Management Ange: In/Out?

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I also hope that Ange stays in office.
I also hope that we can field a strong squad next season, without many long-term injured key players.

I can imagine that we'll have a good season, both in the Premier League and the Champions League.

 

[Samisspurs]

It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind, and after last week, think he has merited a stay of execution. I can't emphasis how important it was to us as a Club, huge monkey off our back. Yes, the league position is awful but the choice of even being third or a trophy is a no-brainer for me.
There are a few reasons why I think he should stay:
1. His motivational skills are next-to-none, and we should take advantage of those to the full.
2. He's had a season where he has taken a more pragmatic approach when he's needed to, to get us over the line, so maybe he can be flexible.
3. If we could find a top notch coach that would be able to act as a "co-manager", who Ange would actually listen to, in respect of setting up the team right and bring out the best in the players we have and hopefully are going to get in the summer. This would require Ange to be more flexible and acceptance of advice that may be different of his way of doing things.
4. I think we forget how young some of our team are, and they've been thrown in the deep end, not necessarily playing in their best positions. Last season they have had invaluable experience, which will hold them in good stead for the next one.
I would give him until October to see if he's up to it. It's a bit of a risky strategy, as if it doesn't work out, we have wasted another season.

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So well put Mrs P. People have been traumatised by the league, particularly home form. If he can't correct that a few months in then he can bow out gracefully with a trophy. I truly believe a couple of new creative players will change things.

 

[Don Pedro]

Ange won't survive next season anyway. So if Romero is so attached to him that he doesn't want to work with anyone else - its better to sell Romero now with 2 years on his contract left, than after next season with only one remaining.

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I imagine we'll be getting Romero to sign a new contract before the season starts if he does stay.

I think its either a new contract or he's gone. Otherwise its poor and risky business by us.

 

[False 9]

I don’t think any fan wants to think in those terms but they find it entirely believe that is exactly what levy will do. It’s so him.

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I was at the final. Not once did I join in with the Ange chants. Because all he did was pick the players and that’s it. He didn’t coach us to that title.

Wanted him sacked before the final still want him sacked nothing personal just business. He’s just not cut out for the EPL. Brighton manager changed tactics at halftime and we couldn’t cope. Tel, Odobert and Gray wouldn’t make other PL teams. The cup win only covered the cracks.

 

[McCOYS]

I was at the final. Not once did I join in with the Ange chants. Because all he did was pick the players and that’s it. He didn’t coach us to that title.

Wanted him sacked before the final still want him sacked nothing personal just business. He’s just not cut out for the EPL. Brighton manager changed tactics at halftime and we couldn’t cope. Tel, Odobert and Gray wouldn’t make other PL teams. The cup win only covered the cracks.

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I've said it already on another thread but there's been a few teams relegated in the past with more points than we got this season. West Ham, Birmingham, Crystal Palace all went down with more points than we have.

What Is The Highest Points For A Team To Be Relegated With In A Single Season | StatMuse

Crystal Palace have earned the most points by a club with more than 0 relegations and in the Premier League in a season, with 49 points in 1992-93.

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[Shadydan]

I've said it already on another thread but there's been a few teams relegated in the past with more points than we got this season. West Ham, Birmingham, Crystal Palace all went down with more points than we have.

What Is The Highest Points For A Team To Be Relegated With In A Single Season | StatMuse

Crystal Palace have earned the most points by a club with more than 0 relegations and in the Premier League in a season, with 49 points in 1992-93.

www.statmuse.com

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It's an interesting stat but it is all meaningless in the grand scheme of things, conflating points from different seasons doesn't really work in that respect.

 

[McCOYS]

It's an interesting stat but it is all meaningless in the grand scheme of things, conflating points from different seasons doesn't really work in that respect.

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Well we're fortunate that the three teams below us didn't have more points like other relegated teams did in the past, it would mean we'd have been relegated this season.

It's relegation form anyway.

 

[Shadydan]

Well we're fortunate that the three teams below us didn't have more points like other relegated teams did in the past, it would mean we'd have been relegated this season.

It's relegation form anyway.

