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Ex-Spurs Player Brennan Johnson

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I’d suggest there’s only one extreme view on here.

Some people, myself included, see BJ as a decent player, who has a habit of scoring goals. A habit that helps us win games, so he deserves a place in the squad, but maybe not always the first team.

And the extreme view is that he only has a few years of almost ever presence in the worlds toughest league because his dad was a mediocre player. That BJ is League One level. That he’s the worst player to ever pull a shirt on.

Nobody is saying the lad is a world beater.
I'd agree with your view. I just don't see why people have to always have such a big opinion when he's in reality a squad player who might start less than 50% of our games this season.

He's a unique player in that he's probably our worst winger at beating men and winning duals, but then he's probably the best goalscorer in our squad. Yes, his performances out wide have been poor, but that doesn't mean his goals are irrelevant or should be taken for granted. And vica versa, his goal record is brilliant, but that doesn't excuse some of his poor performances.
 
I'd agree with your view. I just don't see why people have to always have such a big opinion when he's in reality a squad player who might start less than 50% of our games this season.

He's a unique player in that he's probably our worst winger at beating men and winning duals, but then he's probably the best goalscorer in our squad. Yes, his performances out wide have been poor, but that doesn't mean his goals are irrelevant or should be taken for granted. And vica versa, his goal record is brilliant, but that doesn't excuse some of his poor performances.
Yes

Can we agree though that those positives do not apply when he plays on the left? Completely ill suited to that position - wild that Frank played him there
 
I’d suggest there’s only one extreme view on here.

Some people, myself included, see BJ as a decent player, who has a habit of scoring goals. A habit that helps us win games, so he deserves a place in the squad, but maybe not always the first team.

And the extreme view is that he only has a few years of almost ever presence in the worlds toughest league because his dad was a mediocre player. That BJ is League One level. That he’s the worst player to ever pull a shirt on.

Nobody is saying the lad is a world beater.
Exactly.

literally nobody has ever said that and I think 99% of the posters actually defending him are happy he's a squad player that occasionally gets game time.

Thats not enough for the majority though. They have to dig dig dig, insult insult insult, exaggerate exaggerate exaggerate.
 
Yes

Can we agree though that those positives do not apply when he plays on the left? Completely ill suited to that position - wild that Frank played him there
I think it might work with Udogie at left back as Udogie can overlap and hold the width. It doesn't work with spence at left back anyway. Same with Simons. I think Odobert has to play lw when Spence is at left back
 
I think it might work with Udogie at left back as Udogie can overlap and hold the width. It doesn't work with spence at left back anyway. Same with Simons. I think Odobert has to play lw when Spence is at left back
Johnson can’t change direction or move his hips, so he has no ability to drop his shoulder towards goal.

Agree Udogie can help an inverted winger, but that ain’t BJ
 
Could work. Him and Solanke have quite a nice combination of attributes. As long as he’s a bench option then I think Johnson is an asset to the squad. It’s nothing like Tel where lots of us are trying to work out how on Earth we signed him
:thumbup:. As far as Tel goes I think we sometimes forget, I know I do, how young the boy is and that he is still settling in a new country/league. He won't be 21 until next April.
I like his movement/pace and he's not frightened to take on a defender and doesn't hide. A few goals under his belt before the end of this year and I have hope he will come good?
 
:thumbup:. As far as Tel goes I think we sometimes forget, I know I do, how young the boy is and that he is still settling in a new country/league. He won't be 21 until next April.
I like his movement/pace and he's not frightened to take on a defender and doesn't hide. A few goals under his belt before the end of this year and I have hope he will come good?
Not to mention the transfer fees paid.

We have invested a lot of money in these guys. And there are fans who therefore expect immediate impact. Archie gets similar critique thrown at him.

Football transfer fees have reached a level now were I think that most players are going to struggle to consistently live up to the prices paid.
 
Exactly.

literally nobody has ever said that and I think 99% of the posters actually defending him are happy he's a squad player that occasionally gets game time.

Thats not enough for the majority though. They have to dig dig dig, insult insult insult, exaggerate exaggerate exaggerate.
And this is exactly what is wrong with club.

We need players that can push each other to be the best they can...

