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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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It's the pitch.
It's the common denominator.
Just because the injuries don't always occur while they are playing on the WHL pitch; it doesn't mean that it can't be the pitch.
Spurs players are disproportionately injured and they play on that pitch 25 - 30 times a season.
An audit needs to be carried out using data from other teams players who have picked up injuries while playing on it too.
When Spurs played Wolves at home the Wolves players were dropping like flies and there was no agenda to time waste.
It was pissing down that day and I reckon it has something to do with that too.
I know we've been speaking about it for ages, but it does really seem like we are in do or die territory now.
I genuinely think he needs to win the next 3 games and convincingly.
If we lose on Thursday and drop points on Sunday, he has to be finished. Levy might want the injuries to clear up, but as we are seeing, the list is getting longer so that isn't a sound strategy.
It really just feels like we need a reset even just to banish all the injury curse that Ange has over our squad.
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I think Levy will pull the trigger after Liverpool.
Exactly
And it’s no different to the way Conte was set up to fail with Royal as his Senior RWB and Lenglet as his star CB signing
No, mostly just money - even with all the money and the best players in the entire league we picked up more points from those same fixtures.
Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?
Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.
www.bbc.co.uk
Worth a read. Someone with the qualifications to know said this:
“BBC Radio 5 Live's Monday Night Club spoke to sports scientist Anton McElhone, who worked for Postecoglou at Celtic and for Tottenham under Mauricio Pochettino.
"Ange is very clear 'This is how I do it at each club.'
"The players will adapt to it over the months. It was a collaboration. He wanted us delivering the philosophy of 'football first' - everything must start and end with the ball.
"Ange is very good at giving players time off, time to reflect. The training volume is good. “
Mauricio Pochettino brought in front-foot football at Spurs. But to get that style, it probably took six to 12 months. The intensity was through the roof.
"It's survival of the fittest for players. You need to be young, you need to be healthy, you need to have a certain physicality about you, and a mentality to get through that.
"To get that in the Premier League, you do have to train quite extensively for it. But you need the right tools, by that I mean the right players. They need to be robust enough, and I don't know at the moment at Tottenham…
Ange is his own man, he's an exceptional leader and very strong and understanding, and has a good background in sports science and education from Australia."
At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone.
"At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.
"Look at the evolution at Celtic under Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries. We had to get to the winter break to reset."
"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more.
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When absolutely everything is gone wrong, there’s no reason to stay the course. You can’t dig your way out of a hole. Going deeper into this “project” with Ange will just waste more time.
First the argument was that injuries had very little, if anything, to do with him. Now the argument seems to be that having half of the squad out is what high intensity play entails, and club should somehow have been prepared for this. At this rate any additional injury will be celebrated as another badge of honour for Ange and his approach soon.
People who were so convinced that players were running through walls for him less than two weeks ago now gladly acknowledge those "leaks" about him losing the dressing room, implying that he's the victim of entitled players who downed tools once again.
He was supposed to be that low maintenance floor raiser manager who would make us punch above our weight, now it turns out he is a chequebook manager who "needs to be backed" so that he can avoid a bottom half finish.
He can't lose can he?
People who were so convinced that players were running through walls for him less than two weeks ago now gladly acknowledge those "leaks" about him losing the dressing room, implying that he's the victim of entitled players who downed tools once again.
He was supposed to be that low maintenance floor raiser manager who would make us punch above our weight, now it turns out he is a chequebook manager who "needs to be backed" so that he can avoid a bottom half finish.
He can't lose can he?
The fallacy of sunk cost in a nutshell
Imagine if he ever mated with Grealish and his calves…Carlos says "that's cute"
ange cannot fail. we can only fail ange
Or it could just be a load of made of bollocks?!
Most of the time stuff trotted out in the UK press is complete tosh, or opinion dressed up as fact. What makes it suddenly gospel just because it relates to football?!
It would have legs like a 2 pairs of giant anal beads
When he arrived here, we heard that his Celtic side suffered a lot of similar injuries.
When he arrived , he said to fans to expect lots of similar injuries to the players in the initial stages due to his training methods (and possibly in-game tactical systems) but all would be fine after the players had gotten used to it.
It’s been 1.5 seasons now and the injury situation seems to be getting worse.
if he’s blaming the injury list for our poor performances and results, why doesn’t he change the training methods?
When he arrived , he said to fans to expect lots of similar injuries to the players in the initial stages due to his training methods (and possibly in-game tactical systems) but all would be fine after the players had gotten used to it.
It’s been 1.5 seasons now and the injury situation seems to be getting worse.
if he’s blaming the injury list for our poor performances and results, why doesn’t he change the training methods?
Brilliant interview but you missed one thing his tactics worked at Celtic because Celtic could control games because they were better than the rest of the league because the quality in Scottish Premier League is low. We do not have the advantage of that. So injuries will continue and people will say wait until we get our injured players back.Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?
Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.
Worth a read. Someone with the qualifications to know said this:
“BBC Radio 5 Live's Monday Night Club spoke to sports scientist Anton McElhone, who worked for Postecoglou at Celtic and for Tottenham under Mauricio Pochettino.
"Ange is very clear 'This is how I do it at each club.'
"The players will adapt to it over the months. It was a collaboration. He wanted us delivering the philosophy of 'football first' - everything must start and end with the ball.
"Ange is very good at giving players time off, time to reflect. The training volume is good. “
Mauricio Pochettino brought in front-foot football at Spurs. But to get that style, it probably took six to 12 months. The intensity was through the roof.
"It's survival of the fittest for players. You need to be young, you need to be healthy, you need to have a certain physicality about you, and a mentality to get through that.
"To get that in the Premier League, you do have to train quite extensively for it. But you need the right tools, by that I mean the right players. They need to be robust enough, and I don't know at the moment at Tottenham…
Ange is his own man, he's an exceptional leader and very strong and understanding, and has a good background in sports science and education from Australia."
At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone.
"At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.
"Look at the evolution at Celtic under Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries. We had to get to the winter break to reset."
"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more.
Johnny Bravo doing a handstand
That’s not what it said.