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Management So (hypothetically) who replaces Ange then?
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No, he’s doing great, but I don’t want to shift to three at the back again.
Yeah that's why I said no chance to that, levy won't go back to a mourhino/conte type
He'll go for another attacking option . Might not even be one of the favorites, could be another left field choice again down to their data recruitment
When I read that list at the top of the page it makes grim reading. It is one of the the reasons I have only just moved over to the 'Ange out' group. When I see that list I don't see any of them I am convinced would do a better job. It's going to be another shot in the dark whoever we get. I see there has been a lot of votes for Iraola. He's as good as any I suppose. Scott Parker - if you want a better defence?
I wouldn't turn him down, as an interim, but I think it's extremely unlikely any external candidate would come in at this stage without at least a guaranteed opportunity of getting the job next season.
Would probably have to put a clause in that automatically extends the contract 25 months if we qualify for the EL final.
There's a dozen posters on this forum I am convinced would do a better job. Several on that list are doing a better job with worse players right now in the same league!
This isn't AVB, Sherwood, or Nuno we're talking about. Ange is a charlatan. I'm not sure anyone less fit for the job has ever been employed at a top 10 richest club in the world in the history of football.
And I don't think that's the dramatic statement it sounds like.
I wanted Glasner like 3 damn seasons ago when he was at Wolfsburg.
Not having that Iraola let a 2-0 lead slip and is therefore somehow not reliable as a coach.
All season long we’ve had to listen to people defending Ange “oh it’s the injuries”, “oh last season we didn’t have enough games to build cohesion” “oh this season we have too many games” “when we get our players back we’ll be great” “oh they’re back but they need time” there’s always going to be something isn’t there.
The bloke himself is now blaming pitches and atmospheres, he isn’t good enough. He wants everyone to believe he’s some footballing philosopher, that he’s got this gods own way of playing when in reality he can’t set a team up to defend to save his life, and he’s absolutely tactically impotent
So the idea that Iraola, a man who’s got his team where he has, with a pittance compared to what Ange has had, including selling one of last seasons best players directly to Ange, isn’t good enough because he let a two goal lead slip is nonsense.
The point yesterday was that if Kepa stayed on his line, we don’t score. Sarrs goal was a mid hit cross, and god knows what Kepa is doing for the second. We deserved Sod all yesterday. Iraola set his team up better, motivated them better and controlled the flow of the game. He also coached throughout, whilst Ange, as ever stood with his arms crossed and shook his head a bit because his players can’t handle this absolutely moronic under 12’s system he plays.
Bournemouth should have been leading after twenty seconds, they could have been three up by half time, Vicario saved us numerous times. Bergvall hit the post at a point when the game should have been about 4-0. He was one of the only bright sparks for us yesterday.
Kepa stays on his line, that game ends 2-0.
What I would say is I’d fancy Iraola to head home and work on fixing that next game, Ange will go home, cough, look at his socks, then serve up the same moronic shit next week.
All season long we’ve had to listen to people defending Ange “oh it’s the injuries”, “oh last season we didn’t have enough games to build cohesion” “oh this season we have too many games” “when we get our players back we’ll be great” “oh they’re back but they need time” there’s always going to be something isn’t there.
The bloke himself is now blaming pitches and atmospheres, he isn’t good enough. He wants everyone to believe he’s some footballing philosopher, that he’s got this gods own way of playing when in reality he can’t set a team up to defend to save his life, and he’s absolutely tactically impotent
So the idea that Iraola, a man who’s got his team where he has, with a pittance compared to what Ange has had, including selling one of last seasons best players directly to Ange, isn’t good enough because he let a two goal lead slip is nonsense.
The point yesterday was that if Kepa stayed on his line, we don’t score. Sarrs goal was a mid hit cross, and god knows what Kepa is doing for the second. We deserved Sod all yesterday. Iraola set his team up better, motivated them better and controlled the flow of the game. He also coached throughout, whilst Ange, as ever stood with his arms crossed and shook his head a bit because his players can’t handle this absolutely moronic under 12’s system he plays.
Bournemouth should have been leading after twenty seconds, they could have been three up by half time, Vicario saved us numerous times. Bergvall hit the post at a point when the game should have been about 4-0. He was one of the only bright sparks for us yesterday.
Kepa stays on his line, that game ends 2-0.
What I would say is I’d fancy Iraola to head home and work on fixing that next game, Ange will go home, cough, look at his socks, then serve up the same moronic shit next week.
Fascinating insight on Monday night football from Russell Martin.
Fair play to him for coming on the TV and answering questions about his style of play and criticisms he had.
I think it's particularly fascinating as he has a similar ideology to Ange. Very persistent in the way he plays but the breakdown of some of the play from out game yesterday showed how poor the notion of playing out from the back is all the time. He himself said in his next job he'd go more direct but still wants a mainly possession style. He also said he wants his team to foul more and foul earlier when turning the ball over, which goes under the radar.
For a long time city and Liverpool have been the masters of tactical fouling and they get away with it as a big team. Soon as Southampton try to do similar refs penalise them more harshly.
