Manager Ange Postecoglou

[Stateside Spur]

I have thought for a while he might be kept on for a bit if he wins, as it will be massive for the club given the trophy hole we are in. But it would be a mistake of course. Likely we will get a sub-par replacement in November and then we're in a mess for another year.

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I don’t disagree, a trophy isn’t going to make Ange the right man for the job, but if the options are between winning a major European trophy and going through another bottom half league season or losing the final, getting a new manager in and having improved results next season, I’m choosing the trophy every single time.

A new manager ain’t getting us a league title in their first year and barring that, European glory tomorrow night trumps all other league positions in my view.

 

[Deuterz]

Before the biggest achievement we could be having since 41 years ago, the agenda from the journalists, and worse, some of our fans, towards him leading to the final is nothing short of fucking disgraceful...

I wanted him out, as I honestly never expected us to be in the final of Europa. Under this circumstance change, I'm actually feeling sorry for him to be facing all these crap while trying to bring us the biggest win in decades, and I hope he gave us all the middle finger after lifting the trophy and called it quits tomorrow.

Credit to him, his vibe is way better than Poch could handle no matter how many lemons he had for the CL final 6 years ago. Even if we lose tomorrow, what has he got to lose? He's not getting respect in anyways. He's already sentenced.

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^ waffle

 

[Rebs]

No need for questions about his future, it's getting tiresome and we all expect him to be gone this summer, even he does surely. It should all be about the final now, just ask questions about that, what else is Ange going to say other than what he came out with regarding his response today. I don't actually hate Ange, I'm kinda sad it hasn't worked out, but we all know the league form and results will mean he's gone this summer no matter what happens tomorrow. But...the focus should have been on the match tomorrow. And that is all I am focused on really now. I'm excited. I'm nervous. I love it. COYS

 

[sudoku]

Unless we win, then according to Dan he's a hero.

Or you don't agree with Dan if that happens?

More importantly, who gives a fuck? It's not about Ange it's about the team...and the amusing irony here is that Ange has pulled the classic Jose trick before a big game of taking the attention off the team by giving the media some column nonsense to write about him. It's the exact opposite of what a clown would do, whilst talking about someone calling him a clown.

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Ironically, you are replying to an actual clown.

 

[Deuterz]

Unless we win, then according to Dan he's a hero.

Or you don't agree with Dan if that happens?

More importantly, who gives a fuck? It's not about Ange it's about the team...and the amusing irony here is that Ange has pulled the classic Jose trick before a big game of taking the attention off the team by giving the media some column nonsense to write about him. It's the exact opposite of what a clown would do, whilst talking about someone calling him a clown.

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I think he’s a clown no matter what!

Shittest manager in my lifetime. 17th in the league and the league is always the barometer of a teams quality.

Ange can do whatever tricks he wants - results speak for themselves. A joke artist. As if beating the team only marginally less shit than us (16th, with a win rate of about 30% under Amorim!) changes this.

 

[Maureen]

Nice to read a balanced opinion.

This season really has been an exception. Fans seem to have forgotten that fixture congestion and the injury crisis meant that the squad was unable to train for 2 months.

"In a recent interview, he described the situation as “extreme,” noting that for over two months, players—including teenagers and senior squad members—were being asked to play Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Sunday without rest. He emphasized that this relentless schedule left little room for proper training or recovery, contributing to a significant injury crisis"

I agree that this is not unusual for teams competing in Europe and, still in domestic cup competitions - but it is unusual to do this with so many players missing through injury.

Every season we see "top" teams dip out of the domestic cup competitions - a strategic decision to focus on Europe or the EPL. So, whilst I feel it was an insult to season ticket holders, ditching the EPL was a strategic decision to allow us to focus on the cup competitions. A risk that could pay huge dividends (Trophy + Champs Leage), but also one that carries huge risk (humiliation and lost EPL prize money).

I think if Ange were to stay next season, we would see a significant difference. If the players can remain fit, we have a good core of experienced players to handle the EPL, and some excellent young players who have had valuable experience this season to tackle the Cup comps.

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May be do but what interests me is the ‘proper training’. Ffs when this guy had plenty of time for ‘proper training’ we were awful. I recall we had two weeks to prepare MLD at home whilst goons had played 2CL KO games. We were 0-3 down by HT.

 

[John Duncan]

Unless we win, then according to Dan he's a hero.

Or you don't agree with Dan if that happens?

