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Quite right. Spurs trajectory is upwards - but they have built slowly, prioritizing financial stability and infrastructure over short term footballing performance.

Yes and no, I'd say. I don't think the footballing performance was that short term, tbh. Like I said, we were in the Top 6 the entire decade of the 2010s, one of three clubs who can say that, and coming in the Top 4 in 6 of those seasons.

We've consistently been one of the best teams in the land for quite a while now, and while we remember each heartbreak, we've been in 4 finals in the last 10 years, finally winning one last season as we sacrificed league form to do so. Kinda like in 2008 and 1999 when we fell down to 11th but won the League Cup, or 1991 where we lifted the FA Cup but tumbled to 10th that year in the league. Hell, even in '84 we came 8th.

Seems it's the Tottenham way to drop down the league table in order to win some silverware. Personally, I prefer us being in the Top 4 but missing out on the League Cup, because in today's era that's the yardstick of status in the game, but certainly it was great to watch us equal the glory of 1984 (especially as it saved our season by getting us back into the CL).

Funny how it didn't stop the moaning though, eh? Almost as if the people who bemoan our lack of silverware every year and say that Top 4 means nothing are suddenly pointing out how awful our league position is, despite being given the exact thing they claim to measure success by.

Almost as if they're all sulking on the internet, whining about things they don't really understand (such as management of a football club) while most Spurs fans simply get on with their summer and touch some grass.

Spurs are still trying to build a reputation on the world stage. We all like to think of Spurs as a 'big club' but, in the Premier League era, Spurs haven't earnt that reputation since they were perpetual 'runners up'.

But sadly that's historical, too. We haven't come close to winning the league since the early 60s, in an utterly different era of football, but the closest we've come since then was under ENIC's watch. This is why I don't understand the perpetual moaners acting as they 'care about the club' because they think they're used to Spurs being bigger than we are. The fact that we've become thought as as one of the big boys at all (to be able to tagalong in the Super League breakaway) is thanks largely to the house that Levy built.

The last few years personally I feel the club lost their way, appointing glitzy names like Jose and Conte for being 'winners', and generously applying that title to Ange too. Levy went with the voices of dipshits on the internet, whining and crying out for such 'winners' to be appointed as a show of ambition, and they've mostly ruined the fine team that Poch led.

The best players don't want to come to Spurs and, hiring Thomas Frank doesn't really help attract top players. We aren't shopping in the same aisle as Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Woolwich, United - who have all earnt their respect and status. We are competing with Newcastle, and to some extent Villa - still trying to be the next successful club.

That's true, we are, and we have to face reality about it. Hiring someone like Frank might not attract the big names, but as you say, we can't anyway until we get back to being a team seen regularly in the Champions League/Top 5. Instead, hiring Frank will hopefully get us back up the table, since that's what he's proven himself to be really good at, even with limited resources.

Will he be another Poch for us, putting us back in the contention we want for the top silverware in the sport, or will he be another Nuno? Can't say yet, but seeing as this is his first week even meeting the squad, I'm inclined towards a touch of patience.

Clearly that's a controversial opinion to those around who think that actual fan support is 'happy clapping'. All I can say is, I'm much happier being my kind of fan than they appear to be as theirs. If there's an equivalent of AFTV among Spurs fans, and the widely-regarding laughing stock that they are, it's the perpetual moaners.
 
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Why would I pay for your season ticket ? What on earth are you talking about ? 😂

What I would do is if a well organized boycott was going to happen & a ST holder couldn’t afford to lose £80 , I’d happily pay for a seat & not turn up

I don’t think camping outside the board members house would do much apart from get the police involved
Trying to help each other out innit, you pay for my ticket not turn up, I'll go instead job done.

As for the police turning up to a peaceful protest, so what? I bet the press would be there filming it as well. Pie in the sky anyway just pointing out if people feel that strongly about showing their feelings towards the cause of their frustration to show the courage of their convictions.
 
The last few years personally I feel the club lost their way, appointing glitzy names like Jose and Conte for being 'winners', and generously applying that title to Ange too. Levy went with the voices of dipshits on the internet, whining and crying out for such 'winners' to be appointed as a show of ambition, and they've mostly ruined the fine team that Poch led.

Hiring Mourinho and Conte seemed like the right thing to take Spurs to the next level - unfortunately, Mourinho wasn't given a decent squad, and had just a handful of players he could trust. Once COVID hit, he lost interest.

Conte on the other hand was backed with some decent players - Romero, Bentancur, Udogie, Porro, Kulu; and of course, Spurs kept hold of Kane for 'one last time'. However, once again, Conte lost interest in the project when he realised, he wouldn't be given an unlimited war chest to build his team.

