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I think this technically smart players thing is over blown. Teams like Bmouth and Brighton don’t have expensive technical players but can still play good football. I remember when Glenn managed Swindon and got them promoted they played some good stuff. We just want grant to make us more attacking and physical with a bit of pace and power. We are never going to be like city or Barca and tbh Frank I don’t think can coach that. As long as gets us playing front football like he said he wants to do and be more attacking creating chances the rest will take of its self.

It's not about them being expensive, it's about them having a certain skillset and intelligence. That's what Brighton and Bournemouth look for.
 
FEATURES / FEATURE THOMAS FRANK
TO BE FRANK
Spurs’ new boss almost quit football as a youth coach, then left Brondby when his chairman criticised him online under a pseudonym. Now he’s a Champions League manager…
Words Ed McCambridge
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Sometimes it’s the paths we don’t take. This very thought was beginning to fester in the mind of a young Thomas Frank. In his early 30s and a father of two, Frank was completing a master’s degree in psychology while working as an instructor for the Danish FA. All while holding down a part-time job as youth coordinator of Hvidovre, a second-tier side in the suburbs of Copenhagen.

“Nobody in Denmark was working harder than Thomas at that time,” smiles Teddy Hebo Larsen, the long-term chairman of Hvidovre and lifelong friend of Frank’s. “He’d been with us six years, overseeing our talented youth teams. Thomas hadn’t been much of a player, which he freely admits, but he’d arrived at Hvidovre highly recommended by his hometown club Frederiksvaerk, where he’d coached their youngsters, and it wasn’t difficult to see why.

“He was bright, a brilliant educator and passionate about playing football the right way. He always encouraged possession football, intelligent pressing and, above all, strong communication.”

Frank’s burgeoning reputation had earned him a job offer from professional outfit B.93 – a full-time position as the club’s head of development – though he’d felt compelled to turn it down.

“Thomas was considering giving up on football coaching entirely,” recalls Hebo Larsen. “He and his wife had their family to think about and, as you can imagine, he wasn’t earning a fortune. Even at B.93 he wouldn’t bring home very much, so he said no. But you could see that feeling of ‘what if’ was niggling at him.”

Despite having promised his wife he’d give up coaching, Frank had a change of heart and, in 2004, he joined B.93. “It was sad to see him go,” Hebo Larsen says. “But deep down, I was just happy to see him follow his dream.”

Frank spent two years with B.93 before switching to Lyngby, where further good work earned him a move to the Danish FA’s youth ranks. From 2008 to 2013 he predominantly coached Denmark’s Under-17 and U19 teams, leading the former to their first ever World Cup, as well as a first Euros appearance in eight years. “He was entrusted with the best and brightest the country had to offer,” explains Hebo Larsen. “He was thought of as one of the best in Denmark when it came to honing young talent.”

OSCAR THE GROUCH
It was exactly that reputation that led to Frank’s big break in June 2013, when the 10-time Danish champions Brondby came calling. The Copenhagen giants were a shambles at the time, having only avoided relegation in the final few games of the 2012-13 season, as well as bankruptcy thanks to an 11th-hour intervention from new owners just one month prior to Frank’s arrival.

“The whole club needed a reset, and Thomas was seen as the perfect man to lead that,” recalls Per Rud, who joined Brondby as sporting director that same summer. “We didn’t have the financial muscle to return to dominance, so it was decided we would concentrate on bringing through talented youngsters. Thomas had worked with many of them from his time at the Danish FA. He was inexperienced as a manager, but we saw it as a good long-term fit.”

Rud oversaw the establishment of Brondby Masterclass, an ambitious new academy that would help to polish the club’s next generation. Frank’s task was to turn them into a championship team. Brondby’s gaffer was given assurances time would be on his side. “There won’t be [managerial] changes just because our strategy isn’t going as hoped,” new chairman Aldo Petersen confirmed. “Development is our goal and it’s what we are keeping track of.”

