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Management Ange Postecoglou

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ShutUpPatrik said:
A head coach not being super involved in day to day training in and of itself is not that unusual. Pochettino, Mourinho and Ferguson are all known to take this approach.

The difference being that they all have long established coaching staffs that know their boss' tactics and system and how to implement it. So the manager can focus on planning for the next game and evaluating training rather than leading it.
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I was saying this to my dad yesterday. How all these super-coaches have very close knit coaching staff that know exactly what they want and need.
Ange just drifts from one club to the next on his own.
Worth noting he's had 11 jobs in 29 years. The longest stints were at international level where nothing happens for months at a time.
His stint at the amazing Whittlesea Zebra's yielded a 12.5% win ratio.

And still people take his career seriously.
 
Murphy said:
Mate, I’ve seen countless videos with Poch and Jose on the training pitch. Conte too.

The calibre of our coaching staff (and clearly the loss of Chris Davies) is one of many of the problems that are now all culminating at the same time.

If he’s not hands on, he certainly has to now. In any managerial job, where the shit hits the fan you have to get stuck in.
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Oh I never meant to imply that Poch or Jose weren't involved in training. But they also had periods were they handed it off to the assistants.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Yes, until some point he did.
And it also worked. I even had no problems letting Galatasaray game slide. It was not a good performance, but to me it was OK. Cause he went with rotated side and gave some youth chance.

But like with very many working solutions, Ange decided to drop that take a different route.
Of crippling the same XI.

What a genius move. Weird he now rants about it, like it was not intentional.
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ange is for ange. once he got on the ropes he stopped rotating and started rushing starters back from injury
 
Matt1882 said:
No chance.
They're just ignorantly unaware as to how bad things really are. They've bought the injury excuse hook line and sinker. They're as delusional as some of the posters on here.
Which terrifies me. Because if that's true, they'll probably throw another £100m at him in the summer and it'll all happen the same way again.
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The only certainty is I am sick of the current situation. Absolutely insufferable.
 
if i were ange i would put a female in the starting line pl:)us a female coach on the beanch
with all the esg rating he will never be put in bad light
 
daveyboy88 said:
liverpool played a weak midfield against plymouth and despite having diaz whos probably the best forward in the league right now, they looked pretty average didnt they. you need big players in the midfield its as simple as that, you also need a system that keeps the big boys in the actual midfield so they can have a huge say in the result of the game! theres a reason rodri never really leaves that heart of the pitch.
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Liverpool losing to Plymouth, whilst big news and a big, big upset, is an isolated event for them.
Nobody saw it coming and it took a penalty and stout defending to win against them.
Liverpool were on top by almost every possible metric. But they had one of those days, away to a team that showed up.

We on the other hand, expect to lose every fucking match now. Every game. We were damn well lucky not to lose in the 90 minutes to non league Tamworth.
It took two very late goals to win against Coventry.
We lost to Palace, Ipswich and Leicester. 2 of them at home!

We lose so much more often than we win.
 
Matt1882 said:
I was saying this to my dad yesterday. How all these super-coaches have very close knit coaching staff that know exactly what they want and need.
Ange just drifts from one club to the next on his own.
Worth noting he's had 11 jobs in 29 years. The longest stints were at international level where nothing happens for months at a time.
His stint at the amazing Whittlesea Zebra's yielded a 12.5% win ratio.

And still people take his career seriously.
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I've posted before, but his career stats are absolutely mediocre. He's living off vibes.

His Australia NT win ratio (45%) was lower than the permanent managers either side of him (52%, 57%). He had basically the same success at Celtic as Neil Lennon and Brendan Rodgers. All the others are in Leagues ranked lower than the Championship, and even then he hardly ever broke a 50% win rate.
 
Matt1882 said:
Liverpool losing to Plymouth, whilst big news and a big, big upset, is an isolated event for them.
Nobody saw it coming and it took a penalty and stout defending to win against them.
Liverpool were on top by almost every possible metric. But they had one of those days, away to a team that showed up.

We on the other hand, expect to lose every fucking match now. Every game. We were damn well lucky not to lose in the 90 minutes to non league Tamworth.
It took two very late goals to win against Coventry.
We lost to Palace, Ipswich and Leicester. 2 of them at home!

