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It's almost as if he is playing FIFA
Ok, so we do agree that current pick of attackers is far inferior to what Ange had to use? Meaning that on attacking side (where we have issues) Franks job is more difficult..
I thought that you were arguing exactly for opposite view...
Yeah, Bodo at home are no mugs. Been said many times. People see "small team" and think "easy". But they are a throwback and an effective one. We should win that game yes, and I think we could have won without some daft rotation, but a draw there isn't a terrible result as some are making out
True. We've been hobbled by awful recruitment and a guy who justified his penny pinching with a "others aren't sustainable" delusion. We've then had a poor coach for two years.
It will take time. I believe Frank is a good choice. Perhaps not the best, but at least a good choice to build something that works. Something that makes us a consistent top 5 team with good chances of winning cups, and if the investment comes, perhaps even more. But it will take at least until next season for us to be Frank's team properly.
We've become a fanbase addicted to chaos. Apart from 3 years under Poch we've had the best part of 13 years, certainly the last 7 of short term managers, Levy, the stadium, chaotic poor football and terrible transfer windows. Constant talking points and circular arguments.
I'd have sacked most of our managers before they were actually binned (apart from Poch and Redknapp) because i think you can always tell 12 to 18 months in but no one stands a chance if they're being judged this early. Poch and Redknapp would have been gone first few months, Iraola at Bournemouth had a shocking start, look at Glasner at Palace start of last season after a decent spell the season before.
What narrative building?
I've been saying that many times - I am talking about dogshit performance.
I am not saying we should sack the manager or release the players. There is difference between two options.
You can be happy with getting outplayed and lucky win against Norwegian team without any international players. You don't have to convince everyone else to be satisfied with that.
Bodo will always be an anomaly of a match. The trek to get there, the climate, the pitch, the fact they're actually a decent team. Their home record is exemplary against many much "bigger" sides than them. Wins against Besiktas, Maccabi, Twente, Olympakos, Lazio, just last season prove that they punch about their weight. Consistently.
We've been there twice now and are unbeaten.
And it wouldn't be outrageous to suggest Tuesday was as much to do with the pitch as the performance itself.
The only one who Ange had that could make a significant contribution for Frank is Son
Apart from that I think Frank has enough at his disposal for us to be better going forward than we are at the moment. However I fully understand that he and his coaches have been concentrating on our defence so that we are watertight at the back.
Still, I think fans have to understand that even if we had a fully fit attack with every player available we will still play a certain brand of football like we saw Frank's teams at Brentford play. His principles and methods that worked for him in the past won't change now that he is at Spurs.
Beat them comfortably twice last season... they've spent 5.5m euros and we've spent over 150m since then and apparently we now have a better coach... so what gives??? It was a terrible result but far worse that the result was the performance... it was shocking... we have regressed and I know exactly what you will come back with... we're 4th in the league, not lost a game yet, Madders and Kulu are injured (players half us couldn't wait to replace in the summer)... we've played undercooked City, 2 mid table meh teams and 3 relegation candidates... teams don't fear us, they know we can only hurt them from set pieces or on the break so they can comfortably go at us knowing that if they are a little bit organised they can nullify Frank's football with ease. That's the reality and these injured players coming back won't make a blind bit of difference if we stick to low risk pragmatic football.
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So how do you explain Ange's start? Not every manager needs time... I saw a post on here saying it's going to take 2 years for Frank to sort this out... I simply don't prescribe to that, and I am not waiting 2 fucking years for some green shoots... we need to see some sort of improvement even if it is piecemeal... but we aren't... we are seeing regression week after week and the soft scheduled has glossed over how impotent our attack is.
Poch in his first season in charge took until end of October to get us into our stride and we never looked back. 2 years is a waste of time and money.
You will though. You won't have a choice.
Now give it a rest you boring, muggy little swamprat.
Still early days but the biggest concern for me is the following
Being weak in attack we need to be defensively solid . We could and should have conceded 4 or 5 last night , even worse it was Bodo Glimt not PSG .
Still positive about Frank but we were spanked last night and got away with it
Being weak in attack we need to be defensively solid . We could and should have conceded 4 or 5 last night , even worse it was Bodo Glimt not PSG .
Still positive about Frank but we were spanked last night and got away with it
What did his start prove? Total flash in the pan. We got results but please dont tell me some of those performances were much cop, Sheff Utd, Luton, Brentford, Liverpool with 9 men, Palace. We rode our luck as we're doing now. For what its worth i agree, 2 years is too long, think you can see before that but no one has got a magic wand to make a team that finished 17th and currently has front 4 options of Johnson Kudus, Simmons, Tel, Odobert and Richarlison into a fantastic, cohesive team in a few weeks. Its delusional.
It's football. It doesn't follow that beating a team last season means you'll beat them this season! I actually think we were tired vs Bodo who had had about 10 days since their last game. But in any event you could turn your argument round and point to league results and ask how on earth we explain not getting cuffed by Brighton etc. We are work in progress. We were 17th last year, getting pumped silly every weekend. Not easy to get us where we should be in a couple of months!
Chill, we're 4th in the league, not lost a game yet and Madders and Kulu are injured....
Ange was too attacking and had no appreciation for defensive discipline or adapting to opponents tactics. We just played with an aggressive style of play and attacked every game. It worked quiet well when we had all our best players fit and we were able to dominate and beat teams. However, once managers figured him out he didn't adapt or have any plan B. Frank is almost the opposite. We have no real style of play but we set up to be very hard to break down. We are overly aware of the oppositions strengths and almost show them too much respect! This is fine against superior teams but most our prem games will be against teams who should be inferior.
Frank is still only a few games in so happy to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that he is working on an attacking style of play which we'll use regularly in home games against relegation teams. We shouldn't be doing long throw ins at home to Wolves. We should be going short and playing through them with our superior football players.
Ironically enough, from a neutral POV, we've probably gone from the most exciting team in the league to the most boring team in the league to watch.
Frank is still only a few games in so happy to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that he is working on an attacking style of play which we'll use regularly in home games against relegation teams. We shouldn't be doing long throw ins at home to Wolves. We should be going short and playing through them with our superior football players.
Ironically enough, from a neutral POV, we've probably gone from the most exciting team in the league to the most boring team in the league to watch.
Hasn't Frank always been known to have slow starts, will be no difference here, right now this is his bottom, lets give him a few months and see what his ceiling is........
Think we looked best against PSG. And we played with two up front, rather than one striker and two wingers. And it didn't hamper our attack at all. In fact, both Kudus and Richy seemed to thrive in that role.
Maybe it's time to try that formation again.
Maybe it's time to try that formation again.
There is no elasticity there.Chill, we're 4th in the league, not lost a game yet and Madders and Kulu are injured....
You can't reason with Cult members.
Waste of energy.