I used to read your posts with interest. Very rarely agreed with them to be honest but they used to make me chuckle. But your blind loyalty to Ange reminds me of some of the Portuguese Jose fanboys and their absolute devotion to the man above the good of the club. You seem to be going down that route with Ange. Give your head a wobble Harry. We are all over the moon with the Europa League in the bag but at what point were you really thinking to yourself during our one point per game calamitous league season that Ange has earned our respect? It was about time that the footballing Gods smiled down on us in a cup competition for once. Ange got lucky and deep down he knows it.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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BIG DIFFERENCE
Conte wins leagues and fails in Europe narrative is not entirely full & accurate
| Club | Season | Competition | Stage Reached | League Finish |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Juventus | 2012–13 | CL | Quarter-finals | 1st (Serie A) |
| 2013–14 | CL | Group Stage | 1st (Serie A) | |
| 2013–14 | EL | Semi-finals | 1st (Serie A) | |
| Chelsea | 2017–18 | CL | Round of 16 | 5th (PL) |
| Inter Milan | 2019–20 | CL | Group Stage | 2nd (Serie A) |
| 2019–20 | EL | Final (Runners-up) | 2nd (Serie A) | |
| 2020–21 | CL | Group Stage | 1st (Serie A) | |
| Tottenham Hotspur | 2021–22 | Conf L | Group Stage | 4th (PL) |
Conte wins leagues but fails to win trophy in Europe is more accurate.
Its not like Ange where its one or other. Conte team does compete in multiple competition and they did go deep into tournaments when the team was good. We could have gone ahead too had it not been for covid and our tie awarded to Rennes in Conference league final game.
It was more about principles of play than effectiveness or even aesthetics.
Levy wanted the academy to coach players to be aggressive and creative in possession and Conte/Stellini/Mason were trotting out a team scared to do anything but tap the ball backwards.
Ange has changed that, and again, that will be to Frank or Iraola or whomever's benefit.
My whole point here is that now that those things have been crossed off the list, the requirements have changed, and it's about who is right to accomplish the things we need NOW.
I mean sort of but match going fans weren't singing his name from sort of mid-December to Bilbao if we're talking about the real world, even in the wins. Obviously fans were happy after the final but realistically I don't think you can describe Ange as a popular manager. To still split opinion after winning a European final says it all.
We've gone from tapping it backwards to tapping it side to side in a semicircle of doom around the opposition penalty area instead, joy of joys. No manager is benefitting from Ange's time here because they will need to address so many basic footballing principles that simply have not been coached by this manager. Our defensive shape and pressing in particular is fucking woeful, looks like an under 12s team sometimes everyone just chasing the ball abandoning their field position and leaving acres of space in behind them.
There’s a lot of revisionist history being written since Ange suggested he deliberately binned the league I find.
Pochettino had us anywhere between 2nd and 6th and within the same time frames has us in a champions league final, league cup final and a few semi’s. People shout “but did he win them?” And of course he didn’t, but it does put to bed this idea that you can’t go deep in the cups and finish high in the league.
Mourinho didn’t finish as high in less time, but we still made it to a cup final which he was wrongly sacked just before.
We’ve gone down a weird road where Ange says something and it becomes the absolute truth for some. He mentions he had to abandon the league to win a cup, but I’ve no doubt other managers could have won this particular Europa league, AND finished higher than 17th.
All the thanks for the trophy, but the way people will rewrite history to make what he says true just astounds me to be honest
Those arguing for Postecoglou to stay, aren't really putting anything of note or detail.
It's mostly emotional as I see it.
That he's got us winning stuff with progressive football is the Biggest pile of poo among the steaming biggest piles of steaming poo that is 'Angeball '
At Spurs where we have no squad depth, we simply can't do both. All other previous managers we've had have binned off the cups and went all out for the league.
If Spurs make 4 or 5 changes then we are down to a weakened team. VDV to Davies, Son to werner, Vicario to Forster... so we choose where we play the weak team.
Harry, Poch, Mourinho and Conte all rotated in the cups and went out early. We've never done both. We don't have the squad to do what your describing. We never have and never will.
Frank's, Silva, Iraola or whoever will have to rotate somewhere. And when they do results will drop off.
Just not true though, no matter how many times you parrot it. 4 Finals in those 17 years, you can't be binning off a cup if you're in the final of it, not how it works I'm afraid. Blame Levy for the lack of strength in depth, yes, but stop slagging off former managers accusing them of binning off cups that they frequently went to semi finals or finals in, it doesn't make any fucking sense.
This is done to death. Fully boring. Killed time in the wait for Levy to dither but nobody is changing their mind either way at this point.
Good thread if you're bored tbh
It's utter rubbish. Anges most effective lie. He did not bin off anything the form collapsed and after Romero VDV botched return he simply cowardly bet everything on thd Europa.
It was. Now the boredom thread is boring
I mean that's all fine, but Conte got that reputation by
1. Having now won the league with a team not in Europe three times at three different clubs
2. Finishing behind Galatasaray to get dumped out in the CL group stage with a historic Juve team that put up the best season in the history of the Italian top flight
3. Finishing last in a group behind Shakhtar Donetsk and Borussia Monchengladbach to bomb out of Europe entirely with an Inter Milan side that coasted to another Serie A title
There aren't many other managers with so sharp a distinction between their league and cup success.
Admin should just close all the Ange threads for the lols
This might blow your mind but we made multiple finals and semi-finals whilst finishing high in the league, even including a CL final whilst finishing in the top 4.
This blatant lie exposes your fundamental truth, the reason you've rounded on any potential different manager because you desperately want the incumbent to stay.
This doesn't just go for you, there's plenty in here spouting off about Brentford apparently being a club that should win things for example. It all boils down to the same thing, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
"You've got me all wrong, I don't think Ange should stay, buuuuuttttt {bullshit reason why he should be given a chance ad nauseum}"
You haven't got the minerals to stand by your desire, instead you hide behind digs at previous managers and digs at potential managers, none of whom to my knowledge have finished 17th or lost 22 games in one league season.
Might as well close the transfer thread until mid-August too
Shall we just shut the site down altogether?