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Brondby’s chairman made Frank’s stint there a tumultuous one

Frank’s side tested that patience, going seven without a win at the beginning of the 2013-14 Superliga campaign, while being dumped out of the cup by his old club Hvidovre. Yet Frank slowly got his ideas across to a young team featuring a teenage Christian Norgaard, who he would manage again later on. Brondby finished fourth, qualifying for Europe for the first time in three years.

“The players immediately liked Thomas as he was a great communicator, was energetic and what I’d call a football romantic,” former Brondby midfielder Martin Ornskov recalls. “He insisted on playing the right way, being positive in possession and pressing high to win it back. We made a rocky start, but he turned it around. There was a process there and we could see that.”

But that process would swiftly be pushed aside when, in the April of that first campaign, minority shareholder Jan Bech Andersen bought a controlling stake in Brondby and become the new chairman. Bech Andersen wasn’t a fan of the youth-first strategy, and wanted a title tilt in Frank’s second season.

“Suddenly, this project that we were working towards was torn up and a host of new players arrived,” recalls Rud, who often butted heads with Bech Andersen. “Money was being pumped into the first team, with big-name signings arriving.”

Among those was Daniel Agger, who returned from Liverpool for £3 million, and ex-Bolton striker Johan Elmander, coming back after eight years away.

“Others might have been upset about such a major shift, but Thomas just said, ‘OK then, now we have to try to win the league’,” Rud remembers. “He was such a hard worker – he and I used to tease each other about who’d get into the training ground earlier and who’d leave latest. If he got there before me, I’d say, ‘My goodness, Thomas, haven’t you slept? You look like s**t!’ He’d laugh and shout back, ‘I’d take a look in the mirror before criticising others, Per!’ Thomas had a great sense of humour.”

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The Dane proved a popular promotion to the head coach role at Brentford

But the heavy investment would prove a hindrance, as Brondby crashed out of the Europa League qualifiers, losing 5-0 on aggregate to Club Brugge. Results in the league were only moderately better as a possession-heavy side struggled to break teams down. By the winter break, the club’s ultras were beginning to make their dissatisfaction known.

A humiliating 7-0 defeat in a winter friendly with German outfit Hoffenheim didn’t help. “That result caused a lot of supporters, the media, and even some players to question Thomas,” admits Ornskov, who played the full 90 minutes on that miserable afternoon.

Agger later admitted to confronting Frank, demanding the mild-mannered coach make an example of his players by forcing them to train the following day. “The morning after arriving back in Denmark, we were sent out on an exhausting run through the forest in the freezing cold,” Ornskov tells FFT.

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“Show us that Blue Steel, gaffer”

“Nobody complained, though. We knew it had been Daniel’s idea and he also took part. For Daniel, it was about setting the same sort of standards he’d experienced at Liverpool. Thomas was a good coach but he hadn’t yet learned that nasty side to management. That defeat marked a turning point.”

The beasting had the desired effect, with Brondby ultimately finishing third and again qualifying for the Europa League. Bech Andersen made it clear though, ahead of Frank’s third season, that failure to challenge for titles would have consequences.

The campaign started poorly – Frank’s side lost their opening three league fixtures while getting dumped out of Europa League qualifying again, this time 6-1 on aggregate by Greek outfit PAOK. “We always played nice football under Thomas, but we began to wonder if he was strong enough to handle the pressure,” recalls Ornskov. A slight improvement ahead of the festive period saw Frank’s team limp into the winter break fifth and facing another trophyless season. Cue one of the most scandalous sagas in Brondby’s recent history.

Over the winter break, a new account appeared on the Brondby fan forum SydSiden Online. It heavily criticised Frank and sporting director Rud. Barbs included questions over Frank’s ability to integrate new players and his lack of authority. ‘Oscar’, as the account was named, called for a change of coach.

All nothing unusual for a fan forum, of course, until those comments were revealed to have been written by none other than chairman Bech Andersen himself, operating under a pseudonym. The revelations caused a media furore.