Yes and no, I'd say. I don't think the footballing performance was that short term, tbh. Like I said, we were in the Top 6 the entire decade of the 2010s, one of three clubs who can say that, and coming in the Top 4 in 6 of those seasons.

We are in a more competitive landscape now. Chelsea, City, Woolwich, Liverpool all in peak form; and Newcastle, Villa trying to join the big boys. United of course could suddenly click at any moment.

In the 2010's we say Chelsea, City, Woolwich, Liverpool go through major rebuilds. Newcastle were battling relegation and Villa were hopeful to be top half. Leicester winning the league show's that Poch's team was playing in probably the easiest Premier League of all time, with no dominant team.
 
Hiring Mourinho and Conte seemed like the right thing to take Spurs to the next level - unfortunately, Mourinho wasn't given a decent squad, and had just a handful of players he could trust. Once COVID hit, he lost interest.

Conte on the other hand was backed with some decent players - Romero, Bentancur, Udogie, Porro, Kulu; and of course, Spurs kept hold of Kane for 'one last time'. However, once again, Conte lost interest in the project when he realised, he wouldn't be given an unlimited war chest to build his team.

I agree about Conte, but Mourinho I simply can't agree with. I think by the time we got him he was past it tactically, which had never been his strong suit to begin with. Mourinho was a cult of personality-type coach who let others plan the drills and tactics, relying on charisma and (genuine) leadership to cover up his lack of personal playing experience. Back in his pomp he was the Special One. But by the time he came to us he had left his last three jobs in disgrace under highly toxic circumstances, and no longer had his mojo.

He had a squad to work with which had reached a CL final the season before, and added Ndombele as our (then) record-signing. I recall even when he was appointed I had a massive sinking feeling in my stomach, as in my mind he was the absolute worst choice to replace Poch, and I don't really think that view was wrong in hindsight. Just my opinion, or maybe my preference in terms of coaching, but if you feel he was hard done-by then we'll have to disagree.

We are in a more competitive landscape now. Chelsea, City, Woolwich, Liverpool all in peak form; and Newcastle, Villa trying to join the big boys. United of course could suddenly click at any moment.

In the 2010's we say Chelsea, City, Woolwich, Liverpool go through major rebuilds. Newcastle were battling relegation and Villa were hopeful to be top half. Leicester winning the league show's that Poch's team was playing in probably the easiest Premier League of all time, with no dominant team.

There may not have been one dominant team over that time, but that's exactly what made it more competitive back then, before the City/Liverpool duopoly. During the 2010s, Chelsea won 3 league titles, United won 2, and City won 4, with Leicester's anomaly sandwiched in there. In addition, United came 2nd another 3 times, City and Liverpool 2 times each, and Chelsea, Spurs and Woolwich all making up the rest.

Seriously, there was only one season in that entire decade where the Top 3 didn't include 2 of either Chelsea, City and United, and three or four of the highest points hauls in PL history happened over that period. Leicester's miracle aside, that was a pretty dominant period for three clubs rotating amongst themselves, which we managed to punch into. I'm still proud of that, and I don't believe it was that easy at all.

As for today, well, it's basically the City and Liverpool show, while Chelsea have scraped into the Champions League and Woolwich might be due for their own tumble back down the table after flattering to deceive for 3 years in a row. Yes, Newcastle have added themselves to the mix, but there's nothing to truly say they're ready to challenge for the title yet, although doubtless with the riches at their disposal their rise is as inevitable as City's was. The only thing we can do is try once again to upset the apple cart of the super-rich, hoping to squeeze in as plucky underdogs.

What else can we do until Levy sells up to Elon Musk?
 
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Trying to help each other out innit, you pay for my ticket not turn up, I'll go instead job done.

As for the police turning up to a peaceful protest, so what? I bet the press would be there filming it as well. Pie in the sky anyway just pointing out if people feel that strongly about showing their feelings towards the cause of their frustration to show the courage of their convictions.

Ahh so you’re part of the problem

Accepting of the way the footballing side is run, why get a player who’ll truly make a difference when you can get a 4th choice on a third of the wage . Submissive towards the way ENIC treat , its fans , some managers & how they drive out our stars through lack of ambition . Complicit in the football being an afterthought , maybe you’re a fan of property ? I don’t know as I can’t say I’ve noticed you before but nothing is going to change when fans are not willing to make a sacrifice, maybe you don’t want change. That’s fair enough , we may stumble upon the odd cup every decade or two 👍
 
Ahh so you’re part of the problem

Accepting of the way the footballing side is run, why get a player who’ll truly make a difference when you can get a 4th choice on a third of the wage . Submissive towards the way ENIC treat , its fans , some managers & how they drive out our stars through lack of ambition . Complicit in the football being an afterthought , maybe you’re a fan of property ? I don’t know as I can’t say I’ve noticed you before but nothing is going to change when fans are not willing to make a sacrifice, maybe you don’t want change. That’s fair enough , we may stumble upon the odd cup every decade or two 👍
This is a great post. Puts into words so much better than I ever could how our fans seem happy to be taken advantage of, happy to be used and abused by the owners who are getting richer at their expense, and always looking to justify their prioritisation of non-footballing ambition.

