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just pulled a load of shit out his arse with that post.Nuno… it was 15 points from 10 games (5wins 5losses) not 18games and 26points as he claimed.
Then gets all aggro when rightly called out on the Conte bit.
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just pulled a load of shit out his arse with that post.Nuno… it was 15 points from 10 games (5wins 5losses) not 18games and 26points as he claimed.
Then gets all aggro when rightly called out on the Conte bit.
Yep. I always thought it fucking odd when he said "I never have a social chat with one of my players, I'd never sit and have a coffee with them and ask how's the family? I wouldn't know what to say"
Really fucking weird behaviour in 2025 when all the elite coaches are quite young and basically act like almost one of the playing group, compared to what the dinaosaur Ange is doing. Honestly, people say they don't think he's lost the dressing room, but for me I genuinely don't think the players are behind him.
They may not be in open revolt, but I don't think have any belief in him. Too many poor performances across too many games now.
I think we actually have quite an honest squad and a good group of lads and they are trying their best, but they are being thrown to the wolves by Ange's shit tactics and they are lacking that 10% that better managers than Ange get out of the squad.
The rot must be stopped before the consequences overwhelm the club.
The first step is sacking Ange, but the most mysterious part for me is how he wasn't sacked months ago?
The only logical and viable, but irrational reason Levy and the board must have are the cups, but our league form is too poor for a club of our stature.
Can't help myself. I truly have no idea why you've brought Levy into this discussion and continue to hammer on it. This is the problem with some of you - you've got tunnel vision and all you can see is #LevyOut.
The point made was that, really regardless of whatever you believe our PSR standing will be in 3 years time we will have significantly less spending capability due to Ange's disaster bottoming out into no-Europe and 12th or lower in the final table. It's really incontrovertibly true, unless you can point out how finishing 12th and not being in Europe somehow makes us money.
There's simply no way to mathematically reason that we would not be better off. You seem to be intent on discussing whether or not Levy takes advantage of PSR - beside the point. As I said multiple times, if Levy died today and Ange was sacked tomorrow - we'd still be dealing with the negative impacts of Ange's appointment 3 years from now.
On your topic, here's how Swiss Ramble puts it.
£53M profit is solely down to £101M profit on players sales, which doesn't give with reported fees so must be largely twisted by our getting a lump sum for Kane and having deferred payments for our incoming players I guess. Without that profit on player trading, it's a £47M loss.
In any event, that +£101M isn't replicateable.
So we have a big debt bubble coming in the accounts posted in June with the FY24/25 accounts reflecting no European football in 23-24 season and a net spend in player trading.
This season we'll have some European revenue again for the FY 25/26 accounts, but we'll have a heavy hit for a very low league finish. And, again, no profit on player sales (unless we sell off Romero and VDV and replace them with cheap signings - which we don't want obviously).
Then we'll have no European revenue from 25/26 season posting on the FY26/27, and, let's hope that there, again, won't be a big profit on player trading.
So in the 2027 PSR calculation we'll have (significant profit thanks to selling Kane), (significant loss), (significant loss). In theory we'd have some room to spend, still. But it will depend largely on what we do next season - can we qualify for the EL or CL with no major net spend on players this summer. Qualifying for the CL, financially, won't be a significant positive if it requires a loss on player trading that .ostly/completely offsets the future revenue.
Ange found us with no European football and then managed to earn us European football.
This season isn’t over yet. We still have 3 routes into Europe left to earn.
I had a bit of insight yesterday as the rain ran down my neck and Jaime Vardy took the piss out of us after making it 1-1.
I thought to myself can this get any worse?
And then it did 4 minutes later.
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He bites at interviewers constantly for fair questions and has confronted fans multiple times now.
Oh my god he finished 5th once with one game a fucking week and having gone out the cups after 5 minutes, all praise him
.It’s not like we finished out of Europe because it was a season where our coach had a meltdown and his assistant and then Mason got appointed. It’s not like we were 4th before that and are a regular top 6 club.
As soon as the heat turned up his season went to shit even last season, and he’s been truly abysmal this season. We are in danger of not staying in this league. 3 routes left in to Europe? Fucking hell..
Ange had half a good season and then spent the last year and a half reducing us to a bottom half team like the absolute fucking fraud he is. And you want to entrust him with the cups and the safety of our club because of what? A couple of good league cup results?
I can actually see that... Full English Carol and keep the coffee coming... then he does a couple of easy answers on the Sun crossword before disappearing to his private office for a power nap... sprinkle in a couple of pressies and then home for double pie and mash potato.
Hang on a minute.Can't help myself. I truly have no idea why you've brought Levy into this discussion and continue to hammer on it. This is the problem with some of you - you've got tunnel vision and all you can see is #LevyOut.
