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Management So (hypothetically) who replaces Ange then?
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My incredibly boring and pedantic view on Frank is identical to my incredibly boring and pedantic view on Ange
I really would like to hear from them about how exactly they would attack the challenge of next season's PL/CL gauntlet at a tactical/player rotational level and what the transfer needs are to do so successfully.
Neither guy has ever really faced this. What's the plan?
I really would like to hear from them about how exactly they would attack the challenge of next season's PL/CL gauntlet at a tactical/player rotational level and what the transfer needs are to do so successfully.
Neither guy has ever really faced this. What's the plan?
Ange faced it this year….except against worst comp. Look how it worked in the league.
Huh? You might have to explain that.
If you mean "66 points would have got us CL this season", then the causality gets messy but both Newcastle and Villa got 66 this year and villa missed out because of newcastle's far superior +21 GD. So not quite that clear cut.
Here's the other way of looking at it - if Ange got 40 points after the first 10 games this season, we'd have finished on 56 level with bournemouth and brentford. I'm not sure it really requires much analysis, but without any european football and injury crisis, that is about the peak.
If they are going to do it, they have to do it with some spine and ambition
Xavi
Hoeness
That would be my list from the names I can think of. Inzaghi is off the table now
Xavi
Hoeness
That would be my list from the names I can think of. Inzaghi is off the table now
A real sniffer is old Bazali.
SURELY to be resolved today? ...
Guy lives up people's bumcracks because he doesn't have a mind of his own.
It’s gonna be Frank.
Wish Levy would just announce it so we can move on + start strengthening the squad.
What I think Frank will sort out quickly is our away form in the league. We’ll be able to sit deeper and we have some players who are very good on transition.
My worry is at home. The home crowd will not tolerate sitting and counter. They want us to be on the front foot and taking it to teams. So that’s the balance he’s gonna have to strike.
My worry is at home. The home crowd will not tolerate sitting and counter. They want us to be on the front foot and taking it to teams. So that’s the balance he’s gonna have to strike.
Were Xavi & Hoeness even ON the table?
Imagine if it's NOT?!
Were Xavi & Hoeness even ON the table?
Imagine if it's NOT?!
Xavi is unemployed and openly courting PL interest
Hoeness just signed a contract but we could get him now we have CL football
It should be possible for a manager at a midtable PL team to go to a bigger club and change his style. Play differently depending on the opposition and the players in his team. Change depending on home and away matches. I mean, they are not 19th century german philosophers, its not as if they have swore their whole career on one style of football being the universally right way of playing.
Thomas Frank has made Brentford an established PL team which on their day can beat everyone. He, and and other managers in the same position, got to be able to change and adopt if they go to a bigger club.
40 points after 10 games? That’s an amazing record! Got to keep him.
Jesus miracle type levels of management.
If he can do that.
I’m Ange in.
Levy could put him to work in the south stand feeding 60k with 10 pizzas.
And I’ve also got 1000 bottles of mineral water he can turn into wine while he’s at it.
Personally I thought of Xavi as soon as talk of us wanting a new manager came up.
Out of work, and absolutely raring to go again (per recent interviews)
Managed in one of the most high pressure clubs on the planet, at a time where they were under extreme pressure too - and did a good job - so should be able to take on a club like ours.
And schooled in the positional play ways at the very best place for it - so should offer football that is easy on the eye.
What I particularly liked about his time at Barca was that it wasnt just tikki-takka for the sake of it, suffocate the opponent to death stuff - it was more direct - something I think could suit the PL.
After that, realising Paratici was inbound, I then thought of Farioli. Another free, a fellow Italian (Paratici loves to shop at home), fits the "up and coming" bill, and is DeZerbi-ish without being DeZerbi ...
Young, which of course feels risky. And not experienced at this level, another risk.
Interesting thing with him - when looking into his play style - its actually quite Angeballesque - but with a greater focus on defending properly.
Which suddenly made a bit of sense of that idea as well - plays a similar shape, happy for fullbacks to invert, wants to press high and force turnovers - but also likes to piss about at the back and invite teams on to then play into the space created, but....
...crucially has his team defend a lot better than we do.
Which feels like a pretty natural transition from what Ange has done.
Not really advocating for Farioli, but thats the logic I see in it. Feels like a real gamble that one.
Then all the talk of Frank. First impressions, not that inspiring. However, the more thought I give it the more Im ok with the idea. He has shown an ability to reshape how Brentford play numerous times. To adapt and evolve, which I think is the key part in having someone step up to a job like this.
In the championship and aggressive 433, highly attacking style (most goals the year they came up). In the premiership a more pragmatic low block/counter attacking style - until they were able to grow into the league. Now they press high, man to man, try to have more of the ball than they have before, and fall into a compact defensive unit when needed. And he consistently gets a decent amount of goals out of whoever he has upfront. I mean, its not the most exciting stuff - but the level of organisation and adaptation in that Brentford side, with the talent available here, could make for a high performing team.
Out of work, and absolutely raring to go again (per recent interviews)
Managed in one of the most high pressure clubs on the planet, at a time where they were under extreme pressure too - and did a good job - so should be able to take on a club like ours.
And schooled in the positional play ways at the very best place for it - so should offer football that is easy on the eye.
What I particularly liked about his time at Barca was that it wasnt just tikki-takka for the sake of it, suffocate the opponent to death stuff - it was more direct - something I think could suit the PL.
After that, realising Paratici was inbound, I then thought of Farioli. Another free, a fellow Italian (Paratici loves to shop at home), fits the "up and coming" bill, and is DeZerbi-ish without being DeZerbi ...
Young, which of course feels risky. And not experienced at this level, another risk.
Interesting thing with him - when looking into his play style - its actually quite Angeballesque - but with a greater focus on defending properly.
Which suddenly made a bit of sense of that idea as well - plays a similar shape, happy for fullbacks to invert, wants to press high and force turnovers - but also likes to piss about at the back and invite teams on to then play into the space created, but....
...crucially has his team defend a lot better than we do.
Which feels like a pretty natural transition from what Ange has done.
Not really advocating for Farioli, but thats the logic I see in it. Feels like a real gamble that one.
Then all the talk of Frank. First impressions, not that inspiring. However, the more thought I give it the more Im ok with the idea. He has shown an ability to reshape how Brentford play numerous times. To adapt and evolve, which I think is the key part in having someone step up to a job like this.
In the championship and aggressive 433, highly attacking style (most goals the year they came up). In the premiership a more pragmatic low block/counter attacking style - until they were able to grow into the league. Now they press high, man to man, try to have more of the ball than they have before, and fall into a compact defensive unit when needed. And he consistently gets a decent amount of goals out of whoever he has upfront. I mean, its not the most exciting stuff - but the level of organisation and adaptation in that Brentford side, with the talent available here, could make for a high performing team.
I guess this is a touch of the pedantic humour, but the wording was "got 40 points after the first 10 games". Not "had 40 points" or "40 points from". So if we want to make it the educational pedantic:
That's the difference in possessive verbs; "Got" is past tense for something than needs to be obtained, and "had" is past tense for something that was already possessed.
e.g. "I got hammered after work" doesn't mean your job made you drunk
The question mark is is he particularly good at coaching and setting up a team to play an intricate possession game though? He doesn’t do it with Brentford in the PL, although you could argue it’s because he doesn’t think they have the talent to do it. Some say he did in the Champ with them though.
