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Transfers The Summer Transfer Thread 2025

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I see we are being linked with Richard Rios. Is he a 6 or an 8?

Watching some of his highlight vids on YouTube I can see why he is being compared to Dembele.
From the little I’ve seen of him he’s a box to box player. I watch a little Brazilian football as I’m an Atletico Mineiro fan since staying with the brother of a friend of mine in Belo Horizonte during the 2024 WC. He’s a big AM supporter and goes to all their home games. I have only seen Palmieras a couple of times however
 
Obviously there are other factors but if you know that one of those factors is evidenced and statistically significant, you are always swimming against the tide if you try to beat the trend as well as getting the other factors right.

Of course, but there is enough evidence to show that you can

1) spend the most on the 'whole transfers' and win next to nothing.....

2) not spend the most on the 'whole transfers' and win things

Liverpool, statistically based on these significant factors, had absolutely no right to win the prem - their squad value and wages pale in comparison to 3 other teams at least.

In fact, no one even comes close to Man City so all anyone can do, and I mean anyone, is rely on the other factors. Woolwich, Man U, Chelsea have tried to spend their way into competing and to no avail. Woolwich have obviously come the closest out of those 3 but they arguably came the closest before spending money on Rice and Havertz.

So yes - spend more - finish higher - its a good rule of thumb.

But if you want to compete with Man City the most statistically significant data shows you have to do much, much more than just spend the second or 3rd amount of money, because Liverpool, who are the team that has consistently beaten them to title most regularly, don't compete with them on finances or transfers ever.
 
Of course, but there is enough evidence to show that you can

1) spend the most on the 'whole transfers' and win next to nothing.....

2) not spend the most on the 'whole transfers' and win things

Liverpool, statistically based on these significant factors, had absolutely no right to win the prem - their squad value and wages pale in comparison to 3 other teams at least.

In fact, no one even comes close to Man City so all anyone can do, and I mean anyone, is rely on the other factors. Woolwich, Man U, Chelsea have tried to spend their way into competing and to no avail. Woolwich have obviously come the closest out of those 3 but they arguably came the closest before spending money on Rice and Havertz.

So yes - spend more - finish higher - its a good rule of thumb.

But if you want to compete with Man City the most statistically significant data shows you have to do much, much more than just spend the second or 3rd amount of money, because Liverpool, who are the team that has consistently beaten them to title most regularly, don't compete with them on finances or transfers ever.

Said it 1000 times before.... A chequebook battle leaves Spurs 5th - 7th every season (and in the dust having historicaly never had CL income). Therefore anything significant requires more bang for our buck and a manager that has us punching above our weight.

The gobshite malcontents are in denial of that fact and instead prattle on about our wealth compared to other clubs in Europe and even NFL clubs.
 
Liverpool looking to offload Darwin for 40-50m (and I reckon it’ll be nearer 40). If you take “tap ins” out of the equation, this guy does everything else pretty damn well. Presses really well, great engine, great movement, quick strong, technically decent. Can play across the front 3. Despite missing sitters, the guy was still a 1 in 2 gpg last year.

Also maybe Luis Diaz is on the list too. Wouldn’t turn my nose up.
 
Of course, but there is enough evidence to show that you can

1) spend the most on the 'whole transfers' and win next to nothing.....

2) not spend the most on the 'whole transfers' and win things

Liverpool, statistically based on these significant factors, had absolutely no right to win the prem - their squad value and wages pale in comparison to 3 other teams at least.

In fact, no one even comes close to Man City so all anyone can do, and I mean anyone, is rely on the other factors. Woolwich, Man U, Chelsea have tried to spend their way into competing and to no avail. Woolwich have obviously come the closest out of those 3 but they arguably came the closest before spending money on Rice and Havertz.

So yes - spend more - finish higher - its a good rule of thumb.

But if you want to compete with Man City the most statistically significant data shows you have to do much, much more than just spend the second or 3rd amount of money, because Liverpool, who are the team that has consistently beaten them to title most regularly, don't compete with them on finances or transfers ever.
Liverpool do have a right based on wages to be in the top 3.

And if you look at total player budget in terms of full transfer costs and total wage bill, they aren’t bucking any trend, they are very much in line with it but nailed the other factors to win the extra 10% to get over the line.

