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Transfers January Transfer Thread 24/25

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Spursidol said:
ok but they still make a healthy profit on him - which is booked in one year.

Whereas player purchases spread over the payment period

So the key points of OP remain, just details change
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That's a very valuable maneuver to get out of a PSR crisis in a pinch (see: Conor Gallagher to Atleti), but just for the record, clubs don't HAVE to book an outgoing transfer all at once if they don't want to.

Incoming money hitting the books in future years is a security blanket. Spurs, for instance, should be doing that to the extent we can since our PSR books are so clean today.

It's a highly manipulable process, but at the end of the day what you cannot do is what City and Chelsea did to brute force their way to the top over a many-year period. Newcastle can't do that, which is good.
 
Spursidol said:
Liverpool bought Keane for £xm but 6 months later sold him back for less than £Xm - reason is they didn't really want him, but did want to weaken Spurs.

Berbatov was certainly worth a lot more than £30m - at least to Spurs. But player power means if a player is adamant he wants to leave, better to allow him to leave rather than sulk........... But curiously I think he (or his agent) was 'hoodwinked' by ManU into leaving - its noteworthy he was a guest of honour at the last match at WHL and one of first matches at new stadium,, suggesting he hsad an affinity to Spurs, Don;t think he's gone back to ManU though !

So I think OP is correct
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I'm not quite sure I can believe what I'm reading... Keane was bought for £20m and sold back for £12m, not to mention Liverpool had no way of knowing when they bought Keane that we would want to buy him back. The only reason they got away with what would have been an even more substantial loss on Keane is that we fucked up replacing him and all parties wanted the move, Keane wanted to come back, Spurs never wanted him to leave and Liverpool were keen to minimise their losses. Are you aware that Keane was Liverpool's record signing when they bought him?

I'm convinced people either weren't around or are too far removed from the 00s PL era to retrospectively understand transfer fees from that era, because people are calling £32m for Berbatov a "low fee" and ignoring completely that Torres who was a much better player than Berbatov at their respective primes went to Chelsea for £50m 3 years later, and again, that was after the summer where Real bought Ronaldo and Kaka, and after City had begun throwing monopoly money around. Aguero actually is another good example, went to City for £32m, is anyone going to seriously try and argue that Berbatov was worth more than Aguero??
 
FightingIllini said:
That's a very valuable maneuver to get out of a PSR crisis in a pinch (see: Conor Gallagher to Atleti), but just for the record, clubs don't HAVE to book an outgoing transfer all at once if they don't want to.

Incoming money hitting the books in future years is a security blanket. Spurs, for instance, should be doing that to the extent we can since our PSR books are so clean today.

It's a highly manipulable process, but at the end of the day what you cannot do is what City and Chelsea did to brute force their way to the top over a many-year period. Newcastle can't do that, which is good.
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Its a very essential trick to pull to get out of FFP/PSR trouble if a club needs to - and Villa do need to do so.

Agreed it can only put off ffp/psr issues so far but I think Villa are gambling on getting enough CL money to help them out of trouble for another year
 
Brian Fantana said:
Probed? That has to be a new one. I love a good probe!
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FightingIllini said:
And especially in this moment, the process by which the club decides a player is someone they really need is strange and inscrutable and far too rare, but it does happen and when it happens we pay up and make the deal with a lot less fuss than we used to.
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If I’m honest, the club is annoying for its inaction and wage cutting but recently, when they’ve got into a public deal like this, they’ve got it done.
There’s a chance we don’t get this done but right now there’s a higher chance we do.

No shame in being positive about our chances but at the same time frustrated how the window went so far.
 
Richard Arlison said:
If I’m honest, the club is annoying for its inaction and wage cutting but recently, when they’ve got into a public deal like this, they’ve got it done.
There’s a chance we don’t get this done but right now there’s a higher chance we do.

No shame in being positive about our chances but at the same time frustrated how the window went so far.
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I will give you that... in the Summer window. The last instance I can remember a situation close to this was Diaz. Before that was Dybala in Jan.
One can hope this is more in line with Kulu/Bentancur but we had a free run at them.
 