I know the term often gets thrown around in jest, but there really is a footballing version of Stockholm Syndrome prevailing within our fanbase.
 
Whilst the stadium is full, the club shop tills are ringing, the concerts are sold out, and Levy is in charge, nothing will change. If you go to games and spend money in the club shop / bars, then do not expect change. The problem is that if you stop going someone else will go in your place. Maybe a die hard fan, but more likely a tourist. All clubs would like to cut back on season ticket holders and sell more tickets to day trippers looking for the full experience and who will spend a lot more money. Buy programmes, buy a replica kit, do the stadium tour or sky walk in the morning. Levy / ENIC did not invest in Tottenham to win trophies. They invested to make hundreds of millions, if not billions of pounds.
 
This is a great post. Puts into words so much better than I ever could how our fans seem happy to be taken advantage of, happy to be used and abused by the owners who are getting richer at their expense, and always looking to justify their prioritisation of non-footballing ambition.

I know the term often gets thrown around in jest, but there really is a footballing version of Stockholm Syndrome prevailing within our fanbase.

Y'know, your highly logical arguments have finally swayed me, and now I believe I see the light since you put it so masterfully.

I get it now. You're the real fans. You're the ones really looking out for the club and its fortunes. You don't need anything like irrefutable facts or data, as your expertise has clearly come from long years working within the industry which is modern football, and your insights are obviously gleaned from the common sense of the wider Spurs fandom; after all, your poll says that a whopping 84.7% of respondents from this forum are Levy Out. Truly, you are the voice of the people.

I have no doubt now that when you commit yourselves and your obvious majority to the task ahead, you will bring Daniel the Thief to his knees with the fury of your boycott. A whole 326 seats will be empty, and the silence will be deafening. The message clear. The consequences unavoidable now for the bald fraud. Finally, justice shall be served, and ENIC OUT's 20-year campaign against the chairman (which until now had seemed rather misguided since it kept being wrong about everything it claimed) will finally be validated.

My eyes have been opened. No longer do I cleave to my former master, who held me in thrall as I embraced his abuse and captivity. I am committed to the cause, and I too shall endeavour to pay for a ticket so that it may remain empty in my outrage. I said 326? No. Not on my watch. It will be 327.

Thank you for being the heroes we've all needed. Your steadfast dedication to basing your self-esteem and emotional stability upon the fortunes of a sports team are an example to us all of what we can become if we truly commit to the cause.

I await news of the Great Mission. Godspeed, and FOYL*



*that's short for Fuck Off You Levy. It's like a clever play on the whole COYS thing, because it insults Levy in the most generic and meaningless way. I came up with it myself, but you can use it if you run short on slogans, okay? I'm here to help.
 
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If some people really aren't that bothered about Levy and ENIC and have far more important things going on in their lives, why do they spend so much time posting on this thread?!


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If some people really aren't that bothered about Levy and ENIC and have far more important things going on in their lives, why do they spend so much time posting on this thread?!


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To be fair, most posters also post about other topics on other threads too - players they like / don't like, managers, performances, potential transfers, whether that was a penalty or not, etc - there are only a very few posters who ONLY post about Levy / ENIC and nothing else, and they are all on one side of the argument... for them it truly is an obsession. ;)
 
Ahh so you’re part of the problem

Accepting of the way the footballing side is run, why get a player who’ll truly make a difference when you can get a 4th choice on a third of the wage . Submissive towards the way ENIC treat , its fans , some managers & how they drive out our stars through lack of ambition . Complicit in the football being an afterthought , maybe you’re a fan of property ? I don’t know as I can’t say I’ve noticed you before but nothing is going to change when fans are not willing to make a sacrifice, maybe you don’t want change. That’s fair enough , we may stumble upon the odd cup every decade or two 👍
I think my work here is done.
 
To be fair, most posters also post about other topics on other threads too - players they like / don't like, managers, performances, potential transfers, whether that was a penalty or not, etc - there are only a very few posters who ONLY post about Levy / ENIC and nothing else, and they are all on one side of the argument... for them it truly is an obsession. ;)

And it isn't confined to the Levy / ENIC thread, either. Can't even be bothered trying to read the Summer Transfer thread half the time, since every couple of hours there are 9 new pages worth of posts, with maybe 3 or 4 comments across those pages actually offering any news or insight into the actual transfer business. The rest of the 9 pages is filled with sarcastic, repetitive remarks about Levy.

