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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 72 64.3%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.7%
  • Total voters
    112
Harrier said:
It’s widely recognised that the number and intensity of sprints per football game contribute massively to hamstring injuries.
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Be careful with widely recognized. I know how to read those studies and I’ve read a few. We aren’t dealing with a settled science here and there are plenty of teams and players with intense sprints who didn’t have the chaos to handle that we did.

It’s waaaaay more nuanced than that
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
This is all true, but is the pragmatism in the Europa League final with all our creative midfielders injured a sign he was learning?

I think people are underestimating the damage the Ange sacking has done to the momentum of the club and the feel good factor of winning the Europa league.
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What momentum? The Europa League momentum? We're not playing in EL next season so it's of new use. In CL we will play proper clubs and be hammered. Ange couldn't even beat Leicester. How can he be expected to beat the big boys?

As for the momentum in PL, it was probably on par with Ipswich and Leicester. Even Man U finished on a high beating Villa in the last game.

But losing game after game is some kind of momentum too I suppose.
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
This is all true, but is the pragmatism in the Europa League final with all our creative midfielders injured a sign he was learning?

I think people are underestimating the damage the Ange sacking has done to the momentum of the club and the feel good factor of winning the Europa league.
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In our last 12 PL games we only won one game, and that's against Southampton. There was no momentum.
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
This is all true, but is the pragmatism in the Europa League final with all our creative midfielders injured a sign he was learning?

I think people are underestimating the damage the Ange sacking has done to the momentum of the club and the feel good factor of winning the Europa league.
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You'd hope that it would be, but he hasn't shown it in the league.

European trophies are not reflective of league strengths. There's a reason why you get teams like Sevilla winning it 5 times in the last 12 seasons, but struggling to stay in the top 4 of La Liga. You can put together different styles and you're playing at a different pace to the PL.

That might be why he, not once, put that tactical approach towards the league results. The EL arguably served to just be the false hope that we might see some change in the league, but you could just as well believe he had a twin that managed league games because we'd follow up a good EL result with a league game that was abject. It is probably also the reason why we struggled so much in the final against a PL team - a poor one, but luckily one with the expectation of losing against us.

I've mentioned before that some pragmatism in the 2nd leg of the League Cup semi was definitely called for but never came.
 
SausageVince said:
Thanks for a post that isn't just insults. Appreciate it.

Ok, so here's my nuance.

Had we prioritised league results despite the disastrous injuries we would maybe have finished between 8th and 12th. Instead he rotated and protected key players to get us through the Europa League knock outs. I agree with his strategy there given the context of known resources.

This season the injury crisis meant we had to blood youth to an extent we hadn't planned for. The benefits of that will not be seen for some time (possibly next year but definitely in years to come). The last remnants of the Loch era left the squad in Ange's first year, or they showed signs of age and decline. Due to the recruitment of youth (something I'm not opposed to) we had a perfect storm of lack of depth, experience, and fitness availability. I don't think Ange was the root cause of that.

He has evidently installed a winning mentality and a squad cohesion, perhaps a siege mentality, that I felt would become an irresistible force if the club supplemented it with decent quality recruitment this summer.

Your counterfactual is irrelevant because it didn't happen, but I'll indulge it.

Had he lost against Man United I think I would have been open to a change of manager and a new start. I would have felt sorry for Ange because I think he was dealt a difficult hand (fans used to challenging for champions league football, a great striker departing, an exodus of aging experience including many leaders), but I would have understood and moved on.

That did not happen though. We did win the Europa League. Ange's insistence on following his approach to the competition while balancing the pressure he was receiving from the press and club hierarchy is what delivered the trophy.

It was our first meaningful trophy since 1991 and vital in changing the club culture and outside perception, but yesterday we fired him.
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Thanks for a post that isn't just insults. Appreciate it. Your welcome, been a fair few years since I was 14 years old!

protected key players! Not sure he did? Rushed back Romero and VDV for the Chelsea game in trying to save his own skin and that back fired.
Due to the recruitment of youth. Arguably the youth you refer to, I'm guessing Bergvall and Gray were 2 of our best players this campaign!
He has evidently installed a winning mentality. We lost 22 league games this season and scrapped through the FA cup tie against Tamworth and was royally dumped out of the EFL Cup by Liverpool 4-1. I saw less than a handful convincing performances in The EL, including the final.

This is on top of his double standards and hypocrisy in press conferences, and for me his obvious distain for a core group of our supporters. Maybe for another day!

You admit had Ange not delivered The EL trophy you would have been "open to a change", so I have to assume you wanted Ange to remain in charge because of this one, granted huge, thing and happy to dismiss the other stats/facts that I feel are the reasons I wanted him gone.

Sausage Vince! Like you alluded to we are having (I hope) a sensible debate and you have made your point(s) eloquently and I hope I have too, and I genuinely don't know who is in the bigger camp, so I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree regards Ange.
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
This is all true, but is the pragmatism in the Europa League final with all our creative midfielders injured a sign he was learning?

I think people are underestimating the damage the Ange sacking has done to the momentum of the club and the feel good factor of winning the Europa league.
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It may have been. But if the pragmatism is just shutting up shop and just defending for our lives after going 1-0 up every game then that's not really any good either. To me. That one game which was my best night supporting the club came through and absolute sea of liquid shite that was last season. It didn't stand out to me as a reason to keep him on.

I think the reason the players are unhappy is that he seems to have given them a free ride for the most part. I don't buy this whole 'players playing for him' narrative. They lost more games across the whole season than they won. That's not playing for the manager imo. You can't say any of these players would run through brick walls for anyone but themselves. The Europa win has papered over some huge cracks for some of you on here. Things were not going to improve.
 
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