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[dudu]

I think Poch gives an air of respectability to Levy’s tenure that he hasn’t earned . I readily admit to not liking Levy and am happy to admit that colours my judgement . However that does not necessarily make me wrong

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And this is where, for me, you lose credibility - because attributing the Poch years to only Poch, the Harry years to just Harry, and to every single player youve loved to watch and that contributed to our entertainment, but completely ignoring the person and people who bought them is a bit blinkered in my opinon.

You can be pissed off at the state of things now, unhappy that we didnt entriely push on when we could have but still credit the froup that put us back in the mix.....

or you can't but like i said, that just comes across as sour and one sided thinking - but you do you bro

 

[dudu]

We’ve also had some world class players and 11’s, but not kicked on and exploited those opportunities - quite the opposite, doubled down and signed no-one

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Again, I agree with that - and I can, unlike some who are completely within their rights to not acknowledge both and discuss the nuance as to why we didn't and what has happened beyond 'Levy is a cunt'

You seem to be able to better than some and fair play

 

[Honest John]

View: https://x.com/WeRTottenhamTV/status/1950169404890624378?t=lVEv2pP1wV2zvDEzBKZ2QA&s=19

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I love ENIC

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[Ed Vanderlay]

And this is where, for me, you lose credibility - because attributing the Poch years to only Poch, the Harry years to just Harry, and to every single player youve loved to watch and that contributed to our entertainment, but completely ignoring the person and people who bought them is a bit blinkered in my opinon.

You can be pissed off at the state of things now, unhappy that we didnt entriely push on when we could have but still credit the froup that put us back in the mix.....

or you can't but like i said, that just comes across as sour and one sided thinking - but you do you bro

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A stopped clock is right twice a day . If you hire 16 managers getting a 2 or 3 right is still under performing law of averages . Same with constantly buying from the bargain basement , for every Bale , Modric, Dembele there is coach load of dross . In 25 years the academy under Levy has produced Harry Kane that is top draw, King was part of the set up long before Levy . Are you saying he has done a cracking job on the Academy because of Harry , especially as the academy is a cornerstone of his strategy. The academy is a monumental failure despite the fantastic power showers .
If he had a decent strike rate on managers, players and the academy I would say he got that right but he doesn’t. He has thrown so much spaghetti at the wall and some people want to praise him for the 3 bits that stuck.
Sorry I have seen through his bullshit a very long time ago

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Doubt they spent their own money on it

Everyone knows that Levy fans are all unemployed losers with no earning potential

Probably spent their mother's money on it

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Levy wearing a syrup with glasses standing on a biscuit tin doesn’t fool me

 

[FightingIllini]

And this is where, for me, you lose credibility - because attributing the Poch years to only Poch, the Harry years to just Harry, and to every single player youve loved to watch and that contributed to our entertainment, but completely ignoring the person and people who bought them is a bit blinkered in my opinon.

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It's a fair point in general, and inarguably Levy must get proper credit for hiring Poch in the first place (Levy's eye for managers is very underrated by both his detractors and his supporters who always resort to blaming managers for his failures, IMO).

But I think it's also true that other successes the club has had under ENIC, especially pre-Poch but also the brief Conte surge and even the EL win to a degree, are just a lot easier to ascribe specifically to the club's business and Levy's influence than the Poch miracle. You look at our Redknapp CL team and Levy really built that with his market nous piece by piece, as he did Jol's team that improved our standing so much.

Poch just made much more of what he had than what any other manager has done with those players, and did it with net negative investment, plus of course the emergence of a diamond in Kane which is the luck of the draw for any club with youth development.

And then there's the total failure to evolve and progress from there. It's hard to write the Poch story with Levy as anything other than the villain.

 

[Bubs]

It's all good, bro - but perspective - come on.

Amateur?

95% of football fans in the country would give their left nut to have experienced a Europa League trophy, CL final, more seasons in Europe than not over the last 20 years. I promise you, most if not all Woolwich fans would too.... and they have finished 2nd 3 years on the trot.
We can't compare ourselves to 95% of other clubs as we bigger than 95% of other clubs, also not sure any Woolwich fans would swap positions its horrible to say but they have bigger fish to fry.