More importantly, who gives a fuck? It's not about Ange it's about the team...and the amusing irony here is that Ange has pulled the classic Jose trick before a big game of taking the attention off the team by giving the media some column nonsense to write about him. It's the exact opposite of what a clown would do, whilst talking about someone calling him a clown.

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He may or may not be a clown .

But , undeniably, for the next 26 , 27 , 28 hours; he’s OUR clown .

We’ve all come this far with him on his journey: let’s give him every last bit of our support for the next day and a bit .

Unless Daniel pulls the trigger between now and the final-whistle
( not impossible I know) ; he’ll bring something very special back to this Club . Let’s all hope and pray it happens.

 

[Maureen]

Absolutely agree – this is such a well-rounded take. Emotional supporters (understandably) get caught up in the highs and lows, and often forget the context – like the brutal fixture congestion and injury crisis – because their passion creates natural biases. And that’s ok, it comes from a place of deep care for the club.

But it has been an exceptional season. Expecting peak performance without recovery or training for two months, especially while relying on youth players, was always going to come at a cost. It’s also true that other top teams often deprioritise certain competitions – so while the EPL drop-off felt harsh, it was a calculated gamble with potential for a big payoff.

If Ange stays and we get a fair run with injuries next season, the foundation is clearly there – experienced leaders and battle-hardened young players – to build something exciting.

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But many other teams had injuries as well. In fact we are not even highest in terms of minutes missed. Plus every team that qualifies for Europe has the same rota. Are they not training? It’s just excuse after excuse. Also when we did have some injuries (mainly in defence it has to be said) we actually played in some games like city away and at home in LC. Same as v manure until Fraser got bored. We always had our attacking players fit during November / December mostly. Ok both CBs and goalie were out and then we lost destiny. But it was Ange who didn’t pick Spence for Europe then never played him in the league until soton away. He could have played him in plenty of league games but he picked gray. Same with goalie he had Austin but chose Fraser.

 

[Maureen]

Yeah - it was a 'strategic decision' to play shit football and lose a record number of games. I'm not sure even your hero Ange would agree with that analysis.

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We must have made that ‘strategic decision’ back in November when we lost to Ipswich at home. Leicester at home Jan / Feb time as well.

 

[Maureen]

He may or may not be a clown .

But , undeniably, for the next 26 , 27 , 28 hours; he’s OUR clown .

We’ve all come this far with him on his journey: let’s give him every last bit of our support for the next day and a bit .

Unless Daniel pulls the trigger between now and the final-whistle
( not impossible I know) ; he’ll bring something very special back to this Club . Let’s all hope and pray it happens.

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If we don’t win tmrw I don’t see how his position is tenable. I’m sure he’d resign Thursday morning as no way he takes charge of Brighton game. He’d be picking fights with everyone. Prbly more dignified exit by resigning before.

 

[Maureen]

Here are his comments after we lost to Fulham in the League cup early last season. Such a snake oil salesman, just says whatever protects him most at any given time

“I’m here because I want to create a club that has the opportunity to win things on a yearly basis,” he said. “There’s a difference. Us winning a Carabao Cup and finishing 10th is not what I think this club is about.”

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It’s amazing how the history books have been written and everything is air brushed. Someone should ask him about this quote and others where his made a fool of himself.

 

[On the shelf]

so long ange

 

[Maureen]

Ok, let's say our best players have a good start. What happens when they start dropping? - because if we're in CL, they will for sure. No question. Ange has shown zero ability to coach the B team how to defend as a unit in times of crisis. Our midfield is one big gaper. What makes you think this will change? There is no evidence whatsoever.

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Worse still is what makes anyone think his yes or no players is gonna be any good. If we get more Tels, Werner’s etc we are doomed.

 

[John Duncan]

If we don’t win tmrw I don’t see how his position is tenable. I’m sure he’d resign Thursday morning as no way he takes charge of Brighton game. He’d be picking fights with everyone. Prbly more dignified exit by resigning before.

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No-one in their right mind ( with obvious apologies to those who think otherwise) hopes or expects Ange to be here past June 1st . Even he’s adjusted to that fact .

Like knowing you’ll be breaking up with someone in a few days : we should all enjoy the last few passionate days and nights we have together .

It’s got to end ; we get that ; but let’s think about the (almost) good times we had together and go out with a bang ?

Everybody will be in ecstasy; and then we’ll all get to move on with our lives .

That’s what I’m hoping for .

