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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I don't see Mourinho or Conte as failures.
Mourinho got us to a cup final and wasn't allowed to try to win it. That's entirely on Levy.
Conte got us into the Champions League from a position of weakness and had us at the upper echelon of the league. He is 100% a league title manager over and above a cup manager. Not saying he would have won it with us, but we'd have been a lot closer to the top than the bottom. He too was sacked before he even had a chance to have a crack.
In light of the latest comments from Levy about selling to buy, I think this is now the norm for us. I think he's done exactly what I always predicted - used the club to build a money printing machine and coaches like Mourinho and Conte demanded too much of him.
The reality is, we need a coach who can get 110% from mediocre players. Not one who needs elite players at the top of their game to do the work for them.
I'm glad some of the more regular media faces are opening their eyes to it and saying it.
It's a shame it's taken them 2 whole years to figure this out though. Many of us had serious concerns that a 58 year with almost 30 years of management behind him had never once attracted attention from a decent football country and then ends up at Spurs. That alone was a massive red flag.
And really, other than the over rated first 10 games, everything has pointed to a coach who is out of his depth at this level.
I can only hope, that when he goes back to a weak league and does well, we don't have absolute morons trying to suggest it was never him, it was us. A fucking cactus would win a treble with Celtic.
In a strange way stuff like this gives me hope that under a manager with at least two brain cells and a bit of respect, we could have some really good players and a team waiting to emerge from the shackles they are currently in. It's why I've given many of them a free pass this season.
I still remember how much I disliked the spineless and cowardly 2013/14 version of Jan Vertonghen, highlighted even more by Glenn Hoddle when we went to Liverpool under Tim Sherwood and before the game as captain (?) He was just leaning against the wall looking totally uninterested. Think we got torn apart that day too.
110% from mediocre players might get you to a quarter final and 6-8th in the league. It doesn't matter who the coach is. To be successful, you need elite players on the pitch.
Poch, Conte and Mourinho knew this and told Levy. Our golden geese Kane, Dele, Son and Eriksen failed to deliver and were never replaced. We now expect a new coach to win with Solanke, Maddison, Johnson and a 32 year old Son. No fucking chance. haha
I honestly thought Contes 2nd season we would challenge for the title , we ended his first season so well and we were a well oiled machine , added Bissouma who I thought would be a sensation and Richarlison could chip in with another 10 goals to add to Kane and Sonny but when I look back we just didn’t have the quality in the squad to compete .
This season has been fucking horrific.
Ange is an amateur - there is no doubt about it. People are still trying to give the club some respect at the moment, especially while we are still in the Europa Semis. But once he's out of our club employment, there will be many true words and harsher truths from both players and pundits, I am very sure.
Agreed on this. It's been a little irritating watching journos reveal EXCLUSIVE and BREAKING news that Ange is not going to be here next season as if it's some sort of surprise. "But what if he wins Europa??!!". No, he's done. We despise him, now fuck off and write something on Spurs only when you have half a clue what you are talking about.
Which is precisely why we need to 'get lucky' with a so-called unfashionable manager like Iraola/Franck...
Someone who CAN get more with less, and improve the sum of our parts.
Mourinho & Conte were superstar Hollywood A-List managers asked to perform at a regional Pantomime.. they were always gonna demand more!
Scott Parker is a decent shout ONE day (although there's summit a bit odd about him... I just can't put my finger on it! He reminds me of a cult leader....)
But if his style of football at Burnley is anything to go by, we'll be getting another Nuno ...
Franck or Iraola for me .. At least Iraola would know how to get the best out of Solanke!!
You can't really pose that question without fleshing it out with the cup/league performances for each scenario though.
If you said whilst finishing 2nd in the League we would be knocked out of every cup competition at the first hurdle, then maybe it becomes a difficult hypothetical. But then what is the League performance whilst winning these 12 cups? Finishing 17th every year? Then no, it's not worth 80% of the games you watch your team in being a dismal experience.
Plus, over an extended period of time, you also have to apply some basic logic. If a side is good enough to be finishing 2nd in the league consistently, then the chances that they will win a cup is increased. Meanwhile, if the side is so poor they can only just about avoid relegation, then they aren't going to be much of a threat in the cups.
This season is an absolute freak, only enabled by the fact that Europa has a pretty easy format for getting to the knockouts, and has seen a very favourable run to the Semis, largely due to the lack of CL dropouts in this new format.
We won't have that luxury next season, because we either won't be in Europe at all, or because we'll be playing CL calibre teams in the actual CL.
Winning the Europa would in no way excuse this season's League performance, or justify it. We should have been able to negotiate our way to the latter stages whilst also being able to at the very least be in the top half in the League.
None of them as prestigious as the Double.
This is nonsense. We had a great 11 and decent to middling subs when Poch was here.
The fact that he got us so close to winning the league with piss poor squad investment is a significant achievement in itself - and IMO did more for the club long-term than the unlikely event of Ange winning the Europa will do, in spite of Bald Cunt's priorities.
He made that squad too, most of them players were either not performing or not playing before Pochettino got there
Core of the team that season in minutes played.
Eriksen
Dier
Alli
Wanyama
Lloris.
All 5 played over 3000 minutes.
How much did those 5 cost combined? Same as one Davinson Sanchez? Less?
The magic in a bottle Levy has been looking for ever since.
(And the amount of shit that Dier gets from our fans too. He was key to how we played that season)
I think you probably remember the moment, not the season - the question was which is seen as a better season between the two.
But fair enough if you put isolated moments above a season, I personally prefer the 4-5 years of Poch ball, everything that came with it and having a team who we were proud of that could go toe to toe with anyone.
What do you care? You'll be gone with AngeLOSS.