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Player Mikey Moore

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Wouldn't have loaned him there based solely on the fact that Russell Martin is their manager, even though his days are probably numbered already.

With his obsession with keeping the ball and playing the game in such a mechanical way, he is certainly capable of coaching all the flair and creativity out of his players.
 
DadHeungMin said:
I know why but it is still weird. I think there’s just bad support up there, on top of the poor quality of sides. Many a cup final/semi final highlight I’ve seen where Celtic and/or Rangers will fill out their half of Hampden, but then Aberdeen for example won’t even fill a quarter of the other half.

And in the second point, I agree with you, although I think Celtic are closer to a bad Prem team and Rangers are a good Championship side.
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That attendance thing isn’t true. Maybe a lot of folk were in the toilet when you were watching?

Hampden is 52k maximum, including all the corporate cunts. Real fan tickets are around 42k. Sometimes, the split isn’t even, if it’s one of the bigot brothers against someone else, they’ll tend to get more tickets, but even if the split isn’t even, half of 42k is 21k and quarter of that is 5k. Aberdeen generally sell their allocation. They’ve never and will never take only 5k fans to Hampden.

Sure, Scottish football is dire and in fair need of a boot in the taint to get it going again, but there is still an audience for it. In fact, the average attendance at Aberdeen has been slowly creeping up since lockdown and is now back at the level of the Fergie years.
 
Fattynomates said:
I agree but I think if they had the money of the PL they would both attract top talent
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For a while.

The issue is that other than playing each other 4 times a year there are no other competitive matches for them in Scotland - the matches either lose (eg Celtic losing last season's SFA Cup) is partly a statistical blip and partly just the Celtic side not trying hard enough to win despite Celtic wages are multiple times Aberdeen.

The lack of competition in Scotland is also shown by both Celtic and Rangers each going on 10 year runs where they are the dominant side in recent decades.

There is no financial incentive for PL to want either club involved - it just spreads the 'English' produced wealth much more (population of Scotland circa 10% of England), and tv revenues in Scotland are tiny vs in England.
 
DadHeungMin said:
I know why but it is still weird. I think there’s just bad support up there, on top of the poor quality of sides. Many a cup final/semi final highlight I’ve seen where Celtic and/or Rangers will fill out their half of Hampden, but then Aberdeen for example won’t even fill a quarter of the other half.

And in the second point, I agree with you, although I think Celtic are closer to a bad Prem team and Rangers are a good Championship side.
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Dinnae worry half their fans are in Benidorm judging by the shirts being worn in the bars
 
AberdeenYid said:
That attendance thing isn’t true. Maybe a lot of folk were in the toilet when you were watching?

Hampden is 52k maximum, including all the corporate cunts. Real fan tickets are around 42k. Sometimes, the split isn’t even, if it’s one of the bigot brothers against someone else, they’ll tend to get more tickets, but even if the split isn’t even, half of 42k is 21k and quarter of that is 5k. Aberdeen generally sell their allocation. They’ve never and will never take only 5k fans to Hampden.

Sure, Scottish football is dire and in fair need of a boot in the taint to get it going again, but there is still an audience for it. In fact, the average attendance at Aberdeen has been slowly creeping up since lockdown and is now back at the level of the Fergie years.
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Celtic Fans Pack Hampden As Rangers Struggle To Fill Semi-Final Seats | Latest Celtic News

Meanwhile, Rangers fans struggled to fill their allocation for a much less convincing 2-1 win over Motherwell, with swathes of empty seats in their end
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Celtic rage at Hibs over 10,000 empty seats at Betfred Cup

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Just some examples over the years. I keep an eye on Scotland because I love the Old Firm, but to make it out like attendance, especially outside those two clubs, isn’t an issue is interesting.

If I had more time I’d find and link some highlights of old (but recent) cup finals and semis where there were huge swathes of empty seats. Genuinely shocked Aberdeen brought out as many as they did for their recent final.
 
DadHeungMin said:
celtsarehere.com

Celtic Fans Pack Hampden As Rangers Struggle To Fill Semi-Final Seats | Latest Celtic News

Meanwhile, Rangers fans struggled to fill their allocation for a much less convincing 2-1 win over Motherwell, with swathes of empty seats in their end
celtsarehere.com celtsarehere.com
www.alamy.com

Empty seats during the William Hill Scottish Cup semi final match at Hampden Park, Glasgow Stock Photo - Alamy

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www.scotsman.com

Celtic rage at Hibs over 10,000 empty seats at Betfred Cup

Celtic are set to write to the SPFL following Hibs' failure to sell their allocation for the Betfred Cup semi-final at Hampden Park.
www.scotsman.com www.scotsman.com
Just some examples over the years. I keep an eye on Scotland because I love the Old Firm, but to make it out like attendance, especially outside those two clubs, isn’t an issue is interesting.

