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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Rebrov_Likes said:
You’re supposing stuff from bits and pieces there to fit an overall narrative. The Athletic article only says:

“Sources familiar with the situation, who asked to remain anonymous to protect relationships, say that the medical staff had reservations about Van de Ven’s readiness to play.”

How many times have we seen players thrown into big games when they were not totally fit? Poch playing Kane in the CL final being the most notorious example.

Here’s Jose on his philosophy:

"In every sport – and I know because I have friends and they play at the highest level in other sports – how many times you play and you are not 100%," he said. "I have a friend that is a big tennis player, he tells me he remembers more the times he played with pain than the times he played without any pain. To compete you have to go to the limits. It’s a cultural thing for some and that’s not my culture.

And we saw in All Or Nothing how he was giving Geoff Scott a mental breakdown over injured players.

I’m sure Ange wishes he could take back pickng both for the Chelsea game. It was a bad call, no doubt about it. But sport is high pressure and it does strange things to decision making. He wasn’t the first and won’t be the last manager to do it.
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Imagine how many players play through injuries in every Championship team, in every sport.

The NBA has an 82 game Regular Season, then the Play-Offs after that. Every single member of both teams in the final, EVERY YEAR, will be playing through soft-tissue and likely ligament/tendon discomfort.

It's just a normal part of elite sport. The best players manage themselves better but are also tougher to handle the discomfort and physically more durable to recover faster.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Imagine how many players play through injuries in every Championship team, in every sport.

The NBA has an 82 game Regular Season, then the Play-Offs after that. Every single member of both teams in the final, EVERY YEAR, will be playing through soft-tissue and likely ligament/tendon discomfort.

It's just a normal part of elite sport. The best players manage themselves better but are also tougher to handle the discomfort and physically more durable to recover faster.
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American sport is whole different thing. Playing on injections with torn up muscles was normalised for years. The NFL injury rate this year was absolutely insane. ACLs all over the place seemingly every week . Would love to see some data comparing the injury rates in the different sports.
 
Herclueless said:
I think lumping those two together is incredibly harsh on Potter.

Southgate has never shown at any level that he provides anything in the way of coaching/tactics.

International football suits him as it's just about picking a squad and choosing the best team, and he wasn't even good at that really. Entrust him to try and coach a bunch of players and you'd see the same clueless shit on the pitch that we're seeing now, just minus the intent to attack.
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I've just never been a fan of Potter. Everyone he left seemed to suddenly start scoring for fun after he left. Which is mad considering apparently the reason he wasn't the next Pep was because his strikers couldn't score.
Until he left.

But compared to the shit show we have now, his level of organization would at least sort out the injuries and chaos.
 
Rebrov_Likes said:
American sport is whole different thing. Playing on injections with torn up muscles was normalised for years. The NFL injury rate this year was absolutely insane. ACLs all over the place seemingly every week . Would love to see some data comparing the injury rates in the different sports.
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Think we have to expect that the PL is headed in the direction of American sports now. The owners of the clubs are American or from countries outside the UK and the business will always come before player welfare now. There will be more games and players will just have to hack it. Most will likely turn to PEDs of some kind of they haven't already.
 
Anyone who thinks we are going for Southgate next hasn't a clue. It'll be an attacking manager. They'll stick to the project and hope that Ange laid some good attacking foundations.

Moving to a totally defensive coach like Southgate would be clueless and show we have no direction and are just making it up as we go a long. I'd totally give up on Tottenham if we went for Southgate. I'd be left with no choice but to wash my hands of it all
 
O'Keefe debunked the Geoff Scott thing

:bentancurpoint::bentancurpoint:

18) Made Geoff Scott leave the club even though the fans have been calling for the club to change the medical staff for years
 
Herclueless said:
That might just be the one name in World football that makes me think sticking with Ange is the right move.

Just as hapless on a coaching/tactical level, minus the nice idea of wanting to play attacking football, and a chasm of personality so vast that it would be an insult to the delightful flavour of vanilla to label him vanilla.

I've been quite adamant that there are few people that could be doing a worse job of managing Spurs right now, but he's definitely one of the elite few.
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I get it.

You’re more of a Frank Lampard of Wayne Rooney type of guy.

Young forward thinking attacking minded coach.
 
Herclueless said:
I think lumping those two together is incredibly harsh on Potter.
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it's ridiculous.

Potter took over one a Brighton who survived because there were 3 crap clubs keeping them up. Stayed up by 2 pts. Potter first season were 7 pts clear and better GF and GA. After that set records for PL pts there. Last 12-15 matches or so they were on fire.

Southgate? Got 'Boro relegated and then failed to get back up. Fired by probbly the most loyal Chirman in the country (refused to fire Bryan Robson but got El Tel in beside him to keep them up).

Anyway it's academic now. Levy had loads of chances to get him in and I expect him to do well at Spam.
 
White Van Jan said:
it's ridiculous.

Potter took over one a Brighton who survived because there were 3 crap clubs keeping them up. Stayed up by 2 pts. Potter first season were 7 pts clear and better GF and GA. After that set records for PL pts there. Last 12-15 matches or so they were on fire.

Southgate? Got 'Boro relegated and then failed to get back up. Fired by probbly the most loyal Chirman in the country (refused to fire Bryan Robson but got El Tel in beside him to keep them up).