Spaniel said:
I was about to ask the same thing....'cause if he's an ange pick, I'm worried..
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I thought we'd put this one to bed.

As I understand it, players are picked based on the data led approach. They're then scouted and, if deemed right, are then pursued. AP might have final sign off, but I don't think any of our players are "Ange picks."

I believe the club is buying players based on the style of Football we want to play, and the Managers are selected for the same reasons, rather than buying players to suit whatever manager happens to be incumbent at the time.

I could be wrong here, but that was my understanding of the process we are now following.
 
Mostly wrong said:
I'm not quite sure I can believe what I'm reading... Keane was bought for £20m and sold back for £12m, not to mention Liverpool had no way of knowing when they bought Keane that we would want to buy him back. The only reason they got away with what would have been an even more substantial loss on Keane is that we fucked up replacing him and all parties wanted the move, Keane wanted to come back, Spurs never wanted him to leave and Liverpool were keen to minimise their losses. Are you aware that Keane was Liverpool's record signing when they bought him?

I'm convinced people either weren't around or are too far removed from the 00s PL era to retrospectively understand transfer fees from that era, because people are calling £32m for Berbatov a "low fee" and ignoring completely that Torres who was a much better player than Berbatov at their respective primes went to Chelsea for £50m 3 years later, and again, that was after the summer where Real bought Ronaldo and Kaka, and after City had begun throwing monopoly money around. Aguero actually is another good example, went to City for £32m, is anyone going to seriously try and argue that Berbatov was worth more than Aguero??
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Keane was bought by Liverpool at one price but offloaded 6 months later as the player didn't work out and Spurs did well out of that.

I very much doubt if the Keane resale was expected when he went to Liverpool, and never said it was.

But the fact Keane flopped and didn't play that much at Liverpool ...... is totally consistent with Liverpool buying him being to disrupt Spurs rather than them wanting the player. When Spurs didn't fall apart and Liverpool didn't want the player any more ....... Spurs happy to take him back at a discount.

I clearly think a lot more of Berbatov as a player than you do, so I don't agree with your idea of valuation. No surprise, lots of fans disagree with player valuations.


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Richard Arlison said:
Yeah Diaz is the last one but that never got this far. We never agreed the deal with Porto iirc? Liverpool came in almost as soon as we started talking to them. And they had really been chasing him a lot longer
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Pretty sure in that instance Liverpool let us work out the terms with Porto and then told them we'd match their offer, once it came down to a choice it was out of our hands, he was never going to pick us over them.
That's why I fear the same happening here, Woolwich/Utd just waiting for us to figure out the right price for them before they tell Bayern they'll match it.
 
Ionman34 said:
I thought we'd put this one to bed.

As I understand it, players are picked based on the data led approach. They're then scouted and, if deemed right, are then pursued. AP might have final sign off, but I don't think any of our players are "Ange picks."

I believe the club is buying players based on the style of Football we want to play, and the Managers are selected for the same reasons, rather than buying players to suit whatever manager happens to be incumbent at the time.

I could be wrong here, but that was my understanding of the process we are now following.
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Ange has also said he makes the final call on any transfer.

Love him or hate him, it's not in Ange's nature to be at odds with the club's transfer strategy, which has been oriented around the basic principles of youth, technical quality in possession and attacking mentality as he would want anyway.

"The good signings get credited to this guy, the bad signings were the fault of this other guy" was always shitty, ignorant, misguided discourse around here.

(Except with respect to Steve Hitchen being the most unqualified incompetent idiot ENIC have ever employed, of course)
 
Ionman34 said:
I thought we'd put this one to bed.

As I understand it, players are picked based on the data led approach. They're then scouted and, if deemed right, are then pursued. AP might have final sign off, but I don't think any of our players are "Ange picks."

I believe the club is buying players based on the style of Football we want to play, and the Managers are selected for the same reasons, rather than buying players to suit whatever manager happens to be incumbent at the time.

I could be wrong here, but that was my understanding of the process we are now following.
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Bloody silly process..
 
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