If I had more time I’d find and link some highlights of old (but recent) cup finals and semis where there were huge swathes of empty seats. Genuinely shocked Aberdeen brought out as many as they did for their recent final.
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Fair. And one of those Aberdeen too, albeit 7 years ago. Think we had 10k there, so not spectacular.

Edit - just noticed a paragraph in your post that’s on my reply, but not on your post. Weird. And you love the Old Firm? Both teams?
 
BJK said:
Wouldn't have loaned him there based solely on the fact that Russell Martin is their manager, even though his days are probably numbered already.

With his obsession with keeping the ball and playing the game in such a mechanical way, he is certainly capable of coaching all the flair and creativity out of his players.
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He seemed to do an okay job of developing Tyler Dibling
 
AberdeenYid said:
Fair. And one of those Aberdeen too, albeit 7 years ago. Think we had 10k there, so not spectacular.

Edit - just noticed a paragraph in your post that’s on my reply, but not on your post. Weird. And you love the Old Firm? Both teams?
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I’m more so keeping an eye on Celtic as I was raised Catholic so kinda just latched on, very loosely. In general the passion of the game, how much it all means and the sheer limbs at every goal (“Georgios Samaras scores for Celtic! Happy New Year to the Men in Hoops!” lives long in my memory).

Didn’t know much until that excellent Vice doc on the Old Firm, and kinda just kept watching ever since. Sometimes I’ll miss a game or two since they play each other like 6 times a year but still.

With the paragraph that’s odd, is it the final para? If so I think that’s in the inital reply.
 
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View: https://youtu.be/Tg82sYkDzcs

Match highlights, Mikey appears a few times.

BTW, Mikey's assist seems like a simple pass. I think the real secret to the assist is in Mikey's head : the ability to recognise the Rangers player being in a good position than him to have a shot. Its Mikey's awareness of other players positions which is key to giving him a few seconds to make that simple pass to the unmarked Rangers player well positioned to take a shot which he scores from.
 
Spursidol said:

View: https://youtu.be/Tg82sYkDzcs

Match highlights, Mikey appears a few times.

BTW, Mikey's assist seems like a simple pass. I think the real secret to the assist is in Mikey's head : the ability to recognise the Rangers player being in a good position than him to have a shot. Its Mikey's awareness of other players positions which is key to giving him a few seconds to make that simple pass to the unmarked Rangers player well positioned to take a shot which he scores from.
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That Alloa kit is lovely.

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BJK said:
Wouldn't have loaned him there based solely on the fact that Russell Martin is their manager, even though his days are probably numbered already.

With his obsession with keeping the ball and playing the game in such a mechanical way, he is certainly capable of coaching all the flair and creativity out of his players.
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Dibling looked a lot better under Martin than his replacement. He allows a little flair.
 
Spursidol said:
For a while.

The issue is that other than playing each other 4 times a year there are no other competitive matches for them in Scotland - the matches either lose (eg Celtic losing last season's SFA Cup) is partly a statistical blip and partly just the Celtic side not trying hard enough to win despite Celtic wages are multiple times Aberdeen.

The lack of competition in Scotland is also shown by both Celtic and Rangers each going on 10 year runs where they are the dominant side in recent decades.

There is no financial incentive for PL to want either club involved - it just spreads the 'English' produced wealth much more (population of Scotland circa 10% of England), and tv revenues in Scotland are tiny vs in England.
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I don't know if the history and culture can be overcome, but I think it'd be nice to see the SPL and Welsh/Northern Ireland leagues integrated into the EFL somehow. Celtic and Rangers I think risk becoming irrelevant without the TV money and competitive impulse of participating in a top level competition like the Premiership. I'd be very interested to see what both clubs could do, and if it could help invigorate the EPL even more with their inclusion. Celtic could become a very powerful club with Prem money and competitive impulse.

As for Moore though it's nice he gets to play some CL ball this way- Rangers probably wouldn't play CL for a very long time if they had to earn it through the EFL.
 
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