“It was really quite shocking for the players, let alone for Thomas,” Ornskov says. “To be stabbed in the back by your own chairman is unbelievable. We really felt for Thomas as he was a good coach and a really great person. He was inexperienced as a manager, but he always gave his best for the club.”

“I WANTED TO BE A HEAD COACH, BUT I HAD HEARD ABOUT BRENTFORD AND THOUGHT IT SUITED ME”
For Frank, the betrayal was a step too far. “After the last days of massive media attention, Jan and I had a talk,” Frank told a press conference in March 2016. “Based on that, I have chosen to end our cooperation.” Bech Andersen also stepped down from his position, though he later reclaimed it and still remains on the board to this day.

“WE TESTED THE SYSTEM”
After leaving Brondby, Frank needed to spend time away from football. “Despite that episode, he was still in high demand in Denmark,” reveals sporting director Rud, who also left Brondby that season. “I was asked by a number of Superliga clubs about Thomas’s availability, and was quite sure that he’d return at some stage and become a leading coach in Denmark. I couldn’t have foreseen the path he eventually chose.”

In late 2016, after nine months out of the game, Frank took a phone call that piqued his interest – though not from any club in his home country.

Under the ownership of lifelong fan Matthew Benham, who’d made his fortune through a company offering statistical analysis to gamblers, Championship club Brentford had recently risen from League One and gained a foothold in the second tier. Just like Benham’s Smartodds punters, the Bees had earned a reputation for relying on in-depth statistical data to find talented but cheap players who had been overlooked elsewhere.

After purchasing the West Londoners in 2012, Benham had also snapped up a controlling share in FC Midtjylland, in turn leading to an increased Danish influence at his Championship side. Rasmus Ankersen, former chairman of the Superliga giants, was now serving as Brentford’s joint director of football and he wanted Frank – though not as manager. “When Rasmus offered me an assistant coach role, I wasn’t sure,” Frank later told FFT. “I wanted to be a head coach, but I had heard about Brentford and it suited me. We could maybe out-think bigger clubs.”

Frank accepted an offer to serve under Englishman Dean Smith. The Dane was tasked with overseeing the transition of players from the club’s B team to the senior squad, as well as coaching and providing analysis to the first team. He made an instant impact.

“Everyone liked him immediately, as he was a straight-talker and he clearly had a sharp football mind,” former Bees winger Alan Judge recalls. “He brought a good dynamic: Dean was the boss, whereas Thomas was more involved with us on the training ground. He was excellent at breaking down transition football and counter-pressing. He was engaging, and he communicated well. Everybody was impressed.”

Frank’s arrival at Griffin Park coincided with an upswing in form, as Brentford rose from 18th in the table to finish 10th by the end of his first half-season on the staff. They were ninth in 2017-18, before Smith departed in October 2018 to take charge of Aston Villa. Rather than look outside for his replacement, the Bees chose to appoint the 45-year-old Frank instead. “It was a popular choice in the squad,” says Judge. “The transition for Thomas was easy and his demeanour didn’t change – just a few alterations to the way that we did things.

“I’ll give you a great example of why he was so popular. Often, players that aren’t involved in the matchday squad on Saturday will train differently during the week, to help the others prepare. They also come in on the day after the game, just to get some running in their legs. Not with Thomas. He planned every session so everyone felt involved during the week and those that had to come in on the Sunday were given a proper, curated session. It made everyone feel part of the bigger picture.”

Even so, Frank’s Brentford got off to a dreadful start, quickly dropping from seventh, where Smith had left them, down to 19th in the space of only two months. “We just tested the system, to see if they wanted to back me or not, by losing eight of the first 10 games,” Frank would joke with FFT.

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Brentford’s play-off victory is sealed with a kiss

“He was an adaptable coach,” Judge remembers. “He realised 4-3-3 wasn’t working, so we switched to a back three – not something we were used to. But we turned a corner and never looked back.” The reshuffled Bees went seven games unbeaten en route to finishing the campaign a respectable 11th.