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Maybe but if they were better than they were I think we most probably have accumulated more points anyway, we downed tools in the league ages ago also if they were better than they were the teams above us would have got less points due to relegated teams taking points off them too, it works both ways.

All academic though i guess

 

[TonySoprano]

I also hope that Ange stays in office.
I also hope that we can field a strong squad next season, without many long-term injured key players.

I can imagine that we'll have a good season, both in the Premier League and the Champions League.

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[McCOYS]

Maybe but if they were better than they were I think we most probably have accumulated more points anyway, we downed tools in the league ages ago also if they were better than they were the teams above us would have got less points due to relegated teams taking points off them too, it works both ways.

All academic though i guess

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Well that's another issue for me, Postecoglou seemingly admitted that he purposely switched focus from the Premier League in January. So he and the club's higher ups have been purposely mugging off the paying customers with substandard football.

When we one the UEFA Cup in 1984 we came 8th in the league.

 

[PatagoniaPhil]

He finished 17th on 38 points. Got to go

 

[Shadydan]

Well that's another issue for me, Postecoglou seemingly admitted that he purposely switched focus from the Premier League in January. So he and the club's higher ups have been purposely mugging off the paying customers with substandard football.

When we one the UEFA Cup in 1984 we came 8th in the league.

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Well I mean we won so if he said that you have to say the decision is justified, it got us CL football as well and more money as a by-product so essentially that alone should give something back to the season ticket holders next season.

 

[McCOYS]

Well I mean we won so if he said that you have to say the decision is justified, it got us CL football as well and more money as a by-product so essentially that alone should give something back to the season ticket holders next season.

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We didn't have to be shite in the league when we won the cup in 1984, also we were forth the season we reached the Champions League final.

 

[Shadydan]

We didn't have to be shite in the league when we won the cup in 1984, also we were forth the season we reached the Champions League final.

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We didn't, not that has anything to do with the current team though, we were obviously better back then and we had better coaches.

There was also a time we won the league and did the double, that doesn't have any relation to what happened in 1984 or 2019...

 

[Dudski]

Levy never backs his managers, but we've got plenty more than Fulham or Brighton.

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If you chose Ange in but on a “give it 10 games and see” vibe then you’re not really Ange in, you just want to reward a guy you have no confidence in but have you a great moment. This summer is too important to mess up based on sentimentalities.

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They should just give him a nice watch instead.

 

[Dudski]

So well put Mrs P. People have been traumatised by the league, particularly home form. If he can't correct that a few months in then he can bow out gracefully with a trophy. I truly believe a couple of new creative players will change things.

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Postecoglou won't ever leave gracefully. One of the single most corrosive figures in football. He's divided the fan base and made the players loyal to him instead of the club. A month ago he was lashing out at the same fans who are defending him. All managers eventually leave. I suspect he'll manipulate the media to stay and then abandon the fans the first good offer he gets elsewhere.

 

[Shades]

It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind, and after last week, think he has merited a stay of execution. I can't emphasis how important it was to us as a Club, huge monkey off our back. Yes, the league position is awful but the choice of even being third or a trophy is a no-brainer for me.
There are a few reasons why I think he should stay:
1. His motivational skills are next-to-none, and we should take advantage of those to the full.
2. He's had a season where he has taken a more pragmatic approach when he's needed to, to get us over the line, so maybe he can be flexible.
3. If we could find a top notch coach that would be able to act as a "co-manager", who Ange would actually listen to, in respect of setting up the team right and bring out the best in the players we have and hopefully are going to get in the summer. This would require Ange to be more flexible and acceptance of advice that may be different of his way of doing things.
4. I think we forget how young some of our team are, and they've been thrown in the deep end, not necessarily playing in their best positions. Last season they have had invaluable experience, which will hold them in good stead for the next one.
I would give him until October to see if he's up to it. It's a bit of a risky strategy, as if it doesn't work out, we have wasted another season.

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I know we spoke about this on Friday and Sunday, but I am not so sure. He has pretty much not performed in the League from well before the end of last Season and my worry is I did not see any signs of him adapting and changing. I know we had injuries etc. but isnt that when a manager earns their money and adapts and changes to what or who we can field.