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We have been in a rut for a few years now - it happens to every single club on the planet - but let's not rewrite our recent history either.
I agree plenty of Clubs going through rough patches / rut but we do it in reverse we go through the odd good period not through the odd rut. I agree plenty of Clubs going through rough patches / rut but we do it in reverse we go through the odd good period not through the odd rut.

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This sport, in fact, any sport, is cyclical, and if you are in it to only ever see your team play well and win then you might as well choose a different team to support every year and just follow the best. Spurs have of the loyalist fan bases in the country, I have held a season ticket since 1982 and many of the people I sit with have one since 1990s, We are allowed to point out when things are not right, I can tell you that the majority Spurs match day fans go and don't give a hoot about a shinny new stadium , they just want good football and to be proud of our team.

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Could we be run better? Absolutely. Could we win more trophies - sure, have the last few seasons been a struggle compared to most of the 2010's - yup. Glad you agree that Levy is not doing his job correctly and to use your metric hasn't been for 5 years

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But I don't buy this woe is me stuff, mate. What 'woe is me stuff' ? Calling out the job Levy is doing is not woe is me. Its just pointing out that from a Football perspective Levy has been incompetent. After 25 years he should have it under wraps shouldn't he? Its woeful that he is still changing plans every two yeas.

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I have a question for you , do you ever see us competing for the league and if so when? Do you think that this time it is going to work with Frank?
Honestly I am not trying to hold you to account , I am just trying to understand your support of a man that has brought us so little success on the pitch.

 

[Jenderbazzfass]

Change the manager, don't change the players. 14th verse, same as the first

 

[LevyOutNow]

I have a question for you , do you ever see us competing for the league and if so when? Do you think that this time it is going to work with Frank?
Honestly I am not trying to hold you to account , I am just trying to understand your support of a man that has brought us so little success on the pitch.

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It's a project, look at the potential, trust the process....blah blah blah

 

[dudu]

A stopped clock is right twice a day . If you hire 16 managers getting a 2 or 3 right is still under performing law of averages . Same with constantly buying from the bargain basement , for every Bale , Modric, Dembele there is coach load of dross . In 25 years the academy under Levy has produced Harry Kane that is top draw, King was part of the set up long before Levy . Are you saying he has done a cracking job on the Academy because of Harry , especially as the academy is a cornerstone of his strategy. The academy is a monumental failure despite the fantastic power showers .
If he had a decent strike rate on managers, players and the academy I would say he got that right but he doesn’t. He has thrown so much spaghetti at the wall and some people want to praise him for the 3 bits that stuck.
Sorry I have seen through his bullshit a very long time ago

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Oh lord.

Youre talking about a football issue, not a Spurs issue.

99% of fans say the same things about their owners.

Bar one, maybe two clubs in the entire country, in the last 15 years. This is what I mean by perspective, mate.

 

[dudu]

It's a fair point in general, and inarguably Levy must get proper credit for hiring Poch in the first place (Levy's eye for managers is very underrated by both his detractors and his supporters who always resort to blaming managers for his failures, IMO).

But I think it's also true that other successes the club has had under ENIC, especially pre-Poch but also the brief Conte surge and even the EL win to a degree, are just a lot easier to ascribe specifically to the club's business and Levy's influence than the Poch miracle. You look at our Redknapp CL team and Levy really built that with his market nous piece by piece, as he did Jol's team that improved our standing so much.

Poch just made much more of what he had than what any other manager has done with those players, and did it with net negative investment, plus of course the emergence of a diamond in Kane which is the luck of the draw for any club with youth development.

And then there's the total failure to evolve and progress from there. It's hard to write the Poch story with Levy as anything other than the villain.

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I have called out the inability to progress - it came at a time we were building the most expensive stadium in the country, but sure we should have still pushed on - I can also say that without knocking or taking away the other stuff.

People live in this bubble where Spurs are the only club to experience ups and downs, make shit transfers, poor decisions by owners and chairmen - yet being one that has finished where we have pretty much consistently for 15 years now, it's fair to say that we have done better than 90%+ of clubs in the country and its equally ok to acknowlege that and be pissed off that we have slipped backwards the last few years.

So i still do not buy the woe is me stuff - no wonder other fans all seem to think we are twats.

 

[Kosher Kid]

I have called out the inability to progress - it came at a time we were building the most expensive stadium in the country, but sure we should have still pushed on - I can also say that without knocking or taking away the other stuff.