The following season then saw huge progression thanks to a host of summer acquisitions who would become vital members of Frank’s Brentford, including his former Brondby midfielder Christian Norgaard, forward Bryan Mbeumo and goalkeeper David Raya. Brentford ended the season in third, before losing out to neighbours Fulham in the play-off final. “That was extremely painful,” the Dane told FFT of the Wembley defeat. “But it was also a driver for the unbelievable season we had after that.”

Inspired by the 31 league goals of summer signing Ivan Toney, Brentford again finished third, only to go up via the play-offs on this occasion, ending their 74 years away from the top flight.

“It was an incredible achievement, particularly after the heartache of the year before,” lifelong fan and host of the Beesotted podcast Billy Grant says now.

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All smiles celebrating with the Bees faithful

“During that promotion season, we asked Thomas if he would be open to joining us on the pod for a chat. He told us he would, but only if we did it in the local pub over a pint. We spoke about football, but also beer, the local area, his hometown, the people of Brentford. Not many managers would do that!”

THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN
With one of the lowest budgets in the Premier League, the Bees were widely tipped to go straight back down in the 2021-22 campaign, only to defy the odds and finish 13th. Proving they were no one-hit wonders, they finished ninth the following year – just two points shy of qualifying for Europe – in a season that also saw them do the double over eventual champions Manchester City.

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“Wait, you got how many points last season?”

THE TRADITIONAL ELITE CAME CALLING AGAIN – ONLY THIS TIME IT WAS FOR FRANK HIMSELF
“The wonderful thing about Thomas is that he always sets his side up to win, no matter who they’re playing against,” explains Judge, who left the club in the January 2019 window. “Other teams will shut up shop against the top sides, but Thomas will always try to win. That doesn’t mean he won’t ask his players to defend as well, but in those games against City, for example, he left Toney up high and got runners around him whenever they won the ball back. He’s positive, and fans love that about him.”

Frank had to remain positive as bigger clubs repeatedly lured his best players away. Toney, Raya, Christian Eriksen and others all moved on, yet Brentford stayed afloat thanks to smart scouting and their manager’s adaptability. After securing another top-half finish last term, the traditional elite came calling again. Only this time it was for Frank himself, as Europa League winners Spurs presented the 51-year-old with an offer he couldn’t refuse.

“I sat down with Thomas back in 2019 and we spoke about a five-year plan,” friend and Hvidovre chairman Hebo Larsen says. “He told me his ambition was to take Brentford to the Premier League, help them stabilise in the top flight, and then take charge of a Champions League club. In the end it took him six years.”

Frank knows he’ll have his hands full at Spurs, given they finished only one place above the relegation zone last term. “I promise you one thing,” he told journalists at his first press conference in north London. “We will lose football matches. I haven’t seen a team not losing any. There is Woolwich [and their 2003-04 Invincibles], who we can’t mention, so I’ve made my first rookie mistake there! Then there was Preston [in 1888-89] – those are the only two.”

Nobody is expecting Frank’s side to become the third, but challenging at the right end of the Premier League will be mandatory, regardless of performance in the cups. Those that know him best believe he has what it takes.

“I think he’ll do very well there,” says Judge. “He’s walking into a Tottenham side that doesn’t have any superstars or big egos, and Thomas is an expert at getting everybody on board. The Spurs fans will want to see attacking football, and he’s superb at that.”

Ornskov also wishes him well. “To be honest, I would never have expected this based on our time spent together,” he looks back. “Thomas had a brilliant tactical mind, but I wondered if he was mentally tough enough for it. There’s no doubt he’s gained that along the way. I believe he’ll be a huge success.”

For his old friend Hebo Larsen, the job represents the ultimate reward for a gamble that was made more than 20 years ago. “He was close to walking away from football, and now look at him,” Hebo Larsen says with a smile. “I may need to sit down with him and make a new five-year plan.”

With Thomas Frank, you never know where the path will lead next.

