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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Matt1882 said:
Poch had 2 cup finals.
The league cup final in 2015 came too soon. And not only was it too soon into the project, it was also too soon after the game before. The League cup final was Sunday March 1st. We played away at Fiorentina on the Thursday beforehand. Chelsea, meanwhile, hadn't played since their home game against Burnley 8 days prior.
We were visibly dead on our feet early in the 2nd half. I remember Walker looking like he had less pace than Neil Ruddock. Now.
They were also champions that season.

The champions league final was over as a contest inside 30 seconds. As soon as Liverpool got that lead, they were more than happy to protect what they had.
It was unfortunately for us in both final, it wasn't through lack of talent by Poch to get us over the line.

In both cases, we were playing top, top quality teams when the odds were against us. Not the shittest Man United side in living memory.
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I agree with all this but I also remember us getting bundled out by Gent in 2017 when we unquestionably had a squad not only lightyears better than what we have now but lightyears better than most of Europe.

So maybe you should just politely thank Postecoglou for his service and move on?
 
FightingIllini said:
Ifs buts and maybes, I know, but would people feel differently right now if we'd beaten Lazio and Athletic Bilbao in their home stadium to lift the cup?

Genuinely curious.
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Probably? What's the point in this. We didn't.

Bilbao got an early red which fucked them over for the tie, and Bodo are fucking Bodo. Yeah they've pulled off some shocks against teams not prepared for them or not prepared for a plastic wintery pitch, but they're league one standard. They aren't equipped to deal with the pressure or the intensity of a semi-final. They have the budget of Wrexham. Lazio lost to them on penalties because they fucked the first leg immeasurably.

We managed to comfortably win the first leg (as we fucking should, the resource gap is embarrassing) and that set us up nicely for a second leg where they tried to force things and couldn't because they have zero athleticism or creative talent. And you want to big it up as a huge accomplishment!
 
BlackLips said:
Oh I have one. But my logic on why I feel that way and why I feel it’s the correct way is unlikely to change the way the other side feels.
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manmountainbutters said:
Well put.

The other factor that has been mentioned here is that this trophy with the 17 year monkey on the back being thrown off at last, has particularly high value. We aren't winning the PL or CL under Ange (just typing it even is LOL tbh). So are we going to get anything like the same buzz from an FA Cup or CC win with another dire league performance (and that btw, is likely the BEST case under Ange). I doubt it. His job is done. We squeaked home and got the monkey off our backs. Great. Let's move on and play good football and try and win a pot with style.
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I hope it all comes out well for Postecoglou. He cleared the roster, got some experience for the young guys, and reestablished an attacking mindset. There are better places for him to manage and better managers for Spurs.
 
Deuterz said:
Probably? What's the point in this. We didn't.
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Just wondering. Like there's a world in which we look at the full Europa League campaign as this imperious journey of conquering major challenges separate from the domestic season. I'm curious whether that would justify the "focus was diverted from the league" argument in people's minds.

I agree with you that what actually happened was different than that, even if we might quibble over *how* different.
 
Matt1882 said:
I don't agree with much of what they say, but either O'Hara or Bent were talking about the "one game to save your job" scenario on Talk Sport a few months ago. I can't even remember if it was Ange/Spurs they were talking about tbh.
But the point was it makes no sense. If you're at the point of thinking 1 more game is enough to sack the manager, it's probably time to sack the manager.
It's like being in a terrible relationship. You say to yourself one more argument/affair/assault and I'm out. If you're thinking that, you should already be gone tbh. Talk Sport didn't say that, that's my analogy.
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And I’d generally agree. If it’s a league match at Wolves in February that things hang on, pull the trigger. Now.

But this was more than a match. This was proof we could win a cup. Proof we could win and not bottle it. One of 9 managers in almost 150 years to do it. It’s got to be taken into account and got to be deemed more important than “one result”.
 
AberdeenYid said:
And I’d generally agree. If it’s a league match at Wolves in February that things hang on, pull the trigger. Now.

But this was more than a match. This was proof we could win a cup. Proof we could win and not bottle it. One of 9 managers in almost 150 years to do it. It’s got to be taken into account and got to be deemed more important than “one result”.
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It's also four results in that "do or die" sense. He'd have been gone the next morning if we'd lost to AZ, Frankfurt, Bodo, or United.
 
FightingIllini said:
Just wondering. Like there's a world in which we look at the full Europa League campaign as this imperious journey of conquering major challenges separate from the domestic season. I'm curious whether that would justify the "focus was diverted from the league" argument in people's minds.

I agree with you that what actually happened was different than that, even if we might quibble over *how* different.
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It would make more sense to have had to divert league attention if we were playing stronger teams, yes. We shouldn't need to throw away league games to beat AZ or Bodo, but we did.
 
AberdeenYid said:
And I’d generally agree. If it’s a league match at Wolves in February that things hang on, pull the trigger. Now.

But this was more than a match. This was proof we could win a cup. Proof we could win and not bottle it. One of 9 managers in almost 150 years to do it. It’s got to be taken into account and got to be deemed more important than “one result”.
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I don't think the games we won to win the Europa league were done so because Ange is special in any way shape or form.
People are having their opinion skewed by his wins at other clubs for one. Wins in Australia, Japan and Scotland with Celtic. None of those compare to the PL.
They're also heavily ignoring the lengths we went to in order to win the Europa league. Literally leaving the likes of Romero and VDV out of the starting 11 for weeks on end, even Vicario etc missed games too. No other manager has done that at Spurs. So no other manager has been in that position.
 
dmize1 said:
What's strange to me is that some people can't seem separate the enormous accomplishment of winning the EL and the decision of who is the best to manage us in 2025-26.

I am ecstatic that Ange brought us the trophy. No matter how it got done, it got done and I am forever grateful to him.

But, much like when a League 1 level striker helps get you promotion to the Championship, you still need to upgrade for the next season.

For 2025-26, we simply can't have the manager that couldn't handle both the PL and competing in a lower level European competition at the same time be the man at the helm for now doing the same thing but in a higher level competition. He may have been the best person for last season, but that in no way makes him the best person for the upcoming season. He's shown his limits and now we need to thank him and move forward, he's proven he can't do both. We're Tottenham, we should be competing everywhere.
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Nailed it.
 
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