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Manager Thomas Frank

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Your last paragraph, I don't think there's been a spurs manager in my lifetime who managed to achieve that. Lost count of the Europa League group games/early cup games we've lost against inferior opposition because the second string come in and play appallingly.

Yea, I am not trying to say it is easy task.
It is not!

But also it is very much common sense that you should not rotate 2 of technically best forward players + your best CM of the season. Specially after losing your captain for the game.

I don't claim to know more than Thomas Frank about football. But I did post my version of lineup to matchday thread that would have done much better than the horrorshow that the game turned out to be. (Kinsky; Porro, Danso, VDV, Spence; Palhinha, Grey; Odobert, Xavi, Kudus; Richie) - that lineup would have given rest to Vicario, Bentancur, Sarr, Bergvall - all of who yesterday were ... well.. frankly... awful. Again - awful performances, not awful players.
 
Crisis, fucks sake you are overdramatic ......I just explained that we have Simons and Kudus to cover for the absence of Maddison and Kulusevski which is something we didn't have last season

Ok- Simons and Kudus to cover for absence of Maddison and Kulusevski if we compare to majority of the last season - fair.

Now outline exactly who are the players that do cover Son and Solanke, who both were available most of the last season? .... im waiting... who are the brilliant attacking players that fill their boots?!? Odobert? Tel? cant use Johnson - he was available then and is now.
 
Crisis, fucks sake you are overdramatic ......I just explained that we have Simons and Kudus to cover for the absence of Maddison and Kulusevski which is something we didn't have last season

"no one gives a fuck about that fat charlatan cunt".......seems he still lives rent free in your head if you are so angry and aggressive about him

Meh - he's just angry and bitter because he didn't get to share in the joy of Bilbao because he was too obsessed hating our manager. Quite sad really. The rest of us get to share in this joy forever :angecup: 😍

And now we move onto supporting our new manager - who Daveyboy will be bitching about endlessly by November :D
 
We're joint second highest scorers in the league.

Having to rotate with:

------Johnson-----Richarlison------Odobert-----

..is where the problem lies.
This. People having a go at Frank need to seriously open their eyes.

Bar arguably Bergval, Our midfield 3 and forward 3 that started today are genuinely bottom half PL table/Championship level players. May seem harsh, but we all know deep down it’s true.

And I know people will retort “Franks the one who put them on the pitch”, but what is he supposed to do?
Palhinha is a level up sure, but he cannot play every game. Ditto Kudus. They will be broken in no time and we already have enough injuries.

People screaming for Gray, come on. The kid has talent, but he’s still so so raw and if he started in midfield tonight he would have been absolutely no improvement on the 3 that did start.

Sure, Frank isn’t beyond criticism, but the hand he’s been dealt squad wise is absolutely shocking considering the level he is expected to compete at and the expectation amongst fans.

But YOU DON'T HAVE TO ROTATE ALL 3 AT THE SAME TIME.
How hard is that to understand ?!?

We would have been different team if Kudus would have started.
We would have been different team if Xavi would have started instead of Sarr.

Football is game of small margins. And Frank got it badly wrong yesterday.
 
Crisis, fucks sake you are overdramatic ......I just explained that we have Simons and Kudus to cover for the absence of Maddison and Kulusevski which is something we didn't have last season

"no one gives a fuck about that fat charlatan cunt".......seems he still lives rent free in your head if you are so angry and aggressive about him
simons and kudus cover maddison and kulu hahaha. yea ok, well explained. moron.
 
They are, I don't care at all if thy managed to overcome third rate Italian teams. Not to slightest.

If we have any kind of ambition we have to win 98 out of 100 against teams like Bodo. We beat them last year when we lost 22 games at home league. And won convicnigly.

Did you watch the game yesterday (someone said that he did not, not sure if you) - we had no midfield and buildup nor ball retention ability in first 65 minutes. Ball hardly ever arrived into good attacking positions. Yesterday was result of very poor overall team performance.

I mean you can find all the excuses you want, I want a multi-hundred-million earning teams beating local fishers. I want wins not apologies. Yesterdays performance from us made almost my eyes bleed. It was extremely poor and I am puzzled to no end why would any fan be OK with that.