ON YOUR MARKS, GET SET, GO!
Arguably the best of Spurs’ previous five bosses actually had the slowest start, based on points amassed in their first five league games

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Porro, Romero, Spence and Udogie are defenders.....I specifically mentioned the midfield and attack

Fair enough. I don't really get why that makes much difference when Romero and Porro can be responsible for so much of our creative passing but leaving by your definition, we can move on.

Richarlison and Muani are not smart technical footballers , they have abilities in other areas

They definitely are. Richy is inconsistent and his body breaks down but I have no idea how anyone can say he's not technical and smart. If you think Muani isn't, just wait until you have watched him play for us for a month or 2. If you asked a random pool of elite coaches which player is technically better out of Isak and Muani, the answers would be 50/50 for either player.

We need players who have the brain to know when to pass, to consistently be able to pass to a teammate, keep possession in forward areas and be able to create something too.

I agree but decision-making is half of skill, technical ability is the other half. As you say Simons and Kudus give us this in forward areas, I think Muani definitely adds this and Solanke is very underrated by our fan base when it comes to the skill of passing. His technical ability and decision-making as a passer are very good imo.

We don't have these players and that's why our attacking play is so erratic and disjointed, not just under Frank, it's been going on for years despite the churn of players coming in and going out.

Thankfully this summer has seen a change and we have signed two smart footballers in Simons and Kudus, but we need more.

Always. Maddison and Kulusevski fit again helps with this as well but in that we have a conundrum as well... Will they be the same physically after their injuries? Can we wait to find out? because if they are the same and we've brought more players in then we need to sell someone...

Odobert has an opportunity to step in and fill that void until they can prove their fitness. As you said the rest of the squad is young and unproven but that is exactly where young players probably should sit in the squad and be ready to take theor chance when it comes.

Because Frank is more pragmatic and the football isn't always free flowing he more than anyone will need midfield and attacking players who have a high level of technical ability for us to flourish in that area.

Agree but I think he has enough technicians and skillful players in his squad for us to start seeing more free flowing football before the end of the year. The reason I said November is because the December-January game schedule is so hectic that teams hardly train and if we haven't seen much by November, the coaches won't have much time to change things during that period.
 
Porro, Romero, Spence and Udogie are defenders.....I specifically mentioned the midfield and attack

Richarlison and Muani are not smart technical footballers , they have abilities in other areas

We need players who have the brain to know when to pass, to consistently be able to pass to a teammate, keep possession in forward areas and be able to create something too.

We don't have these players and that's why our attacking play is so erratic and disjointed, not just under Frank, it's been going on for years despite the churn of players coming in and going out.

Thankfully this summer has seen a change and we have signed two smart footballers in Simons and Kudus, but we need more. Because Frank is more pragmatic and the football isn't always free flowing he more than anyone will need midfield and attacking players who have a high level of technical ability for us to flourish in that area.

West Ham friends who are STs were saying Kudus often runs up blind alleys or overplays. Doesn’t always see the quick pass.

Not sure I’d say he’s a smart player based on that. Definitely a lot more technically skilled than Johnson though.
 
Tell us, what does it mean... you seem to be the authority on the word pragmatic.
It means practical.

In football terms it has no relation to a defensive style whatsoever, if a squad was loaded with attacking talent and useless in defence, then a pragmatic manager would go all out attack.

I'm not an authority, I just know what the word means, in future perhaps, if you don't know what a word means, just don't use it 👍.
 
The reason I said November is because the December-January game schedule is so hectic that teams hardly train and if we haven't seen much by November, the coaches won't have much time to change things during that period.

We are pretty busy until November too, I don't see many free weeks where Frank and his coaches can implement some patterns on the training field

This is an important difference between what Frank had at Brentford and what he has to deal with now. He has been used to having a full week to prepare for each game, time on the training pitch to drill his players both defensively and the attacking part too. Also time to analyse upcoming opponents and try and find weaknesses to exploit. Now at Tottenham he has none of that (until we go out of cup competitions).....it's a routine of a game every 3 or 4 days so that will also slow down how quickly he has to get his ideas across to his players

So that's why, taking all this into consideration along with in my opinion the need to further improve the team, he will need a full season and a summer transfer window and pre season before we see a clear philosophy of Frankball which is both strong in defence and exciting in attack.
 