Think about a trend line with teams dotted on either side of the line as it angles up from left to right. Liverpool aren’t Leicester as the lone freak team on the top left of the chart, they are on the trend line but slightly above it.

We were going nowhere here because you seem determined not to understand this.
 
Liverpool looking to offload Darwin for 40-50m (and I reckon it’ll be nearer 40). If you take “tap ins” out of the equation, this guy does everything else pretty damn well. Presses really well, great engine, great movement, quick strong, technically decent. Can play across the front 3. Despite missing sitters, the guy was still a 1 in 2 gpg last year.

Also maybe Luis Diaz is on the list too. Wouldn’t turn my nose up.

Wouldn’t touch either of them and hopefully they struggle to shift both and that Wirtz transfer weighs them down for the next 5 years.
 
Liverpool looking to offload Darwin for 40-50m (and I reckon it’ll be nearer 40). If you take “tap ins” out of the equation, this guy does everything else pretty damn well. Presses really well, great engine, great movement, quick strong, technically decent. Can play across the front 3. Despite missing sitters, the guy was still a 1 in 2 gpg last year.

Also maybe Luis Diaz is on the list too. Wouldn’t turn my nose up.
Darwin really is a weird one and I think for 40m he is worth trying to get. As you say, he does so many things really well, his positional play is top notch, creates lots of chances and he could have a big season in him.
 
Darwin would be a huge upgrade on Richarlison in every facet, and would cover all the same bases, back up 9, back up WF, works his nuts off, quicker, moves with the ball better. And is half price and cheaper than Richarlison was.

Every facet except the most important one for a striker of finishing.

Richy is better at hold up, he’s a more intelligent player and better at winning duels. I rate Richy as a better passer too.

Darwin has a better fitness record but other than that he’s a busted flush at PL level. He just can’t make decisions at the elite level because the game moves to fast for him.
 
Darwin really is a weird one and I think for 40m he is worth trying to get. As you say, he does so many things really well, his positional play is top notch, creates lots of chances and he could have a big season in him.
For 40m I would take him in a heartbeat. Not going to happen while we have Solanke though. Darwin’s best performances will be for some other club most likely.
 
Liverpool do have a right based on wages to be in the top 3.

And if you look at total player budget in terms of full transfer costs and total wage bill, they aren’t bucking any trend, they are very much in line with it but nailed the other factors to win the extra 10% to get over the line.

Think about a trend line with teams dotted on either side of the line as it angles up from left to right. Liverpool aren’t Leicester as the lone freak team on the top left of the chart, they are on the trend line but slightly above it.

We were going nowhere here because you seem determined not to understand this.

You cannot talk about statistical analysis and then say something like 'Liverpool have the right to be in the top 3' when they fall outside of your general hypothesis by some way

According to this, we are closer to Liverpool in wages than they are to City, United, Chelsea & Woolwich.

SO the other factors you're talking about here are clearly significant enough to make up nearly 80mil in annual expenditure on wages on City - that is pretty significant IMHO.


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Liverpool looking to offload Darwin for 40-50m (and I reckon it’ll be nearer 40). If you take “tap ins” out of the equation, this guy does everything else pretty damn well. Presses really well, great engine, great movement, quick strong, technically decent. Can play across the front 3. Despite missing sitters, the guy was still a 1 in 2 gpg last year.

Also maybe Luis Diaz is on the list too. Wouldn’t turn my nose up.

Darwin Nunez is garbage
 
You cannot talk about statistical analysis and then say something like 'Liverpool have the right to be in the top 3' when they fall outside of your general hypothesis by some way

According to this, we are closer to Liverpool in wages than they are to City, United, Chelsea & Woolwich.

SO the other factors you're talking about here are clearly significant enough to make up nearly 80mil in annual expenditure on wages on City - that is pretty significant IMHO.


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We are also closer to Bournemouth in 17th than we are Woolwich.

Data analysis doesn’t work from eyeballing it and focusing on the individual case. Just accept this isn’t a debate suited to the way you think, it more of an objective thing mate. Doesn’t mean you are 100% wrong in your own subjective way of looking at things just means it’s not your type of debate.
 
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