Just to be clear - I do think we can at the same time say that this was total catastrophe of a result and game AND that based on that awful game we don't have to sack manager nor release all (or any) of the players from that one.
Spurs are 8th/ 9th richest club in world football.
Absolutely they should be putting teams like Bodo to one side.
Unfortunately, after a promising start, the club has reverted back to turgid football, and can't keep teams like this under control.
Matters not who the manager is or, what players we have, the cycle continues to be the same.
 
simons and kudus cover maddison and kulu hahaha. yea ok, well explained. moron.

Oooo personal attacks now :frankthumbs:

We are in the top 4, unbeaten in the CL, have less injuries than last season. Id say we are doing fine without Maddison and Kulusevski. When they come back we of course we will be stronger( as long as we don't have injuries to other important players)

If you don't think Simons and Kudus are excellent signings who significantly strengthen our squad then I don't know what to say
 
Ok- Simons and Kudus to cover for absence of Maddison and Kulusevski if we compare to majority of the last season - fair.

Now outline exactly who are the players that do cover Son and Solanke, who both were available most of the last season? .... im waiting... who are the brilliant attacking players that fill their boots?!? Odobert? Tel? cant use Johnson - he was available then and is now.

Unbelievably Richarlison has managed to stay fit so he kind of makes up for the loss of Solanke. Yes Solanke offers more control up front but in terms of goal output and threat they are pretty similar

The loss of Son is massive. He has been on the downturn in recent years and is no longer the player he was but when fit he still offered a goal and assist threat, definitely more that the likes of Odobert and Tel
 
They are, I don't care at all if thy managed to overcome third rate Italian teams. Not to slightest.

If we have any kind of ambition we have to win 98 out of 100 against teams like Bodo. We beat them last year when we lost 22 games at home league. And won convicnigly.

Did you watch the game yesterday (someone said that he did not, not sure if you) - we had no midfield and buildup nor ball retention ability in first 65 minutes. Ball hardly ever arrived into good attacking positions. Yesterday was result of very poor overall team performance.

I mean you can find all the excuses you want, I want a multi-hundred-million earning teams beating local fishers. I want wins not apologies. Yesterdays performance from us made almost my eyes bleed. It was extremely poor and I am puzzled to no end why would any fan be OK with that.

Just to be clear - I do think we can at the same time say that this was total catastrophe of a result and game AND that based on that awful game we don't have to sack manager nor release all (or any) of the players from that one.
I showed who scored the goals to make that happen. The same players who are currently injured.

Do ignore that and carry on with your very obvious -- and might I say, quite tragic -- agenda, tho.
 
But YOU DON'T HAVE TO ROTATE ALL 3 AT THE SAME TIME.
How hard is that to understand ?!?

We would have been different team if Kudus would have started.
We would have been different team if Xavi would have started instead of Sarr.

Football is game of small margins. And Frank got it badly wrong yesterday.
These are the things Frank has to discover for himself.

We know the full limitation of these players.

Frank is still in a discovery phase and will see, relatively quickly, that the players he thinks he can count on, he can't.

All normal stuff for a new manager to chop, change, mix and match and see what works and what works consistently and what can be relied on, in the heat of battle.

I said before the game began that it was a calculated risk and it was just that.

It didn't pay off and he really should have changed it at half time instead of waiting another 20mins.

But at the same time, if he starts Kudus and he pulls something, then people say he should have rested him because iT's OnLy BoDo.

Kudus is arguably our most important player for our game to function, at all.

You need to stop the hysterics, tho.

You're coming across like a toddler.

This is all normal territory for a new manager who is getting to know his players.

He's doing well, considering injuries we have, still picking up points and maintaining commitment levels of the players until we get some of our effective attacking players back, which he hasn't had.

I'm sure none of this will temper your false narrative building, but at least try and digest some level of reasoned evaluation of the situation and keep your knickers on.
 
Couldn't agree more.

There is NOTHING to praise there.
But he fucked up worse than any individual on the field, also refused to make amends in HT. So maybe he felt guilty enough not to rip into them.

