be here for long, so his peculiarities shouldn't be a big consideration in deciding Porro's fate. Not that I think he's actually on the transfer list.

This sentiment that a player like Porro can only survive as a wingback in a 3 CB formation goes further back than Ange and his inverted FBs. It probably stems from the fact that people tend to treat formations as if they're written in stone, instead of what they actually are: Useful heuristics that can be used to talk about the game in a more comprehensible manner, but nothing more.

There's a lot of room for manoeuvre in a given formation, based on manager's instructions to individual players in and out of possession. Stuff like "This guy can only play in a 2 up front formation", "That guy cannot play in a back 4" are too simplistic.
 
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BJK said:
Looks like Ange won't be here for long, so his peculiarities shouldn't be a big consideration in deciding Porro's fate. Not that I think he's actually on the transfer list.

This sentiment that a player like Porro can only survive as a wingback in a 3 CB formation goes further back than Ange and his inverted FBs. It probably stems from the fact that people tend to treat formations as if they're written in stone, instead of what they actually are: Useful heuristics that can be used to talk about the game in a more comprehensible manner, but nothing more.
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It does; but I don't think it's true.
 
Shadydan said:
Neither is Trent in a back 4, in fact in terms of 1v1's Trent is probably worse but they have built a squad and a defence to negate that and take advantages of his pros, up to us to do the same

Not saying he's as good as Trent btw, it's just the closest example I could think of.
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yes its up to the manager and the coaches to sort it out, But this Guy can't or won't sort it
and I don't know whats worst that he can't (because he doesn't know how to-well empoly better coaches) or he won't (because of his ego)
 
rusty said:
yes its up to the manager and the coaches to sort it out, But this Guy can't or won't sort it
and I don't know whats worst that he can't (because he doesn't know how to-well empoly better coaches) or he won't (because of his ego)
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Not just up to the manager, it's up to the board as well to buy better players for this team.

There's a lot of similarities of how Spurs setup to Klopp's Liverpool side oop btw...especially where they leave their fullback isolated.
 
rusty said:
yes its up to the manager and the coaches to sort it out, But this Guy can't or won't sort it
and I don't know whats worst that he can't (because he doesn't know how to-well empoly better coaches) or he won't (because of his ego)
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He doesn't know how he's out of his depth. And we are 15th as a direct result and before people say injuries he is responsible for them he acknowledge it and Celtic fans warned us.
 
5 of the 9 players who played the most this season are injured

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That giveaway that eventually led to their second goal was rubbish, let's get that one out of the way.

He was the biggest attacking threat today. It obviously tells more about the state of our attackers in general, and our wingers in particular, than it does about Porro. But it also indicates that, despite being a frustrating player in certain respects, he's also a gifted one in others. He can shoot, cross, pass, and move without the ball really well. These are not easy to come by, no matter what the player's position is.

Whether he's actually a winger, a wingback, or just an attacking fullback who needs more cover from his midfielders is up for debate. Regardless, I still think we should avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
BJK said:
That giveaway that eventually led to their second goal was rubbish, let's get that one out of the way.

He was the biggest attacking threat today. It obviously tells more about the state of our attackers in general, and our wingers in particular, than it does about Porro. But it also indicates that, despite being a frustrating player in certain respects, he's also a gifted one in others. He can shoot, cross, pass, and move without the ball really well. These are not easy to come by, no matter what the player's position is.

Whether he's actually a winger, a wingback, or just an attacking fullback who needs more cover from his midfielders is up for debate. Regardless, I still think we should avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Why was so much of our attacking play funnelled down the right? It’s one dimensional and easy to defend against. That isn’t his fault. He’s basically playing as right back, right midfield and right winger with fuck all going on down our left wing.
That’s again down to Ange and our inept coaching staff.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Didn’t put a foot wrong at Brentford imo.

Just keeps getting up and fighting for this team over and over
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Yes he does keep getting up and fighting for his team.

But Porro was implicated in 22 turnovers vs Brentford, including 17 incomplete passes out of 51 attempted (67% pass completion). That's relatively wasteful considering he hardly created any chances (1 shot from 27m at xG 0.02; no other shot involvements either as assist or secondary assist). He won the ball back 9 times, and needed a fair bit of babysitting defensively by Bentancur.

I love Porro's commitment but would like to see him turn the ball over a lot less. Yes he's fatigued which is a mitigating factor but the high number of turnovers is not new (season average 21.5 turnovers per 90).

Spence on the other side was implicated in just 10 turnovers and won it back 12 times, and created a couple of decent chances in the first half. Pass completion 38 out of 45 = 84%. A deserved MotM.
 
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