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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Bissouma now injured with a hamstring strain.

I am sorry but anybody pretending this has nothing to do with Ange is insane. The evidence is overhwhelming.

I have never seen anything like it at a football club, it absolutely has to be down to Ange's training and methods.

Anyone waiting for the injury list to clear up to give Ange a fair crack of the whip is just stupid at this point, because as we are seeing, the injury list is never going to clear up at this point. Under Ange we will always have around 10 players injured, if not more.

Whatever he has the players doing in training is completely fucking up our squad.
And its not that Biss was running to the ground in terms of played minutes. He played like 50% of available minutes in Premier League. Didnt play 90 minutes in the league since Liverpool battered us...
 
I'm sure Conte can recommend a good saint to pray to ;)
How about St. Jude? He's the Patron Saint of Hope and impossible causes.

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Bissouma now injured with a hamstring strain.

I am sorry but anybody pretending this has nothing to do with Ange is insane. The evidence is overhwhelming.

I have never seen anything like it at a football club, it absolutely has to be down to Ange's training and methods.

Anyone waiting for the injury list to clear up to give Ange a fair crack of the whip is just stupid at this point, because as we are seeing, the injury list is never going to clear up at this point. Under Ange we will always have around 10 players injured, if not more.

Whatever he has the players doing in training is completely fucking up our squad.
Rich will be along presently to do exactly this. But of course it's the coaching, it's the lack of game management, it's the fucking dopey mad dash to get the ball back in play without being set, its the zero game management, . It's HIS ENTIRE TACTICAL ETHOS been saying it for a year with the same dopey wankers saying " But Liverpool press!"

#wedontstop

#Fucking muppet
 
Ah, I get it.

You are a strong man.
Just that your legs, hands, neck and core are weak, right :D ?

You literally try to use ONE game example when Spence was banished from playing at all for HALF A SEASON where Porro and Udogie were overworked? You cannot expect anyone to take you seriously, can you?

I do agree, some issues are outside of Ange control. Regarding Vicario and also abscentees of Bentancur had nothing to do with him. Also no issue with Richie - he was injury prone before and it was good he was not thrown in to start vs Everton, could have ended badly there.

Though I generally think that he was hired to achieve best possible results. I do not think that blind and oxygen-deprived running was a KPI in his contract. Neither was starting play as soon as possible in every situation. One has to be smart about these things. Ange game management is anything but smart.
Spence wasn’t banished for half a season. At least attempt to deal in facts. Spence was given a chance to earn a spot in the squad after years of not clicking with several managers in several clubs. He was the first defensive sub Ange made in the season, he also came off the bench against Coventry. Then he got injured. I’d say there was 1 maybe 2 games after that injury where I was thinking he probably could’ve got a chance. I think Ange was asked in one press conference then a game later he was playing.

Your last paragraph is waffle mate. You are just refusing to acknowledge that the club knew how he played football when they hired him and brought him to the club to do that. You really think Ange as stubborn as he is was ever in an interview saying that his philosophy was going to change?
 
Rich will be along presently to do exactly this. But of course it's the coaching, it's the lack of game management, it's the fucking dopey mad dash to get the ball back in play without being set, its the zero game management, . It's HIS ENTIRE TACTICAL ETHOS of being saying it for a year with the sane dopey wankers saying " But Liverpool press!"

#wedontstop

#Fucking muppet
Also Liverpool and other teams that press normally use triggers to press and target players. We quite often have 1 player press with no support. Our press even at its best has no coaching.
 
Bissouma now injured with a hamstring strain.
It's the pitch.

It's the common denominator.

Just because the injuries don't always occur while they are playing on the WHL pitch; it doesn't mean that it can't be the pitch.

Spurs players are disproportionately injured and they play on that pitch 25 - 30 times a season.

An audit needs to be carried out using data from other teams players who have picked up injuries while playing on it too.

When Spurs played Wolves at home the Wolves players were dropping like flies and there was no agenda to time waste.

It was pissing down that day and I reckon it has something to do with that too.
 


I know we've been speaking about it for ages, but it does really seem like we are in do or die territory now.

I genuinely think he needs to win the next 3 games and convincingly.

If we lose on Thursday and drop points on Sunday, he has to be finished. Levy might want the injuries to clear up, but as we are seeing, the list is getting longer so that isn't a sound strategy.

It really just feels like we need a reset even just to banish all the injury curse that Ange has over our squad.
 
Since that 3-0 win on Dec 4th, those 2 games are the only 2 losses they've had in 10.
They've won 6, lost 2, drawn 2. They also didn't need ET to beat Salford in the cup.

So yeah. City money.

And an actual football manager.

No, mostly just money - even with all the money and the best players in the entire league we picked up more points from those same fixtures.
 

Worth a read. Someone with the qualifications to know said this:

“BBC Radio 5 Live's Monday Night Club spoke to sports scientist Anton McElhone, who worked for Postecoglou at Celtic and for Tottenham under Mauricio Pochettino.

"Ange is very clear 'This is how I do it at each club.'

"The players will adapt to it over the months. It was a collaboration. He wanted us delivering the philosophy of 'football first' - everything must start and end with the ball.

"Ange is very good at giving players time off, time to reflect. The training volume is good. “

Mauricio Pochettino brought in front-foot football at Spurs. But to get that style, it probably took six to 12 months. The intensity was through the roof.

"It's survival of the fittest for players. You need to be young, you need to be healthy, you need to have a certain physicality about you, and a mentality to get through that.

"To get that in the Premier League, you do have to train quite extensively for it. But you need the right tools, by that I mean the right players. They need to be robust enough, and I don't know at the moment at Tottenham…

Ange is his own man, he's an exceptional leader and very strong and understanding, and has a good background in sports science and education from Australia."

At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone.

"At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.

"Look at the evolution at Celtic under Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries. We had to get to the winter break to reset."

"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more.
 
I know we've been speaking about it for ages, but it does really seem like we are in do or die territory now.

I genuinely think he needs to win the next 3 games and convincingly.

If we lose on Thursday and drop points on Sunday, he has to be finished. Levy might want the injuries to clear up, but as we are seeing, the list is getting longer so that isn't a sound strategy.

It really just feels like we need a reset even just to banish all the injury curse that Ange has over our squad.
When absolutely everything is gone wrong, there’s no reason to stay the course. You can’t dig your way out of a hole. Going deeper into this “project” with Ange will just waste more time.
 
First the argument was that injuries had very little, if anything, to do with him. Now the argument seems to be that having half of the squad out is what high intensity play entails, and club should somehow have been prepared for this. At this rate any additional injury will be celebrated as another badge of honour for Ange and his approach soon.

People who were so convinced that players were running through walls for him less than two weeks ago now gladly acknowledge those "leaks" about him losing the dressing room, implying that he's the victim of entitled players who downed tools once again.

He was supposed to be that low maintenance floor raiser manager who would make us punch above our weight, now it turns out he is a chequebook manager who "needs to be backed" so that he can avoid a bottom half finish.

He can't lose can he?
 
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