 

[Maureen]

I do love a rational balanced opinion.
Let's examine things ;
He inherited an ageing goalkeeper with no competition has he replaced and improved on that situation he/ they brought in a youngish unheard of Italian and a young hungry Kinsky,neither are better than Hugo at peak but imo there's genuine competition there now ...
A right wing back that was effective going forward but couldn't defend. For shit . is that situation improved.. has to be a yes
THe lack of a center bac pairing .. brought in van the man... Him and rom MATCH FIT
aBsolute top class
a left bac situation with possibilities. He's brought through Udu MATCH FIT absolutely TOP draw player
Spence a refugee under previous cantankerous management...we now have a player who can effectively cover both left and right bac .. not many of those around.
Midfield ... Lacked vision and creativity... Brought in Mad's match fit and on his day plays on a different level..
He's brought through sarr and brought somewhere near the best out of biss' whereas b4 under Conte I very rarely saw him make forward pass .. like he was absolutely afraid to f##c up, he is a bit hit and miss .. but he's showing signs of the player we thought he was
Johnson and gray.. I'm putting them together as I'm wondering if our director of football was a victim of buying the glossy image that nepotism can create and ignoring other factors . BOTH came from clubs that parents were entrenched in legendary status. And arguably were never going to fail there. whilst you cant argue with Johnsons goal scoring .. and his pace is unquestionable his overall skill set is not great. And gray .. ignoring the idolator lavish media attention he was given during his extended run .. it totally ignored that game in game out his errors that WERE costly .. and we've seen enuf recently to question if his skill set is up to the prem.. maybe with both ang will improve them . Time will tell
Ang lost 25 to 30 goals a season when kane left..which ever side of the fence you sit with kane .. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT BLOW .. he/we needed reinforcements asap and in a limited market bought In a bang inform center forward at an over inflated price, who grafts and has 100% bought into the team ethic . BUT unfortunately as yet hasn't quite delivered.. tbh I've got a y class to get to and the dog needs walking so I've got to go. But there's loads more plus's that just make your pub manager quote look absolutely what it is.. Sunday morning pub talk.

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Porro we already got before Ange. Paratici was prbly behind signing Vic. MADDs was well early in the transfer window so we probably already done the leg work. Sarr has regressed this season. Spence yes his been a find but he completely ignored for nearly half the season even after saving his skin v cov in LC. Could go on…

 

[Maureen]

The only way that can be proven is to give both coaches both squads and see what they do.
Otherwise it's just opinion and educated guesswork.

My educated guess is Ange would drag Poch's team downwards and Poch would drag this team upwards.
Even if we win the Europa league this season, it doesn't mean we've achieved more, IMO. We have litterally sacrificed one competition for another. Exactly what Poch did in the days we were in the Europa league but vice versa.
If you are willing to accept poor league form domestically, getting to the Europa League final and potentially winning it is far easier than 4 top 4 finishes, including 2 title challenges.

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Plus Europa now is so watered down with more teams gaining entry to CL plus no more drop outs. So really is mid table farmers league clubs.

 

[Maureen]

100% this - people forget or don't care what Poch and that team actually achieved which was making Spurs respected and competitive consistently for years despite things going against us like the owners lack of ambition, bad recruitment (or none at all for 18 months) and losing our home after an unbeaten season there to go to the shithole that is Wembley and STILL compete at the top end of the league.
Winning a pot does not in any way make Ange more successful because football doesn't work that way - we have seen it before as you mentioned with Ramos.
Longevity, consistency and building a squad and club that competes at the top end is what we should be about - not the odd cup as much as I would love it of course, we need both to happen to really progress.

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I’m sure that last paragraph is what some one posted about Ange after Fulham game last season. Although now that long term view is binned just for Ange’s ego.
Also people seem to forget under poch we actually played much better football and defo more consistently. We could defend and we could out from first whistle and blitz teams. These days we are lucky if we get a good 10 min spell of attacking football. None of this sleep walking first half’s like we do now.

 

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[Maureen]

Watching his presser was just asked if it could be his penultimate game with the club and he basically said it doesn’t matter, big opportunity for the club to win something and he will continue competing for trophies wherever he ends up.

Definitely sounds like he has been told he won’t be here next season already.

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Wonder how that conversation went

 

[manmountainbutters]

Honestly if that's the outcome of us winning tomorrow, I'll take it with both hands. I have seen the club in a mess for over two decades, what's another year? The win tomorrow will get us to savour for years to come.

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Yes - I agree with that. What I'm saying is that despite what will be understandable euphoria if we win, and the Ange-cult going full Robbie Williams, it would still be a huge mistake to keep him beyond the end of this month.