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I am ok with playing boring football as long as we are winning

But playing boring football and not getting results is unacceptable

Thank god we have ENIC/Levy that seems to be recognizing the problem and fixing things - what would we do without their guidance and leadership?
 
Gmspurs said:
If were going to go for it (Europa or Conference) and take it seriously, then I want to be in all competitions.

If we're not, or the players just go into it half heartedly like they seem to have for almost all the cup competitions this season, then it almost seems like what's the point in even qualifying.

This group of players should be desperate for success, but for some reason or another, their performances in the cups, don't really reflect it.
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The core of our squad (Kane, Son, Lloris, Dier, Davies etc) "grew up" around when both Poch and Levy put major focus on the league and later the CL as the two competitions that mattered. So those players have probably been spoonfed that message for years. "We'll take a FA cup if we end up in the final, but our goal is to win the league and the CL" was probably repeated ad naseum when those players broke through. And then that mentality trickles down to the rest.
 
if we do find ourselves in this conference league, then surely we have to put effort in to win it. The only way you build momentum for a winning mentality is by participating in any competition you find yourself in during the season.... and winning it.

Okay the ropey conference league isn't as glamorous as other comps, I get that, but I would love to see us lift a trophy that hasn't got anything to do with a pony pre season tournament (ie. Audi cup).

Just my opinion.
 
LukeyRix said:
if we do find ourselves in this conference league, then surely we have to put effort in to win it. The only way you build momentum for a winning mentality is by participating in any competition you find yourself in during the season.... and winning it.

Okay the ropey conference league isn't as glamorous as other comps, I get that, but I would love to see us lift a trophy that hasn't got anything to do with a pony pre season tournament (ie. Audi cup).

Just my opinion.
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Yea, we are not in a position to complain... we have no silverware for nearly 20 years.... anything will do at this point.
 
Growing up this club always won trophies, granted rarely the biggest but trophies none the less.

I feel sorry for the younger generation who have been gaslit over a number of years by Sky TV into thinking that the domestic trophies are pointless and top four is the be all and end all.

The whole "Spursy" thing is to do with us never winning anything.

We are long overdue a cup.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Growing up this club always won trophies, granted rarely the biggest but trophies none the less.

I feel sorry for the younger generation who have been gaslit over a number of years by Sky TV into thinking that the domestic trophies are pointless and top four is the be all and end all.

The whole "Spursy" thing is to do with us never winning anything.

We are long overdue a cup.
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Right now we are overdue a win anywhere
 
Better question is should we expect to win trophies or are we exactly where we should be around 3-5th place?

Take into account how we run our club compared to our competitors, I think we are where we should be in the league.

That doesn't excuse the fact we keep playing weakened teams in the cup competitions and losing. Had we played our best available 11 in the cup fixtures over the past 10 years then probability wise I think we would have won a cup or 2 in that period. But not much more than that.

We get ridiculed for being the team that broke the sky 4. Just cos we have shiny stadium and new training ground doesn't mean we should automatically be winning cups. We happen to have 2 elite strikers, but the rest of the team isn't capable of winning the major honours. Our wage to turnover ratio is much lower than our supposed direct competitors so why should we be expected to compete at their level? Now we are competing against 2 Arab states, a previously run Russian Mafia operation, 2 of the largest clubs historically and Woolwich who have struggled league wise since Wenger but managed to collect 3 fa cups because they went strong with their line ups in those games. I think that's the biggest mistake we've made. Not taking the cups seriously because Levy has made top 4 the ultimate target.
 
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deadleyledley said:
Better question is should we expect to win trophies or are we exactly where we should be around 3-5th place?

Take into account how we run our club compared to our competitors, I think we are where we should be in the league.
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You know we are going to finish 7th or 8th ? Nowhere near 3rd place. Probably closer to 10th than 3rd in terms of points I expect.

And more than likely closer to relegation than 1st.

Exactly where we should be…. Not sure all will agree with that. There is a feeling we should be winning trophies regularly and see ourselves above the Europa Conference league.
 
BernardMatthews said:
You know we are going to finish 7th or 8th ? Nowhere near 3rd place. Probably closer to 10th than 3rd in terms of points I expect.

And more than likely closer to relegation than 1st.

Exactly where we should be…. Not sure all will agree with that. There is a feeling we should be winning trophies regularly and see ourselves above the Europa Conference league.
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This season was a clusterfuck.

Our recent seasons have averaged around 3-5th is what I'm saying.
 
Raf said:
It's a result of social media amplifying football banter to the point that it's the only thing people care about now.

Not only is it sad to care about what a bunch of losers on twitter say, but to think that they'll actually give us respect is fucking stupid.
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we are such a banter club. Levy has made us a joke.

thats what i find so painful. My glorious club. We are a joke team. Its so sad. Yoot dem that are under 45 think we are someone. I have friends on the continent that remember us. But that was 40 years ago.

what a shame. We’re nothing.

and we had the chance. One of the richest football clubs in history. And nothing to show for it.
 
Winning a trophy serves a few purposes:

1. It makes fans proud of the club
2. It lifts the club's reputation, allowing them to attract better players
3. Increase in club revenues (prize money, commercial exposure)
4. Success leads to success - a happy in form team improves

The THFC board have reached a balance. Being able to produce elite world class players (Bale, Kane, Dele, Eriksen, Son, Modric, Lloris), and brining in world class coaches (Mourinho, Conte) has certainly hit the spot on each of the above points and papered over the cracks.

However, the fans and players have grown tired without success on the pitch. (1,4) have fallen away. (2, 3) will drop off without Champs League. And without a top coach and Lloris / Kane likely leaving in the summer we are spiralling downwards.

The club has invested heavily in players. 600m spent on the squad in 4 years. Yet where do we turn for success on the pitch? - Son, Kane, Lloris and Dier. An utterly disastrous 5 years of management and spending - where the board chose to throw money and try to buy success - brining in coaches and players whom feel Spurs is below them and don't want to be here.

The solution isn't to continue throwing money at the problem. It is to get back to basics, coach the players we have and get some identity and personality back in the dressing room.
 
Any European competition is better then none in my opinion. I get why some might want to finish 8th but We got knocked out of the last ECL. Clearly it’s not a walk in the park. We should aim to win a trophy of any sort. What kind of mentality is it to not qualify for Europe?
 
BernardMatthews said:
Exactly where we should be…. Not sure all will agree with that. There is a feeling we should be winning trophies regularly and see ourselves above the Europa Conference league.
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Trying our hardest to win trophies. Believing we can win trophies. Going into those games intent on winning at all costs. Levy and the board demanding the win (instead of saying top 4's ok and winning is hard blah blah). That's what I ask for.

If we falter because city decide to bring their A game, so be it. But give it everything. We simply do not do that, which is why teams like Sheffield reserves and European farmers bend us over on tv. That shouldn't happen.
 
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