If we want to win things consistently, then we can't afford to have bit part players.

It was nice to see him use his pace against Doncaster... It was better, but still a long way to go.
 
Not to mention the transfer fees paid.

We have invested a lot of money in these guys. And there are fans who therefore expect immediate impact. Archie gets similar critique thrown at him.

Football transfer fees have reached a level now were I think that most players are going to struggle to consistently live up to the prices paid.
Not sure I agree with the last point tbh.

It's about being smart. Liverpool are smart almost all the time. Why? What are they doing so well. They do have more draw yes, but all the same. Bergvall ... great VFM. Why did he cost so much less than Tel or Gray?

What I'd say is that for the talk of data and analytics and people thinking they are very clever, there is still absolutely HUGE variability in VFM from transfers (leaving aside injuries of course). And while there will always be transfers that don't work out, it is pretty clear that many many clubs are getting some aspects of it wrong.
 
And this is exactly what is wrong with club.

We need players that can push each other to be the best they can...

If we want to win things consistently, then we can't afford to have bit part players.

It was nice to see him use his pace against Doncaster... It was better, but still a long way to go.
Yep. This board has lots of posters who - were they ever to be decision makers - evidently rely heavily on emotion as the basis for their decisions. It's not the way we're going to progress.
 
Johnson can be used just behind a striker on occasion. He has the pace, timing and eye for goal. No doubt at all.

Whilst it might create an issue in the middle of the park, we can compensate if we vary our formation.

With Muani and Solanke vying for a lead role in the Invisible man, utilising our main goal threat, without weakening the team is important.
 
Yep. This board has lots of posters who - were they ever to be decision makers - evidently rely heavily on emotion as the basis for their decisions. It's not the way we're going to progress.
As opposed to the vast football experience that anyone else has?

If this forum proves anything, it’s that you, I and the rest of the forum have little clue about the game or the club.

We aren’t party to training sessions, fitness reports, mental health conversations, dietary issues, takeover talks, fiscal strategies, scouting plans, coaching effectively - I could go on but can’t be arsed. However, so many claim to be experts.

Unfortunately, we’d mostly struggle to manage in a local pub league and most would also bankrupt a corner shop within a month.

Emotion, guesswork, opinion is all we have.
 
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As opposed to the vast football experience that anyone else has?

If this forum proves anything, it’s that you, I and the rest of the forum have little clue about the game or the club.

We aren’t party to training sessions, fitness reports, mental health conversations, dietary issues, takeover talks, fiscal strategies, scouting plans, coaching effectively - I could go on but can’t be arsed. However, so many claim to be experts.

Unfortunately, we’d mostly struggle to manage in a local pub league and most would also bankrupt a corner shop within a month.

Emotionally, guesswork, opinion is all we have.
True. But some still seem to get it right more then others.

Your next exam question is to explain that
 
I don't think this needs to split the fanbase. Both extreme takes are wrong and the truth lies in the middle. You don't need to take sides. Its not a case of Brennan being useless to us and its also not a case that Brennan is perfect and deserves to start.

Brennan scores a lot of goals and scored our most important goal in nearly 40 years last season. That is just fact. His numbers are really good. Yes, 90% of them are tap ins but he gets in them positions that "better" wingers like Kudus and Odobert don't!

Brennan's overall performances have been very underwhelming. He loses nearly all his duals and never seems to come out of any 1v1 battle on top. He's just not a touchline winger and he needs to be accommodated with an overlapping fullback or a striker who can drop deeper to give him space to run inside. His perfect conditions are him playing as a right winger with Spence playing right back and Solanke as the striker. Playing on the left with Spence behind him and Richarlison as his striker just does not work. Brennan does not work as a touchline winger. He doesn't have the skillset for it.

So where does that leave us with Brennan? A very good squad player who offers something uniquely different to our other wide players like Kudus, Simons, Odobert and Kulusevski. But he should not be used as a like for like replacement. He cannot to what Kudus can do on the right and we shouldn't ask him to even try it. When Brennan is on the pitch then we need to find a way to get him coming into the box more. Either play him as a second striker, or else give him his perfect conditions as a wide player (Udogie overlapping on the left or Spence overlapping on the right). I also don't think he can play in the same team as richarlison. He needs solanke.
Just so you know, BJ's duel rate is that he wins 60% of them.

