Yeah. If Levy wants to run the football bit on a budget he needs proper football people to run it. Like a Brentford or Brighton on steroids.
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Joined the protest today, don’t think it being half term helped but well done to those who joined today.
Can’t help but feel that the new stadium is ENiC’s way of pretending our previous history doesn’t exist. Bit like when people say football only started when the Premier League started.
For me its like a death by a thousand cuts with Levy and co
Can’t help but feel that the new stadium is ENiC’s way of pretending our previous history doesn’t exist. Bit like when people say football only started when the Premier League started.
For me its like a death by a thousand cuts with Levy and co
Don't put up any statements that they can come back on such as transfer spend we are neck and neck wth the scum since 2019 it is identifying players to raise our levels in other words incompetence.
I joined it about halfway down the High Rd and thought it was a decent turnout and stayed at the front of the West Stand until about 1pm, as it started to peter out at that stage.
Apart from making Levy feel a bit uncomfortable (was he even there today?), I don't know what it actually achieves - the only thing that is going to make the change is someone who has a spare £4 billion in his pocket.
I didn't like the 'party when he dies' chant, but loved the Beyonce one.
Apart from making Levy feel a bit uncomfortable (was he even there today?), I don't know what it actually achieves - the only thing that is going to make the change is someone who has a spare £4 billion in his pocket.
I didn't like the 'party when he dies' chant, but loved the Beyonce one.
There is a lot wrong here. We might be 4th in net spend since 2021 but a better metric is player wages to revenue ratio. We are last in the Premier League ar 43% (or first if you're Levy). That metric is damning and why we don't win anything. Woolwich have similar revenue to us but have six players earning more than our highest earning player (Son) who let's face it only provides value with commercial streams now.Under a competent manager, relegation is a near impossibility.
I'm not trying to defend Levy or ENIC here, but from 2021-current we're 4th in net spend and, even with the wage bill reduction* in the past 24 months we're 7th (barely below 6th) in wages.
Premier League - Transfer income and expenditures
This statistic shows, which clubs of the Premier League in the seasons 21/22 to 24/25 had the highest transfer expenditures and/or transfer incomes.www.transfermarkt.us
I've said it before and will continue to say it: not spending enough (especially on wages) is why we're not winning/competing for trophies. That's ENIC/Levy's burden to bear.
The reason we're so shit the past 18 months is solely that we are currently lumbering along under the worst manager at the club in the past 40 years - and quite possible the worst manager in the club's history when graded according to how much has been financially invested in himself and the squad vs. the results. He's doing the least with the most of anyone in the club's history.
The amount that ENIC spend should reasonably ensure Spurs are never credibly threatened by relegation and anything lower than a 6th place finish is a failure to meet the expectations based on expenditure.
There's no real reason not to expect that Ange's replacement will finish 6th, at least, even with Levy.
*Which is predominately driven by clearing out deadwood (i.e. Ndombele, Dier, etc.) - something everyone here clammored for for years.
You say the problem is Ange and there is no reason another manager wouldn't get 6th with this squad. Ange is a huge problem and needed removing months ago but this squad is atrocious and no better than 10th-12th. A new manager would have to get this squad over performing and with all due respect only Poch in Levy's reign has got more out of a Spurs squad. Replace Ange and whoever the unlucky bloke is who picks up the pieces will be getting abused by the fans before November when we are firmly entrenched in the bottom half after a 4-1 home defeat to Chelsea. This is our club now. Mid table players, low table performances, hopefully don't get relegated.
In this post I have decided it’s time to accentuate the positives
It affects the image and the brand. And the more uncomfortable he feels the better. Imagine the state we'd be in if the whole fan base just happy clapped and enthusiastically supported ENIC and Levy in everything they did. As some on here would have us do
. God forbid....it doesn't bare thinking about.One thing that would really sting would be a massive, properly arranged Spurs fan protest with plenty of pre-planning outside the stadium on an NFL match day....Now that would be a proper blow. The negative publicity for Levy's Creme de la Creme would be damning
edit: already emailed this suggestion to CFT.
I guess the difficult hurdle we have is that the Spurs fan base is so widely dispersed and not highly concentrated in a single city like say Newcastle, with Ashley, so any major protest on a non Spurs match day would be nigh on impossible to get going.
If anyone else has any suggestions moving forward though?
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This wages to turnover ratio is not the be all but actual wages. Which player cares about the ratio but what they care about is what they actually earn. We are 7th in that category which is at least 1 below where we should be. Which of our players do you think should earn more? Maybe Bergvale and Gray ? In the past players like that were given wage increases after they proved themselves to keep them at Spurs but they have not been here a season yet.
In the recent past we could not shift players because they earned too much and they sat out their contract. Players like Ndombele and currently Regulion. Because we do not keep Managers long enough we are always rebuilding and need quantity of players in a transfer window instead of quality. I think Ange is a certainty to go in the summer and no doubt the new Manager will want many changes in the squad so we spread the transfer budget too thinly and these players do not deserve more or we will never shift the duds.
The main priority in the summer is getting a Manager that can stay as long as Poch and does not play a significantly different system to Ange, such as 3 at the back as we do not have enough CB’s for that system.
Exactly. And if the problem is Ange, well surely the actual problem is the person who a) employed him and b) has continued to employ him.
There is only one reason Ange Postecoglou is managing this football club, and that reason is Daniel Levy
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Assuming the delightful and fragrant Joe Lewis , (does anyone believe the family trust story means he has no say ) is exposed to the rapidly tumbling stock markets I wonder what he is thinking
1). I’m holding on to Spurs they are financially delivering better returns from all the mug fans than other investments.