We are pretty busy until November too, I don't see many free weeks where Frank and his coaches can implement some patterns on the training field

This is an important difference between what Frank had at Brentford and what he has to deal with now. He has been used to having a full week to prepare for each game, time on the training pitch to drill his players both defensively and the attacking part too. Also time to analyse upcoming opponents and try and find weaknesses to exploit. Now at Tottenham he has none of that (until we go out of cup competitions).....it's a routine of a game every 3 or 4 days so that will also slow down how quickly he has to get his ideas across to his players

So that's why, taking all this into consideration along with in my opinion the need to further improve the team, he will need a full season and a summer transfer window and pre season before we see a clear philosophy of Frankball which is both strong in defence and exciting in attack.

Fully agree that time to train is the big difference between Brentford and Spurs for Frank. It’s going to be a massive challenge for them to get more fluency from now on when they have maybe 2 training sessions per week where they can use the ball and contact,

But games can be used for learning and adaptation. Tbh they might be the best way to develop. The best coach you can ever have is the level you play and compete against.

If he can get his rotations right so players get enough time in the same lineup together to build chemistry and timing, they will adapt to each other and improve offensively.
 
Porro, Romero, Spence and Udogie are defenders.....I specifically mentioned the midfield and attack

Richarlison and Muani are not smart technical footballers , they have abilities in other areas

We need players who have the brain to know when to pass, to consistently be able to pass to a teammate, keep possession in forward areas and be able to create something too.

We don't have these players and that's why our attacking play is so erratic and disjointed, not just under Frank, it's been going on for years despite the churn of players coming in and going out.

Thankfully this summer has seen a change and we have signed two smart footballers in Simons and Kudus, but we need more. Because Frank is more pragmatic and the football isn't always free flowing he more than anyone will need midfield and attacking players who have a high level of technical ability for us to flourish in that area.
Kudus and smart in the same sentence
It means practical.

In football terms it has no relation to a defensive style whatsoever, if a squad was loaded with attacking talent and useless in defence, then a pragmatic manager would go all out attack.

I'm not an authority, I just know what the word means, in future perhaps, if you don't know what a word means, just don't use it 👍.
I know what it means... what you have made clear is that you don't know what it means.
 
Kudus and smart in the same sentence

I know what it means... what you have made clear is that you don't know what it means.
Go on then, tell us, and then explain how exactly that fits in with you trying to use it interchangeably with "defensive".

In the meantime though, here are three dictionary definitions that support my explanation:




:frankarms:

Dickhead
 
Go on then, tell us, and then explain how exactly that fits in with you trying to use it interchangeably with "defensive".

In the meantime though, here are three dictionary definitions that support my explanation:




:frankarms:

Dickhead
Time for you to go on ignore bellend!!!
 
West Ham friends who are STs were saying Kudus often runs up blind alleys or overplays. Doesn’t always see the quick pass.
I think I said at the time when he joined us that he doesn't pass quickly enough and often gets caught in possession.

It may be that Frank and the coaching team have been trying to address this. Last couple of games I've seen he seems to be shifting it earlier, especially if there's a quick and easy pass on.
 
I think I said at the time when he joined us that he doesn't pass quickly enough and often gets caught in possession.

It may be that Frank and the coaching team have been trying to address this. Last couple of games I've seen he seems to be shifting it earlier, especially if there's a quick and easy pass on.

Good to know.

I said to my mate that he probably just didn’t pass it much because his old team mates were all shit. :dawsonlol:
 
It means practical.

In football terms it has no relation to a defensive style whatsoever, if a squad was loaded with attacking talent and useless in defence, then a pragmatic manager would go all out attack.

I'm not an authority, I just know what the word means, in future perhaps, if you don't know what a word means, just don't use it 👍.

BRUTAL
 
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