Anyway it's academic now. Levy had loads of chances to get him in and I expect him to do well at Spam.
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I feel like I've touched a nerve here. Are you Potters nan?

If he's so great a) why did he fail so hard at chelsea and b) why has he ended up at West Ham?

The way you're talking the guy can walk on fucking water.
 
Oh, new fresh article re: injuries dropped? At least thanks to that we won't be spammed anymore here with that old article from Celtic days.
 
Matt1882 said:
Is it a big enough selection of games?
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Well over 10 stretching between the seasons. I'm really not making this up. They went on a run immediately after I saw us winning 2-0 at their gaff.

Matt1882 said:
What about Swansea?
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They only ever had good things to say about him there. Had all his best players sold from underneath him and they still got decent results and played good stuff.

Matt1882 said:
What about Chelsea?
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Obviously a massive ricket. He did poorly there no question. But:

- Check out the shit state that Tuchel left them in. Those results at the start of that season were terrible;
- he was told there was a long term plan (but then the owners bought even more players!);
- at a time when the squad couldn't fit in the dressing room (they had to build another one lol).

It would have taken a certain type of manager to make sense of that shit show. Probably someone with at least good CL experience.

Also - perhaps the greatest manager of his generation failed at Leeds. Clough.

Matt1882 said:
I feel like I've touched a nerve here. Are you Potters nan?
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Er no lol. I just like to look out for British managers seeing as how terrible they've been in the main. I was pro-Howe at B'mouth for the same reason.

Matt1882 said:
why has he ended up at West Ham?
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Fair question and I can't know the ins and outs. Maybe:

- Chavs were paying his salalry all this time and
- he wanted a break
- also to study before going back (he's pretty academic too ofc)
- it was the biggest PL thing likely to be in the offing for the next year or so
- we're bigger but Levy pos took umbrage at being turned down before (conjecture ofc)

Also Cloughie - btween Leeds and Forest went to....Brighton lol.
 
White Van Jan said:
Well over 10 stretching between the seasons. I'm really not making this up. They went on a run immediately after I saw us winning 2-0 at their gaff.


They only ever had good things to say about him there. Had all his best players sold from underneath him and they still got decent results and played good stuff.


Obviously a massive ricket. He did poorly there no question. But:

- Check out the shit state that Tuchel left them in. Those results at the start of that season were terrible;
- he was told there was a long term plan (but then the owners bought even more players!);
- at a time when the squad couldn't fit in the dressing room (they had to build another one lol).

It would have taken a certain type of manager to make sense of that shit show. Probably someone with at least good CL experience.

Also - perhaps the greatest manager of his generation failed at Leeds. Clough.


Er no lol. I just like to look out for British managers seeing as how terrible they've been in the main. I was pro-Howe at B'mouth for the same reason.


Fair question and I can't know the ins and outs. Maybe:

- Chavs were paying his salalry all this time and
- he wanted a break
- also to study before going back (he's pretty academic too ofc)
- it was the biggest PL thing likely to be in the offing for the next year or so
- we're bigger but Levy pos took umbrage at being turned down before (conjecture ofc)

Also Cloughie - btween Leeds and Forest went to....Brighton lol.
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West Ham is a good way to guage if he really is the real deal tbh.
Swansea and Brighton are/were tiny. Chelsea probably too big of a leap.
West Ham aren't shy of spending money and seem to want to progress, so if he fails to do much there (top 8?) then maybe it is all bumph.

As I said (I thought) clearly - I was against him before AngeLOSS, but he'd now be a complete ray of sunshine by comparison.
 
Don Pedro said:
Anyone who thinks we are going for Southgate next hasn't a clue. It'll be an attacking manager. They'll stick to the project and hope that Ange laid some good attacking foundations.

Moving to a totally defensive coach like Southgate would be clueless and show we have no direction and are just making it up as we go a long. I'd totally give up on Tottenham if we went for Southgate. I'd be left with no choice but to wash my hands of it all
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And this would surprise you from Levy?? Who did we go for after Poch again?

We'll be scraping the barrel for a manager this summer. I'm not sure why so many people seem to think we're the amazing project that anyone would love to be part of. Remember Nuno.....what was he, 10th choice? We were a mockery in the media that summer, and we had a better squad/finished higher than we will this season.

Beggers can't be choosers, Levy will grab whoever he can get, regardless of tactical preferences. Then they'll get average players in to adapt the squad to the new system, and we'll be having this exact conversation again in 18 months time.

Recent history has shown that the only thing we excel in, is being clueless with no direction.
 
PerthPaul said:
And this would surprise you from Levy?? Who did we go for after Poch again?

We'll be scraping the barrel for a manager this summer. I'm not sure why so many people seem to think we're the amazing project that anyone would love to be part of. Remember Nuno.....what was he, 10th choice? We were a mockery in the media that summer, and we had a better squad/finished higher than we will this season.

Beggers can't be choosers, Levy will grab whoever he can get, regardless of tactical preferences. Then they'll get average players in to adapt the squad to the new system, and we'll be having this exact conversation again in 18 months time.

Recent history has shown that the only thing we excel in, is being clueless with no direction.
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All I'm saying is that if we bring in Southgate then I just totally give up on this club ever becoming a success. For me that would be the final straw.

Fair enough if some of you have already hit this wall. I still had hopes and dreams although I appreciate they were always unrealistic. Southgate would be the nail in the coffin for me
 
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