The point made was that, really regardless of whatever you believe our PSR standing will be in 3 years time we will have significantly less spending capability due to Ange's disaster bottoming out into no-Europe and 12th or lower in the final table. It's really incontrovertibly true, unless you can point out how finishing 12th and not being in Europe somehow makes us money.
There's simply no way to mathematically reason that we would not be better off. You seem to be intent on discussing whether or not Levy takes advantage of PSR - beside the point. As I said multiple times, if Levy died today and Ange was sacked tomorrow - we'd still be dealing with the negative impacts of Ange's appointment 3 years from now.
On your topic, here's how Swiss Ramble puts it.
£53M profit is solely down to £101M profit on players sales, which doesn't give with reported fees so must be largely twisted by our getting a lump sum for Kane and having deferred payments for our incoming players I guess. Without that profit on player trading, it's a £47M loss.
In any event, that +£101M isn't replicateable.
So we have a big debt bubble coming in the accounts posted in June with the FY24/25 accounts reflecting no European football in 23-24 season and a net spend in player trading.
This season we'll have some European revenue again for the FY 25/26 accounts, but we'll have a heavy hit for a very low league finish. And, again, no profit on player sales (unless we sell off Romero and VDV and replace them with cheap signings - which we don't want obviously).
Then we'll have no European revenue from 25/26 season posting on the FY26/27, and, let's hope that there, again, won't be a big profit on player trading.
So in the 2027 PSR calculation we'll have (significant profit thanks to selling Kane), (significant loss), (significant loss). In theory we'd have some room to spend, still. But it will depend largely on what we do next season - can we qualify for the EL or CL with no major net spend on players this summer. Qualifying for the CL, financially, won't be a significant positive if it requires a loss on player trading that .ostly/completely offsets the future revenue.
Swiss Ramble's numbers state that when making the proper adjustments for eligible PSR exemptions the figure for 2023/24 is a 53M profit. In a season in which we did not participate in European football.
And it is your contention that in 2024/25, when we've added the Europa League and a few very prominent domestic cup fixtures, further lowered the wage bill, and had a LOWER net spend on player trading than the prior year, that will go from 53M in profit to a SIGNIFICANT loss?
That....doesn't make any sense.
Selling Harry Kane was a very large intake of funds that's not repeatable, sure, at least not for one player. But because the 70M of previously committed obligations for Porro and Kulusevski were booked in that season, 23/24 was in fact the highest net spend in the history of the club.
A season in which we did not play European football and had the single most expensive transfer window in the history of the club netted out to a profit figure that was 88M clear of the annual PSR limit?
Like, could you have more convincingly proven the point I'm making here?
And do you see why these facts line up with Deloitte's numbers on wages/turnover ratio? The story is crystal clear here.
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That's not what I'm saying. I mean if we had a good coach in charge with a bit of European pedigree, we could have a crack at winning the Europa. But with Ange, I don't think we have any chance at winning it.
The only reason I can see that he's not had his marching orders yet, is because we are still in the cups. I've come to that conclusion because the Board have given him no support in this transfer window, when we are crying out for some reinforcements. Therefore the blame has to be on both Ange and the Board.
The only way I can see us avoiding the drop is that three other teams are worse than us, even then it'll be nail-biting stuff until the very end.
What a sorry situation we find ourselves in, an absolute disgrace that it has been allowed to come to pass.
The only way I can see us avoiding the drop is that three other teams are worse than us, even then it'll be nail-biting stuff until the very end.
What a sorry situation we find ourselves in, an absolute disgrace that it has been allowed to come to pass.
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Truth hurts - Levy and Ange both suck in their own ways and we’re now just a laughing stock rather than a serious football club.
Spursy - the only club with a (pejorative) adjective.
This video from today by SwissRamble guy, sides with you…
View: https://youtu.be/rDPUt4Xho5s?si=51zR5p_j29AAYKEi
Don’t forget the Vegemite mate!
Sigh. You're just going to continue on blabbering the point that we currently have abundant PSR headroom. No one ever fucking argued that.
Anyway, I'm not going to continue on. We're going to post a significant loss, after taking the allowable deductions, each of the next 2 summers and I'll bet you whatever you want within reason. You somehow think we're going to find money in a couch cushion somewhere, fine.
No one ever argued your tautology that losing revenue negatively impacts the PSR headroom either mate.
Honestly, in plain English, assuming the accuracy of that +53M number from the 23/24 season, where are the losses coming from?
We added European football, lowered net transfer fee spend, and it seems fair to infer lowered the wage bill.
Because we've only sold Harry Kane once, FFS. Do you think we get to sell him every summer?!
If we can, I agree, we should. That will definitely help increase revenue.