It is Champions League. Its the biggest freaking competition. Okay, luckly there were many games at the same time, but if we would have lost against such garbage team, we would have been (rightfully) total laughing stock. No excuses. VERY poor performance, let's please learn from it and do better next time around.
Bodo are a pretty good team, won 4 league titles in 5 years and Norwegian league has been improving exporting lots of players like Haaland, Odegaard, Sørloth, Bobb etc.

Saying they are garbage is exactly the reason we played bad, underestimating any team can end up biting you back.
 
What are you on about.....you talk like we have a massive injury crisis when we only have 3 players out. Yes Madison is a big miss but he was constantly injured under Ange as well. We have signed Simons and Kudus to add some quality and creativity.
3? Solanke, Maddison, Kolo Muani, Kulusevski and Dragusin have hardly kicked a ball between them all season. Udogie was also injured until recently but its the front 4 injuries that are killing us along with not replacing Son properly.
 
Ten games in and for me Frank has made an average start. I'm currently very concerned at a string of poor performances not just away but at home too. Pleasing to see the character on display for recent comebacks but we should never be in the position to have to perform these turnarounds anyway.

I accept this could be a frustrating season, probably similar to Poch's first year in 2014/15 when in a few games we really turned it on but in many others we were just horrific (Stoke away that year lingers).

I still need convincing on Frank but as long as he keeps the points ticking over I'm happy to award him some deserved and needed time to get his ideas across. I do believe we are hamstrung by probably our worst attack strikers wise since (possibly) the late 1970s. Frank does need better options here.
 
Watching some of these Champions League games and we could well get a hiding from one of the elite teams. I just hope everyone sticks with the manger and players because it will happen, the level is just bone why we can play at. I wouldn’t use the super cup as a barometer either.
 
First five games

🅻
European Super Cup away against PSG 2-2 (lost on penalties)

🆆 Premier League at home to Burnley 3-0

🆆 Premier League away at Manchester City 0-2

🅻 Premier League at home to Bournemouth 0-1

🆆 Premier League away at West Ham 0-3


Last five games

🆆
Champions League at home to Villarreal 1-0

🅳 Primer League away at Brighton 2-2

🆆 League Cup at home to Doncaster 3-0

🅳 Premier League at home to Wolves 1-1

🅳 Champions League away at Bodo Glimt 2-2


Next five games

Premier League away at Leeds

Premier League at home to Villa

Champions League away at Monaco

Premier League away at Everton

Premier League away at Newcastle
So...played okay vs PSG when they were at 20% capacity, beat a promoted team and the worst City side in a decade. Then we were atrocious the following 7 games incl Spam and Donny.
 
Watching some of these Champions League games and we could well get a hiding from one of the elite teams. I just hope everyone sticks with the manger and players because it will happen, the level is just bone why we can play at. I wouldn’t use the super cup as a barometer either.
If we can get something out of Monaco (just drew with City), beat Copenhagen (lost tonight against Carrier Bag), then we would have had Kolo with some games under his belt (all being well), Solanke back and, possibly, Kulu back, to give us much better strength up front to face PSG on Nov 24th.

Xavi/Kudus/Kulu/Kolo/Solanke should make you much more positive about our first super tough test in the CL.

This is THE main set-back for us, right now.

Got to get injuries to attackers behind us.
 
Ok- Simons and Kudus to cover for absence of Maddison and Kulusevski if we compare to majority of the last season - fair.

Now outline exactly who are the players that do cover Son and Solanke, who both were available most of the last season? .... im waiting... who are the brilliant attacking players that fill their boots?!? Odobert? Tel? cant use Johnson - he was available then and is now.

Richarlison covers Solanke. Kudos covers an ageing and declining Son.
 
Unbelievably Richarlison has managed to stay fit so he kind of makes up for the loss of Solanke. Yes Solanke offers more control up front but in terms of goal output and threat they are pretty similar

The loss of Son is massive. He has been on the downturn in recent years and is no longer the player he was but when fit he still offered a goal and assist threat, definitely more that the likes of Odobert and Tel

I'd say Kudos is Son's replacement, but his goal and assist output doesn't match peak Son's but as you say Son declining anyway and couldn't beat a man anymore or create enough space to get a shot away.
 
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