2) I have seen my wealth go down 15-20 % it’s time to cash in
3) I have just done my bollocks so I need even more money from any Spurs sale than a week ago .
4) I got out in time and cashed in my investments and I am not hurting the way all the mugs are . An opportunity will exist to buy assets at knockdown prices soon. Fuck everyone else , lovely jubbly.
I have no idea, but sadly for us I reckon number 2 is least likely.
1). I’m holding on to Spurs they are financially delivering better returns from all the mug fans than other investments.
2) I have seen my wealth go down 15-20 % it’s time to cash in
3) I have just done my bollocks so I need even more money from any Spurs sale than a week ago .
4) I got out in time and cashed in my investments and I am not hurting the way all the mugs are . An opportunity will exist to buy assets at knockdown prices soon. Fuck everyone else , lovely jubbly.
I have no idea, but sadly for us I reckon number 2 is least likely.
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Shame on you.
I think what this current position shows, is that so much hinges on a good or bad managerial appointment.
Jol, Redknpapp, Poch, even Conte had us up in the upper echelons of the league being a force to be reckoned with.
Ramos, AngeLOSS and a few others have us toiling precariously close to the bottom.
There's a huge element of luck to it and, I think it's about time people started to realise that any perceived improvements we've seen on the pitch since ENIC arrived has been as much about luck of the draw with the managers as it has anything at all to do with their financial management.
Nobody is patting the Forest owner on the back for his financial prowess. They have lucked out and got the right coach for the players and it's all clicked. No different to Poch in his first 3 years at Spurs. Luck, lightning in a bottle.
Jol, Redknpapp, Poch, even Conte had us up in the upper echelons of the league being a force to be reckoned with.
Ramos, AngeLOSS and a few others have us toiling precariously close to the bottom.
There's a huge element of luck to it and, I think it's about time people started to realise that any perceived improvements we've seen on the pitch since ENIC arrived has been as much about luck of the draw with the managers as it has anything at all to do with their financial management.
Nobody is patting the Forest owner on the back for his financial prowess. They have lucked out and got the right coach for the players and it's all clicked. No different to Poch in his first 3 years at Spurs. Luck, lightning in a bottle.
Problem with the 43% figure is that that is the percentage of the total revenue that is paid in wages to all the employees at the club which is 820 people (2024 figure) . Nobody has any idea what percentage of that 43% is being paid to the first team squad and no one should rely on Capology figures, according to them Eric Dier is earning less at Bayern than he was at Spurs
It's luck of players too. We tried to flog Harry kane for peanuts until Tim sherwood intervened. We almost sold bale also.
Berbatov, Bale, Modric, Kane, even Walker. Some of the best players that have existed in the Premier league.
We've used them for financial gain rather than footballing heritage. It wouldn't take much to have added some prime talent around these guys to do something special.
Totally. I swear some think Levy is some innocent bystander in all these terrible decisions. Who appointed the clown that is Postecoglou? Who stuck with him 6 or 7 months after it was obvious he was terrible? Who dragged out a managerial search for an attacking coach for 3 months to end up with Nuno and then told him we wanted attacking football? Who appointed Mourinho who was already 5 years past his sell by date and stuck with him only to sack him 5 days before a final? Who kept promoting the hapless Steve Hitchen? Who heard the best manager we've had in decades ask for a painful rebuild and then not buy him a player for 18 months?Exactly. And if the problem is Ange, well surely the actual problem is the person who a) employed him and b) has continued to employ him.
There is only one reason Ange Postecoglou is managing this football club, and that reason is Daniel Levy
The money issue is important but its the incompetence from the top that has been the main factor in the last 7 or 8 years.
It's belief.
Spurs have been 4th, 5th or not far off for 20 years; give or take the odd poor season in the league.
The 6 seasons since the Champions League final have seen a steady decline; similar to the one Spurs experienced in the mid 90's after Venable's was sacked.
The perception when Poch was in charge was that Spurs just needed to get into the new stadium, buy one or two top notch players and the success would follow.
Instead what we have had has been the usual Levy / ENIC sleight of hand regarding the ambition of the football operation.
The infrastructure is second to none because it will bring financial rewards for the best paid chairman in the Premier League.
The make do and mend approach, to the coaching staff and playing squad, is still the issue.
Levy's jam tomorrow has now been exposed for the confidence trick it always was.
It's taken a painfully long period of time for a significant group of Spurs fans to reach this conclusion.
A quarter of a century people.
How have we passively accepted it for so long?
Would that really be that surprising?according to them Eric Dier is earning less at Bayern than he was at Spurs
It is quite well established that there is quite the pay gap between the Premier League and all of the other big European leagues unless you are a certified star player like a Mbappe or Vinicius.
There's a reason that Bournemouth can snag players like Huijsen from Juventus or how Forest can get Milenkovic from Fiorentina. The average salary in the Premier League is just that much better than in the rest of Europe.
Levy is a Great Businessman but a Lousy Chairman of a Football Club. He's cleverly ensured The Far East Fan base and now has arranged The North London derby in Hong Kong. He's also lining up the Newcastle clash in Seoul. Son won't be sold early next season. We all know it's time to phase him out but Levy has too much to loose. Son won't go until Yang Min-hyeok has settled in. We shouldn't expect miracles
There is no jam not today or tomorrow.