People live in this bubble where Spurs are the only club to experience ups and downs, make shit transfers, poor decisions by owners and chairmen - yet being one that has finished where we have pretty much consistently for 15 years now, it's fair to say that we have done better than 90%+ of clubs in the country and its equally ok to acknowlege that and be pissed off that we have slipped backwards the last few years.

So i still do not buy the woe is me stuff - no wonder other fans all seem to think we are twats.

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Are you and the EDF boys doing this work in rotation Dudu?

Will Shady be clocking in for the twilight shift soon?

It's a bit much for one man on his own.

 

[FightingIllini]

I have called out the inability to progress - it came at a time we were building the most expensive stadium in the country, but sure we should have still pushed on - I can also say that without knocking or taking away the other stuff.

People live in this bubble where Spurs are the only club to experience ups and downs, make shit transfers, poor decisions by owners and chairmen - yet being one that has finished where we have pretty much consistently for 15 years now, it's fair to say that we have done better than 90%+ of clubs in the country and its equally ok to acknowlege that and be pissed off that we have slipped backwards the last few years.

So i still do not buy the woe is me stuff - no wonder other fans all seem to think we are twats.

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Two things that are objectively Spurs-specific and true

1. We are the least successful club in our financial weight class by a country mile.

2. No other club has been led by the same person for anywhere near as long.

So no, it is not in fact a universal in football for the same chairman to keep tearing everything up and starting over with a new project, failing, and doing so again over and over for decades. That really is just us.

Other clubs have stumbled from failure to failure, certainly. But they really did see the people responsible drummed out of the club.

 

[dudu]

I have a question for you , do you ever see us competing for the league and if so when? Do you think that this time it is going to work with Frank?
Honestly I am not trying to hold you to account , I am just trying to understand your support of a man that has brought us so little success on the pitch.

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Support for what man?

I have said repeatedly that it is time for a new chairman. I just don't buy this constant complaining the whole time like we are languishing at the bottom of League 1 fighting for our lives every year - we just won the Europa League, we are in the CL this season - we have been in Europe consistently for nearly 20 years now?

We all want to push on, but we don't have a bad place in the football world, and if you cannot just enjoy being where we are, and seeing where the chips fall, then fine, complain, be angry, be miserable, and go protest. Live however you want to live.

 

[dudu]

Two things that are objectively Spurs-specific and true

1. We are the least successful club in our financial weight class by a country mile.

2. No other club has been led by the same person for anywhere near as long.

So no, it is not in fact a universal in football for the same chairman to keep tearing everything up and starting over with a new project, failing, and doing so again over and over for decades. That really is just us.

Other clubs have stumbled from failure to failure, certainly. But they really did see the people responsible drummed out of the club.

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And I would welcome new owners.

 

[dudu]

Two things that are objectively Spurs-specific and true

1. We are the least successful club in our financial weight class by a country mile.

2. No other club has been led by the same person for anywhere near as long.

So no, it is not in fact a universal in football for the same chairman to keep tearing everything up and starting over with a new project, failing, and doing so again over and over for decades. That really is just us.

Other clubs have stumbled from failure to failure, certainly. But they really did see the people responsible drummed out of the club.

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And also - how long would you have put us in this 'weight class' since - 5 years? Since moving to the new stadium?

 

[FightingIllini]

And also - how long would you have put us in this 'weight class' since - 5 years? Since moving to the new stadium?

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Our weight class definitely has changed in the new stadium.

But we were too rich to be trophyless before and we're too rich to be sliding into a chasm beneath the top 4 now.

 

[Honest John]

It's a project, look at the potential, trust the process....blah blah blah

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Probably no word I despise more than 'project' when it comes to our football team.
The 'project' has been ongoing for a quarter of a century ffs. Its broken and it's outdated.

 

[skywalker68]

Probably no word I despise more than 'project' when it comes to our football team.
The 'project' has been ongoing for a quarter of a century ffs. Its broken and it's outdated.

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The project is broken and has been for most of that time.

 

[LevyOutNow]

Probably no word I despise more than 'project' when it comes to our football team.
The 'project' has been ongoing for a quarter of a century ffs. Its broken and it's outdated.

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We are richer than Chelsea according to Deloitte, yet look at how they're spending and then compare to us.

Woolwich and Liverpool only a few positions above in terms of finance, yet spending way more.

How some Spurs fans can still sympathise with Levy is beyond me.

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