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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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Matt1882 said:
I think what this current position shows, is that so much hinges on a good or bad managerial appointment.
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leaving aside the owner's ability to make the club go bust (bastard Scolar) the most important person at the club is without doubt the manager. Occasionally you hit on an absolute legend - Clough at Derby, Clough at Forest, Ferguson at Aberdeen and eventually at MUFC. Howe taking tiny AFCB up 4 divisions and I think getting a promotion every one of his full seasons there. Jose in his good years when he had his coach with him (cant remember the name).

More often a good appointment will be someone who knows the game well and does a good job. Redknapp, Burkinshaw. Poch was great for us but I think he lucked out massively with Kane hitting form and a lot of cheap buys all turning very good at the same time (Dier, Rose, Walker) . Moose turning out to be fantastic in the MF.

And then you get absolute turkeys, and Levy's very good at unearthing them. I've given up saying he's in Last Chance Saloon, but anyone here with that level of failure should have been fired from all footballing decisions ever since say AVB at the latest. Some would say the Santini episode shouldve been the point. So called experts of the game who can't pick the best XI, can't work out the best formation and/or whose buys are rubbish.

There are so many good managers in the PL, never seen anything like it. No Hughton at BHA, no Roy H at Palace, no Gerrard at Villa, no Lopetegui at Spam, or GON at Wolves/AFCB. No Stev Bruce at NUFC, or whichever clown Everton have picked. Us and United almost alone at bucking the trend. It makes the PL much more competitive, but on the plus side it makes it a lot easier to go for someone with at least some proven exp of the PL.

If he gets it wrong again its Last Chance Saloon. Doh, I did it again.
 
Kane you believe it said:
It's luck of players too. We tried to flog Harry kane for peanuts until Tim sherwood intervened. We almost sold bale also.

Berbatov, Bale, Modric, Kane, even Walker. Some of the best players that have existed in the Premier league.

We've used them for financial gain rather than footballing heritage. It wouldn't take much to have added some prime talent around these guys to do something special.
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They all wanted to leave and in a post Bosman world, they have to be sold.
It really is that simple. I don't support the idea of forcing them to stay against their will and watch half arsed performances while their contracts run down.
 
Kosher Kid said:
How have we passively accepted it for so long?
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The con has been fairly obvious for a long time IMO.
The con is trying to behave like a club that wants to compete on the pitch but really, is only interested in financial stability.
If anyone celebrates the latter then there's something wrong with them.

I wonder what % of fans have renewed their season ticket yet? There's usually some positive news around the way when ever it's time and the numbers are low.
 
_mehstg said:
There is a lot wrong here. We might be 4th in net spend since 2021 but a better metric is player wages to revenue ratio. We are last in the Premier League ar 43% (or first if you're Levy). That metric is damning and why we don't win anything. Woolwich have similar revenue to us but have six players earning more than our highest earning player (Son) who let's face it only provides value with commercial streams now.
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Not really.

The assertion was that ENIC may get us relegated.

Internal comparisons, such as wages:revenue have no correlation on competitive comparison within a peer group, which is why I simply compared wages across the league.

That is what matters competitively within the league. We don't fail to sign a certain kind of player because our wage:revenue is lower than Liverpool. We fail to sign that kind of player simply because our gross wage budget is lower.

Their revenue is higher than ours, so in order to simply offer every player equal wages, our wage:revenue would have to be higher. Alternatively, our revenue is much higher than say Brighton, so even with a lower wage:revenue we can offer each player substantially higher wages. Players don't value each £1 from Brighton more because it represents a larger share of the clubs' revenue.

Wage:revenue is a metric of how much of a clubs' resources are committed to the playing squad. It's a purely internal metric.

The point being that across the last half decade or so, we're in the top 5-6 in both net spend and wages. It's practically impossible to get relegated at that spending level, and one certainly couldn't say that ownership is being irresponsible and endangering the club's league status by only outstanding 75% of its league competition.



To your last bit - that's an exaggeration. If no other manager in the world could get this squad to be better than 10-12th, then Ange isn't underperforming at all.

But, then, we know this to be absolutely false as the same manager had this same squad 5th last season.

The squad isn't as bad as Ange has made it look the last 18 months. That's simply a fact.



Also, you're just blatantly fucking wrong about Son and I'm tired of hearing cunts drag that nonsense out. He's 10th in the league in G+A/90. He's still performing very well and I'm sorry there's such a big stick lodged in your arse about Korean fans coming to matches but get the fuck over it.
 
