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Transfers January Transfer Thread 24/25

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Our problem with Berbatov and Keane is both wanted to leave and neither ManU or Liverpool wanted to pay much for them so it got dragged out to end of window (not our choice), so, as you say we reinvested in January (including re-signing Keane if I recall right as his move to his 'boyhood club' didn't work out so we resigned at a slight discount to his price to Liverpool).

BTW I think ManU and Liverpool mainly wanted the players as Spurs, with those 2 attackers' wre a big threat to them. So their buying tactics were designed to disrupt Spurs as much as possible, hence the very late deal for Berbatov for £30m was , despite ManU's moans, a low price for a very good striker. However he never thrived at ManU as he didn't fit their side ...... one of the results of the buying being a disruption tactic rather than actually identifying and buying the best striker for their side.
£32m for Berbatov at the time was big money, bear in mind we only got £32m for Modric several years later, and that was after the Kaka and Ronaldo sales that began to warp perceived value of transfer fees, Berbatov moved before that when the record fee was still around £56m for Zidane. Also think you're going a bit tin-foil hat with the assumption that Liverpool and (especially) United at that time were buying off us specifically to weaken us, suspect their reasons were far more in line with what our own would be if we were targetting a promising player at a perceived smaller club that we were confident of luring; they're proven in your league and you can be relatively certain they will hit the ground running. Of course one could argue neither Keane nor Berbatov necessarily proved that perceived logic to be true, but they wouldn't be the first or last to confound that logic.
 
I'm shocked this is the way we're choosing to spend 50m, but Son has been in heavy decline so it probably makes sense in that regard.

Stinks of falling over at the last hurdle though, also the conspiracy theorist in me says this seems like it's rapidly gaining momentum as we're about to play, is the Spurs side of things trying to put out reports that it's almost done so the fans aren't as hard on Levy tonight, only for it to fall over hours later?
 
Surely we'd need to know by the morning latest if its a goer in order to get the sufficient time needed to get alternative plates spinning through the door.

I'm pretty sure we have plenty of plates spinning right now.

But always good to get one to land 'butter side up' (mixed metaphor etc) asap and move onto a 2nd player if that's the plan........ and any player registered before Friday 12.00 is eligible to play v Brentford being an extra 'jam on top'
 
You specifically mentioned Arse and Chavs.........

Arse: See prev. re Watkins bid.
Chavs not spending: I'll believe it when I see it.
I mean I did specifically say I could see Woolwich finding the PSR room, they haven't spent as prolifically as Chavs or Utd although the Rice deal coupled with the various reinforcements Arteta have brought in to support his league tilts have clearly pushed them much closer. The cynic in me says this could just be Woolwich taking a leaf out of Levy's "we tried" book to pacify their fanbase...
Let's see if they actually end up with anyone.
 
Do you have any of him doing the skywalk just to be sure?
Of course I do or I wouldn’t be ITK would I! Now pay the bloody money!!! :ange-arms:
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Maybe, depends what kind of offers were out there on Watkins.

The point on the Duran deal is that they cashed in at full value, if not a little moreso.

Those are opportunities it is extremely valuable for clubs to take, even the very richest and strongest ones. That allows them to be active in the recruitment market and climb the ladder of squad value.

Players are not durable assets, not even 21 year olds. If you get an offer for more than their value you are missing an opportunity by not taking it.

The Levy method of making deals impossible in both directions was a failed strategy.

There is a number for which every player in our squad ought to be let go. If Real Madrid will give us a huge bag for Romero we should take it, to use a publicized example.

If one player is irreplaceable in your strategy you have a bad strategy.

Its very likely Villa are doing the deals for FFP/PSR reasons

1. Duran is sold, and being an player from their academy, 100% of sales monies is profit. And its booked as profit and improves Villa's FFP/PSR position in that year.

2. Any player purchase they make - say for £50m and payments spread over 5 years - is booked for FFP?PSR as a cost over the payment period, in this case £10m for next 5 years.

Its a big help to Villa, whose ffp/psr position is very bad as they are paying over 90% of their revenues out as player wages (probably highest in PL this season), so these deals are key to Villa being able to avoid ffp/psr sanctions.
 
Its very likely Villa are doing the deals for FFP/PSR reasons

1. Duran is sold, and being an player from their academy, 100% of sales monies is profit. And its booked as profit and improves Villa's FFP/PSR position in that year.

2. Any player purchase they make - say for £50m and payments spread over 5 years - is booked for FFP?PSR as a cost over the payment period, in this case £10m for next 5 years.

Its a big help to Villa, whose ffp/psr position is very bad as they are paying over 90% of their revenues out as player wages (probably highest in PL this season), so these deals are key to Villa being able to avoid ffp/psr sanctions.
Duran is not an academy player, he joined them from the MLS in summer 2023.
 
Its very likely Villa are doing the deals for FFP/PSR reasons

1. Duran is sold, and being an player from their academy, 100% of sales monies is profit. And its booked as profit and improves Villa's FFP/PSR position in that year.

2. Any player purchase they make - say for £50m and payments spread over 5 years - is booked for FFP?PSR as a cost over the payment period, in this case £10m for next 5 years.

Its a big help to Villa, whose ffp/psr position is very bad as they are paying over 90% of their revenues out as player wages (probably highest in PL this season), so these deals are key to Villa being able to avoid ffp/psr sanctions.
Excuse me sir, Duran is not an academy player, he was purchased from the mighty Chicago Fire who collected 10% of this fee to make Duran the richest transfer ever from MLS. ($30.8M plus 10% of any add-ons earned in Saudi, I'm reading)

But to the substance of your point, selling at full value representing an opportunity to open scope for other investment is true and essential for EVERY club today, not just plucky up-and-comers. Manchester City also does this, because they are intelligently run.
 
£32m for Berbatov at the time was big money, bear in mind we only got £32m for Modric several years later, and that was after the Kaka and Ronaldo sales that began to warp perceived value of transfer fees, Berbatov moved before that when the record fee was still around £56m for Zidane. Also think you're going a bit tin-foil hat with the assumption that Liverpool and (especially) United at that time were buying off us specifically to weaken us, suspect their reasons were far more in line with what our own would be if we were targetting a promising player at a perceived smaller club that we were confident of luring; they're proven in your league and you can be relatively certain they will hit the ground running. Of course one could argue neither Keane nor Berbatov necessarily proved that perceived logic to be true, but they wouldn't be the first or last to confound that logic.

Liverpool bought Keane for £xm but 6 months later sold him back for less than £Xm - reason is they didn't really want him, but did want to weaken Spurs.

Berbatov was certainly worth a lot more than £30m - at least to Spurs. But player power means if a player is adamant he wants to leave, better to allow him to leave rather than sulk........... But curiously I think he (or his agent) was 'hoodwinked' by ManU into leaving - its noteworthy he was a guest of honour at the last match at WHL and one of first matches at new stadium,, suggesting he hsad an affinity to Spurs, Don;t think he's gone back to ManU though !

So I think OP is correct
 
His agent is basically saying another other club like man united offer the money spurs have. We can start talking wages. He's waiting for offers and U can guarantee we ain't getting him. Garnacho money will pay for him. And them down the road have money to spend
 
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