My worry is that we wait till October, will that be 8 or more games by then? what if we are sitting bottom of the table with maybe 2 or 3 points ? It sounds fanciful, but the reality is, that is what our recent form is.. Could we attract someone to come in for what will then be a dogfight ? Do we have the players with the mentaility and physical attributes to scrap for their lives to haul us up out of that Zone?

As I said, I hope I am wrong and he maybe performs miracles ? But, won't he be using the Champions League as the excuse next season for poor League form and strange squad rotations.. It really is the most Spursy of situations we are in.

 

[manmountainbutters]

I know we spoke about this on Friday and Sunday, but I am not so sure. He has pretty much not performed in the League from well before the end of last Season and my worry is I did not see any signs of him adapting and changing. I know we had injuries etc. but isnt that when a manager earns their money and adapts and changes to what or who we can field.

My worry is that we wait till October, will that be 8 or more games by then? what if we are sitting bottom of the table with maybe 2 or 3 points ? It sounds fanciful, but the reality is, that is what our recent form is.. Could we attract someone to come in for what will then be a dogfight ? Do we have the players with the mentaility and physical attributes to scrap for their lives to haul us up out of that Zone?

As I said, I hope I am wrong and he maybe performs miracles ? But, won't he be using the Champions League as the excuse next season for poor League form and strange squad rotations.. It really is the most Spursy of situations we are in.

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It would IMO be a rash emotional decision to keep Ange now. At the start of the season I said I'd have taken a shit league position for a cup, and I am glad that it is how it turned out. I'd take another shit league position next season for a cup tbh, but I don't think that makes a viable strategy. Ange has tried to position it that way - that he chose the cup vs the league - and maybe that's true, but with a cup there is every chance something goes against you and you don't win. We played well against EF, but truth is it was very close, as was the final. In another year perhaps those games go against us? And we don't have the relatively slightly easier to win EL next season.

If our league form was mid table and relegation was out of the question then I'd perhaps have a different view, but our league form has been so piss poor, generally relegation standard in the second half of the season. I just don't think we can risk that for a supposedly better chance of winning a cup.

Ultimately I believe there are coaches out there who can:

- do better in the league
- give us as good a chance of winning a cup
- do more to improve our players

And therefore Ange should go.

 

[Dudski]

I know we spoke about this on Friday and Sunday, but I am not so sure. He has pretty much not performed in the League from well before the end of last Season and my worry is I did not see any signs of him adapting and changing. I know we had injuries etc. but isnt that when a manager earns their money and adapts and changes to what or who we can field.

My worry is that we wait till October, will that be 8 or more games by then? what if we are sitting bottom of the table with maybe 2 or 3 points ? It sounds fanciful, but the reality is, that is what our recent form is.. Could we attract someone to come in for what will then be a dogfight ? Do we have the players with the mentaility and physical attributes to scrap for their lives to haul us up out of that Zone?

As I said, I hope I am wrong and he maybe performs miracles ? But, won't he be using the Champions League as the excuse next season for poor League form and strange squad rotations.. It really is the most Spursy of situations we are in.

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In talking about qualifying for Champion's League Postecoglou said, “I don’t see the sense in trying to aim for something other than No 1.” Well, he only missed by 16 on that one, but he'll survive off that one soundbite "I always win things my second season."

 

[Harrier]

I was at the final. Not once did I join in with the Ange chants. Because all he did was pick the players and that’s it. He didn’t coach us to that title.

Wanted him sacked before the final still want him sacked nothing personal just business. He’s just not cut out for the EPL. Brighton manager changed tactics at halftime and we couldn’t cope. Tel, Odobert and Gray wouldn’t make other PL teams. The cup win only covered the cracks.

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Exactly!

I keep reading ‘he’s earned the chance to start next season’.

That’s entirely sentimental and based on a good cup run to a trophy, totally ignoring the last 18 months dire league form.

Personally I can’t ignore the fact we’d have been relegated if not for the poor performance of the bottom three (two of which beat us)!