We lose so much more often than we win.
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it is an isolated event, but if they started a proper midfield they dont lose that game.

point is the midfield will always be the most important position in a football team, our idiot clearly doesnt understand that. his genuis idea is to have fucking defenders acting as playmakers....the blokes a fucking retard.
 
Silvio Dante said:
I've posted before, but his career stats are absolutely mediocre. He's living off vibes.

His Australia NT win ratio (45%) was lower than the permanent managers either side of him (52%, 57%). He had basically the same success at Celtic as Neil Lennon and Brendan Rodgers. All the others are in Leagues ranked lower than the Championship, and even then he hardly ever broke a 50% win rate.
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The fact I've heard this argument from Aussie fans and Celtic fans in that they got thrashed by better teams "but we played really well"

So?
Celtic got thrashed 5-1 by Real Madrid. And they were happy because they had a go?
Maybe if they had less of a go, it would have only been 1-0, and from a confidence point of view, 1-0 is better than 5-1
And GD.
And optics.

The guy has literally hypnotized people and created a false belief that "playing well" is what matters when you get beat left right and centre.
 
Deuterz said:
When we were playing once a week, Ange was saying we weren't playing enough to get in to our rhythm. Now we're playing twice a week (with the 'tough' games being against rangers or bloody hoffenheim!) its a huge problem as well.

Almost like for his football to work it requires very specific conditions and any sort of issue causes the team to be completely destabilised.
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I mean I keep hearing this pathetic excuse that "Oh if this is back or that returns".

To which I'd answer - "Oh yea, like last year? You know when we played Newcastle, City, Woolwich, Liverpool in a row. In 2 of these games out defense was Udogie-VDV-Romero-Porro, and in other 2 games 3 out of 4 were starting too..."
Lost all of those, conceded 13 in the process...
What a brilliant turnaround!
 
daveyboy88 said:
it is an isolated event, but if they started a proper midfield they dont lose that game.

point is the midfield will always be the most important position in a football team, our idiot clearly doesnt understand that. his genuis idea is to have fucking defenders acting as playmakers....the blokes a fucking retard.
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We don't really a have a midfield or defence. It's all based on trying to dominate and outscore the opponents.
The idea that anyone might be as good as , if not better than us, and that we might need to win the ball back in our own 3rd is beyond him.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Yes, until some point he did.
And it also worked. I even had no problems letting Galatasaray game slide. It was not a good performance, but to me it was OK. Cause he went with rotated side and gave some youth chance.

But like with very many working solutions, Ange decided to drop that take a different route.
Of crippling the same XI.

What a genius move. Weird he now rants about it, like it was not intentional.
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When did he do that?

btw I'm not saying his mistakes mean he shouldn't lose his job btw but let's get it straight about what was and wasn't a mistake because rotation certainly wasn't one of them.
 
Silvio Dante said:
I've posted before, but his career stats are absolutely mediocre. He's living off vibes.

His Australia NT win ratio (45%) was lower than the permanent managers either side of him (52%, 57%). He had basically the same success at Celtic as Neil Lennon and Brendan Rodgers. All the others are in Leagues ranked lower than the Championship, and even then he hardly ever broke a 50% win rate.
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Said it before, its like an elaborate con job. Staggering but not surprising that his career wasnt examined more closely. Why wasnt he questioned about his lack of coaching team? This is why its not just him that needs to lose his job over this. The lack of due diligence once again is off the scale.
 
Dudski said:
I think you're right. What does Levy get from firing Postecoglou now? I think he's ignoring the problem and running out the clock. The fans still appear to not want a change by about a 2-1 margin. So, looks like another season for Postecoglou.
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Apparently the away fans sang the Poch song at Villa...

That will be his death knell if it gets louder at home. Levy hates being reminded of his mistakes with Poch.
 
Matt1882 said:
The fact I've heard this argument from Aussie fans and Celtic fans in that they got thrashed by better teams "but we played really well"

So?
Celtic got thrashed 5-1 by Real Madrid. And they were happy because they had a go?
Maybe if they had less of a go, it would have only been 1-0, and from a confidence point of view, 1-0 is better than 5-1
And GD.
And optics.

The guy has literally hypnotized people and created a false belief that "playing well" is what matters when you get beat left right and centre.
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And to top it all off we're not even doing that, and haven't for what feels like a very long time...
 
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