To add a little context, I got an AI overview on him;

Percentile Rankings:
Johnson's tackles are around the 56th percentile, while his blocks and clearances place him in higher brackets, often in the 60s and 70s, indicating decent defensive work for his position.
Comparison:
Compared to other attacking midfielders and wingers, Johnson's defensive contributions are considered above average, but his strengths are found in his offensive play, such as finishing and positioning.

So this belief that he contributes nothing, outside of tap in goals, is an absolute fallacy.

I went through this at the end of last season, the only winger in the Prem who contributed more, defensively, than BJ was Brian Mbeumo.

Simply put, there's an element here that only see what they want to see, where he is concerned. He contributes more, from an overall team perspective, than Bowen, who some lunatics think we should wax £80M on! He contributes FAR more than Anthony Gordon, who some people would sell their Mother's for!

He's actually up in the top percentile for wingers in the PL, at either end of the pitch.

But he can't dribble past a bloke, so sell him.

The Darwin Awards would have a field day with the nimrods on here.
 
Would be interesting to see Johnson up top! Clearly our best finisher by a distance, playing alongside solanke would work well. Solanke can do the hold up play and then put the ball into space for Johnson! Or sure how it works against teams who sit deep. Johnson can’t really take a man on and is best when running into through balls.
 
Not to mention the transfer fees paid.

We have invested a lot of money in these guys. And there are fans who therefore expect immediate impact. Archie gets similar critique thrown at him.

Football transfer fees have reached a level now were I think that most players are going to struggle to consistently live up to the prices paid.
Not sure I agree. Gray at least looks like he has ability. It might take a while, but there's a player in there.

I cannot see that in Tel.

Add to the fact that after a terrible loan showing they decided to drop big boy money on him. That's what irks me more than anything, I'm sure with most here.
 
You can't deny he scores goals. But when you need to open defenses or work rate, forget about it. I think he would be of better use as a super sub for counters when we are winning and the defenses are open.
 
Just so you know, BJ's duel rate is that he wins 60% of them.

To add a little context, I got an AI overview on him;

Percentile Rankings:
Johnson's tackles are around the 56th percentile, while his blocks and clearances place him in higher brackets, often in the 60s and 70s, indicating decent defensive work for his position.
Comparison:
Compared to other attacking midfielders and wingers, Johnson's defensive contributions are considered above average, but his strengths are found in his offensive play, such as finishing and positioning.

So this belief that he contributes nothing, outside of tap in goals, is an absolute fallacy.

I went through this at the end of last season, the only winger in the Prem who contributed more, defensively, than BJ was Brian Mbeumo.

Simply put, there's an element here that only see what they want to see, where he is concerned. He contributes more, from an overall team perspective, than Bowen, who some lunatics think we should wax £80M on! He contributes FAR more than Anthony Gordon, who some people would sell their Mother's for!

He's actually up in the top percentile for wingers in the PL, at either end of the pitch.

But he can't dribble past a bloke, so sell him.

The Darwin Awards would have a field day with the nimrods on here.

Hahahahahahaha

Go watch Gordon or Bowen in games and tell me, with a straight fucking face, Johnson contributes more throughout the 90 than them. Go on. Do it. Could do with a fucking laugh.

Can guarantee if either of those were here, Frank would have them starting every fucking week, not on the bench which is where he’s relegated Johnson.

Absolutely hilarious at times. Contributes more from an overall team perspective than Bowen. Course he does pal. Because you can definitely measure that in stats and not by watching who is more involved.

The fucker got benched by bloody Wales the other week and you & others will still swear blind he’s a top footballer outside of the tap ins.
 
Would be interesting to see Johnson up top! Clearly our best finisher by a distance, playing alongside solanke would work well. Solanke can do the hold up play and then put the ball into space for Johnson! Or sure how it works against teams who sit deep. Johnson can’t really take a man on and is best when running into through balls.

Wasn’t he was tried up top during Ange year 1? I thought he looked terrible there. He’s not physical enough for the position unless we are going pure counter-attack tactics.
 
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