Interested also when analysing our clips from yesterday of us playing out the back the subtle nuances of the errors that players make on the pitch. Romero closing off his body shape when receiving the ball. Johnson not coming short to offer and option. Porro not going early enough to make a double pivot in the middle. They analysed some clips from his time at Southampton where KWP as a full back was going in to the middle to play double pivot but the goalkeeper playing a shit ball. Numerous times yesterday Vicario played some awful passes. Either to a player under pressure or behind the player or to a player not ready to receive. Worst of all was his insistence to get the game going from a gk when the team wasn't set yet to play out. They analysed this in motd2.
Fair play to him for coming on the TV and answering questions about his style of play and criticisms he had.
I think it's particularly fascinating as he has a similar ideology to Ange. Very persistent in the way he plays but the breakdown of some of the play from out game yesterday showed how poor the notion of playing out from the back is all the time. He himself said in his next job he'd go more direct but still wants a mainly possession style. He also said he wants his team to foul more and foul earlier when turning the ball over, which goes under the radar.
For a long time city and Liverpool have been the masters of tactical fouling and they get away with it as a big team. Soon as Southampton try to do similar refs penalise them more harshly.
Interested also when analysing our clips from yesterday of us playing out the back the subtle nuances of the errors that players make on the pitch. Romero closing off his body shape when receiving the ball. Johnson not coming short to offer and option. Porro not going early enough to make a double pivot in the middle. They analysed some clips from his time at Southampton where KWP as a full back was going in to the middle to play double pivot but the goalkeeper playing a shit ball. Numerous times yesterday Vicario played some awful passes. Either to a player under pressure or behind the player or to a player not ready to receive. Worst of all was his insistence to get the game going from a gk when the team wasn't set yet to play out. They analysed this in motd2.
I agree with this 10000000%
There's way too much emotion and reaction from some of the posters on here.
Iraola has set up a very solid team at Bournemouth, tactically they can go toe to toe with anyone in the league, their system of coaching is very strong and their recruitment is excellent. The next stage for them is possibly the hardest, spending big money to bring in individual brilliance that makes the difference in big games.
To say he's not good enough for Spurs because of a misplaced cross that caught the keeper out, and a penalty, is ludicrous.
We could have, and probably should have lost that game 4-0.
He's exactly what we need at our club, young, with Premier league experience, tactically astute and develops players.
For me he's the best option by a country mile.
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Great post. Agree.
Amazing mental gymnastics to make excuses for another teams coach.
We deserved to concede plenty more than 2 goals from our own schoolboy errors but Bournemouth weren’t unlucky to concede twice. We should have scored more and would have if we didn’t make so many mistakes in the final execution.
Iraola is having an above average season. He’s a good coach who is definitely following the “In” trend this season. Hes not the messiah though and he will be asking himself what went wrong to lose a 2-0 lead in 30 mins and why their recent record is so bad.
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we had 1.62xG and 0.80 of that was a penalty.
Iraolas answer to what went wrong is a fluke cross which turned in to a goal and then a dumb penalty being given away.
The squad he has isn’t very good. Ange would have it mid table.
YOU saying that anyone else is doing mental gymnastics about anything is absolutely ridiculous. You’re an Olympic level mental gymnast who has admitted numerous times they’ve watched highlights of the game and haven’t seen the whole thing.
If both teams took the chances they had Bournemouth win 5, maybe 6-3. The chances themselves don’t matter, both team fluffed their lines somewhat in front of goal, but if not for Kepa, they win comfortably. Saying “yeah but we should have scored” is as worthwhile as “but we only usually lose by one”.
Taking Bournemouth to where he has this season is not simply ‘above average’ and at this point you’re basically trolling. No one’s said he’s the messiah, they can just see he’s clearly a very good coach who deserved more than a point against us, that happens sometimes.
All you’re doing at this point is getting in early against Iraola because you need to be right about something having been made to look, and making yourself look stupid time and time.. and time …and time again this season.
2 wins in the last 6 for Iarola, they had a similar drop off last season. I expect they'll settle now around where they are, 9th to 12th place
Possibly so, but they’ve had injuries or is that only one we use for ourselves? And it’s Bournemouth… are we really going to say a manager can’t be all that because he only finishes 9th with Bournemouth?
Our league position isn’t great is it, 4 teams in the league have lost more than us.
Also, I’m not even saying I 100% want Iraola, I think there’s a few options to look at, hell, I’m not even sure Levy sacks Ange - but I’m not going to write off a manager who has clearly done a very good job at a team with little resources.
I just dont think he's Jesus Christ like a lot on this forum seem to think he is tbh. decent manager, that's all.
But he'll inevitably come unstuck here
Are we really not understanding that we need a coach who’s gonna grow this squad slowly whilst develop himself as a coach at the same time. Nobody is gonna come in next season and have us competing for big titles. Poch finished 8th in his least season at Saints and blew plenty of leads, had chaos in their games.
Because xG in a single game tells you anything…
We got in behind Kerkez so many times and even second half so many dangerous 1v1 and even numbers advantage situations that we inexplicably fucked up time and time again.
We didn’t score more against Bournemouth because of ourselves, not because they were amazingly solid defensively.