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My brother-in-law ended up in a corporate box at the stadium yesterday (Saints fan) - was waxing lyrical about how amazing it was. He hates Levy but admits that the stadium’s pretty awesome (how many other clubs have chairmen we give a stuff about, btw?).

Was disappointed there was no cheese room.




(The last part I might have made up).
 
This is a direct quote from Levy.
“I often read calls for us to spend more, given we are ranked as the ninth-richest club in the world. However, a closer examination of today’s financial figures reveals that such spending must be sustainable in the long term and within our operating revenues. Our capacity to generate recurring revenues determines our spending power.

“We cannot spend what we do not have and we will not compromise the financial stability of this club – indeed, our off-pitch revenues have significantly supplemented the lower football revenues this year, testament to our diversified income strategy.”
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Were we, or were we not told that the point of the additional events was entirely to make the football team more competetive?
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that looks to me as though they had to dip into their other income stream to make up for a bit of lost income. It also seems as though that isn't going to be the norm.

At which point, I think the grift is beyond a debate. We have been used as a way to build a money printing machine.
 
SpiderSpurs said:

View: https://x.com/oJaayCo/status/1909226345294332384?t=_Y1hC_6ZMrZgrXfXhf0zJg&s=19

Fair play to this lot. They've turned a protest of 10 people (depending on the weather) which was seen as a joke, into something massive, and which is growing all the time. 👍🏻
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Has yellow become the official colour of the resistance? Not a terrible choice, given how much yellow merch there has been through the years.

Smart planning by Levy on next year's kits!

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This may be in the thread somewhere, but i thought this was funny.

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Dark Shadow said:
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Don't put up any statements that they can come back on such as transfer spend we are neck and neck wth the scum since 2019 it is identifying players to raise our levels in other words incompetence.
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The board hire the managers. Only poch and redknapp have worked out in their tenure. Think we fired Redknapp as had heart set on england job. Poch possible that united came calling and might have wanted him. One thing I would say the media are vipers towards us. When poch was doing well for us the media vouched him for united job, likewise for redknapp for England. Plus our best players get linked away. Need to stop that as seems in England we have a pecking order by media and have to be put in place.
 
MemphisWill said:
Not really.

The assertion was that ENIC may get us relegated.

Internal comparisons, such as wages:revenue have no correlation on competitive comparison within a peer group, which is why I simply compared wages across the league.

That is what matters competitively within the league. We don't fail to sign a certain kind of player because our wage:revenue is lower than Liverpool. We fail to sign that kind of player simply because our gross wage budget is lower.

Their revenue is higher than ours, so in order to simply offer every player equal wages, our wage:revenue would have to be higher. Alternatively, our revenue is much higher than say Brighton, so even with a lower wage:revenue we can offer each player substantially higher wages. Players don't value each £1 from Brighton more because it represents a larger share of the clubs' revenue.

Wage:revenue is a metric of how much of a clubs' resources are committed to the playing squad. It's a purely internal metric.

The point being that across the last half decade or so, we're in the top 5-6 in both net spend and wages. It's practically impossible to get relegated at that spending level, and one certainly couldn't say that ownership is being irresponsible and endangering the club's league status by only outstanding 75% of its league competition.



To your last bit - that's an exaggeration. If no other manager in the world could get this squad to be better than 10-12th, then Ange isn't underperforming at all.

But, then, we know this to be absolutely false as the same manager had this same squad 5th last season.

The squad isn't as bad as Ange has made it look the last 18 months. That's simply a fact.



Also, you're just blatantly fucking wrong about Son and I'm tired of hearing cunts drag that nonsense out. He's 10th in the league in G+A/90. He's still performing very well and I'm sorry there's such a big stick lodged in your arse about Korean fans coming to matches but get the fuck over it.
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Good to see you back and you have attracted a fanboy
 
MemphisWill said:
Not really.

The assertion was that ENIC may get us relegated.

Internal comparisons, such as wages:revenue have no correlation on competitive comparison within a peer group, which is why I simply compared wages across the league.

That is what matters competitively within the league. We don't fail to sign a certain kind of player because our wage:revenue is lower than Liverpool. We fail to sign that kind of player simply because our gross wage budget is lower.

Their revenue is higher than ours, so in order to simply offer every player equal wages, our wage:revenue would have to be higher. Alternatively, our revenue is much higher than say Brighton, so even with a lower wage:revenue we can offer each player substantially higher wages. Players don't value each £1 from Brighton more because it represents a larger share of the clubs' revenue.