Is it a cult? It's beginning to feel like a cult...
 
And it isn't confined to the Levy / ENIC thread, either. Can't even be bothered trying to read the Summer Transfer thread half the time, since every couple of hours there are 9 new pages worth of posts, with maybe 3 or 4 comments across those pages actually offering any news or insight into the actual transfer business. The rest of the 9 pages is filled with sarcastic, repetitive remarks about Levy.

Is it a cult? It's beginning to feel like a cult...
Indeed. If only we could all agree that we are only going to post things that are a). new (in terms of being said by us), and b). directly relevant to the thread, then this whole place would be so much more useful and enjoyable. Take the transfer thread for example - we already know that numerous people believe that Levy won't pay high enough transfer fees and/or wages, so why do they have to keep saying it again and again? I wish that thread could, as you suggest, be limited to conversations about potential players coming in or going out, the merits and demerits of those players for us, potential prices etc, without having to keep resorting to repeating the same old shit.

RE: Cults, I criticised someone a few weeks ago for calling those defending the board the 'Levy cult', on the basis that I bet he could not name a single person on this forum who has nothing bad to say about Levy / ENIC (he could not), that those who defend the board do also have criticisms, so do at least have some balance, and that the posters he was accusing actually make comments about all sorts of other Spurs-related topics all over the forum, so are not obsessed with that one topic. It is not true of everyone on the other side though - there are a few posters who ONLY post about Levy / ENIC (and on every thread, annoyingly), they never talk about anything else. Now that level of obsession really is cult-like...

Their leader is an odd one - some people call him a Gooner, but I don't think that's the case at all. Others say that he just wants to be 'right', but I don't think that's his driver either. I think he is and always was a Spurs fan, but his hatred of ENIC / Levy is now far greater than his love of Spurs to such an extent that he wants us to fail so that ENIC and Levy fail. And as I say, I don't think that's just so he can say he was 'right', I genuniely think it's based on a pure hatred that started out as arguably justifiable to some degree at least, but has become a totally irrational obsession far more important to him than the club itself. Very odd. :/
 
Indeed. If only we could all agree that we are only going to post things that are a). new (in terms of being said by us), and b). directly relevant to the thread, then this whole place would be so much more useful and enjoyable. Take the transfer thread for example - we already know that numerous people believe that Levy won't pay high enough transfer fees and/or wages, so why do they have to keep saying it again and again? I wish that thread could, as you suggest, be limited to conversations about potential players coming in or going out, the merits and demerits of those players for us, potential prices etc, without having to keep resorting to repeating the same old shit.

I mean, I'm not a censorship or limitations kinda guy, but it sure does become boring to try and sift through.

RE: Cults, I criticised someone a few weeks ago for calling those defending the board the 'Levy cult', on the basis that I bet he could not name a single person on this forum who has nothing bad to say about Levy / ENIC (he could not), that those who defend the board do also have criticisms, so do at least have some balance, and that the posters he was accusing actually make comments about all sorts of other Spurs-related topics all over the forum, so are not obsessed with that one topic. It is not true of everyone on the other side though - there are a few posters who ONLY post about Levy / ENIC (and on every thread, annoyingly), they never talk about anything else. Now that level of obsession really is cult-like...

Their leader is an odd one - some people call him a Gooner, but I don't think that's the case at all. Others say that he just wants to be 'right', but I don't think that's his driver either. I think he is and always was a Spurs fan, but his hatred of ENIC / Levy is now far greater than his love of Spurs to such an extent that he wants us to fail so that ENIC and Levy fail. And as I say, I don't think that's just so he can say he was 'right', I genuniely think it's based on a pure hatred that started out as arguably justifiable to some degree at least, but has become a totally irrational obsession far more important to him than the club itself. Very odd. :/

Oh I don't doubt it, and have seen it all before, sadly. It's like Internet 101 now to expect a mouthy, zealous clique who insist on driving home their narrative endlessly on what they consider their turf, and alienating anyone who can point out why Great Leader is wrong. Seen it many times over, unfortunately. Sorry it's been that way for so long.

As for the ringleader and his potential issues, never underestimate the power of the Sunk Cost fallacy. The more they've staked their time and reputation over the years into something, the more they have a need, psychologically, for it to be true, because the prospect of them having wasted so much time and effort on a false cause is too much for their pride or ego to face. This is closely related to Commitment Bias, which is where one intensifies their allegiance to the cause and 'doubles down' on an obviously wrong position, even in the face of contrary evidence/proof, hoping that sheer willpower will overcome objective facts and reality.

Really the internet takes these common human behaviors and cranks them up to 100. It's probably not good for society.
 
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