Wage:revenue is a metric of how much of a clubs' resources are committed to the playing squad. It's a purely internal metric.

The point being that across the last half decade or so, we're in the top 5-6 in both net spend and wages. It's practically impossible to get relegated at that spending level, and one certainly couldn't say that ownership is being irresponsible and endangering the club's league status by only outstanding 75% of its league competition.



To your last bit - that's an exaggeration. If no other manager in the world could get this squad to be better than 10-12th, then Ange isn't underperforming at all.

But, then, we know this to be absolutely false as the same manager had this same squad 5th last season.

The squad isn't as bad as Ange has made it look the last 18 months. That's simply a fact.



Also, you're just blatantly fucking wrong about Son and I'm tired of hearing cunts drag that nonsense out. He's 10th in the league in G+A/90. He's still performing very well and I'm sorry there's such a big stick lodged in your arse about Korean fans coming to matches but get the fuck over it.
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Son is not performing well thought is he? Not when you consider his previous heights.

If you accept we are now a midtable club then I suppose he is performing well but I aim my sights a bit higher.
 
MemphisWill said:
Not really.

The assertion was that ENIC may get us relegated.

Internal comparisons, such as wages:revenue have no correlation on competitive comparison within a peer group, which is why I simply compared wages across the league.

That is what matters competitively within the league. We don't fail to sign a certain kind of player because our wage:revenue is lower than Liverpool. We fail to sign that kind of player simply because our gross wage budget is lower.

Their revenue is higher than ours, so in order to simply offer every player equal wages, our wage:revenue would have to be higher. Alternatively, our revenue is much higher than say Brighton, so even with a lower wage:revenue we can offer each player substantially higher wages. Players don't value each £1 from Brighton more because it represents a larger share of the clubs' revenue.

Wage:revenue is a metric of how much of a clubs' resources are committed to the playing squad. It's a purely internal metric.

The point being that across the last half decade or so, we're in the top 5-6 in both net spend and wages. It's practically impossible to get relegated at that spending level, and one certainly couldn't say that ownership is being irresponsible and endangering the club's league status by only outstanding 75% of its league competition.



To your last bit - that's an exaggeration. If no other manager in the world could get this squad to be better than 10-12th, then Ange isn't underperforming at all.

But, then, we know this to be absolutely false as the same manager had this same squad 5th last season.

The squad isn't as bad as Ange has made it look the last 18 months. That's simply a fact.



Also, you're just blatantly fucking wrong about Son and I'm tired of hearing cunts drag that nonsense out. He's 10th in the league in G+A/90. He's still performing very well and I'm sorry there's such a big stick lodged in your arse about Korean fans coming to matches but get the fuck over it.
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You fucking bell end... you're just embarrassing yourself and then realise that a small minority will agree with your thinking so you decide to start cursing. Absolute Cunt!!! 🚫
 
spursmalc said:
This wages to turnover ratio is not the be all but actual wages. Which player cares about the ratio but what they care about is what they actually earn. We are 7th in that category which is at least 1 below where we should be. Which of our players do you think should earn more? Maybe Bergvale and Gray ? In the past players like that were given wage increases after they proved themselves to keep them at Spurs but they have not been here a season yet.
In the recent past we could not shift players because they earned too much and they sat out their contract. Players like Ndombele and currently Regulion. Because we do not keep Managers long enough we are always rebuilding and need quantity of players in a transfer window instead of quality. I think Ange is a certainty to go in the summer and no doubt the new Manager will want many changes in the squad so we spread the transfer budget too thinly and these players do not deserve more or we will never shift the duds.
The main priority in the summer is getting a Manager that can stay as long as Poch and does not play a significantly different system to Ange, such as 3 at the back as we do not have enough CB’s for that system.
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It's a vicious circle. If you're not prepared to buy a proven goalscorer ike Osimhen because he wants 250k a week then you will always end up overpaying for potential or in the case of Solanke a good goalscorer but not a world class one. At this point, unless you accept mediocrity i.e mid table finish, no europe, no trophies then the next manager will get fired for failing to make a silk purse from a pigs ears. Our squad is bang average. Ange isnt getting a bean out of them but I dont believe this is entirely on him. The injuries havent helped but a new manager might have turned 25% of those defeats into wins which would still only be 8th. Unless we buy proven world class in the summer which judged on Levy's recent statement isn't going to happen, then I predict marginally better season. Maybe 8th due to less fixtures.
 
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