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Anyway - back to calm, rational, considered, objective discussion of our CURRENT MANAGER - Thomas Frank Esquire.

GET THIS FUCKING CLUELESS ANOREXIC DANISH CUNT OUT OF MY CLUB! DRAWING AT HOME TO WOLVES IS NOT ACCEPTABLE! BODO FUCKING GLIMPT COULD HAVE HAD FIVE PAST US THE CLUELESS USELESS PASTRY COUNTRY SLIM CUNT. AND HOW MANY PLAYERS IS HE GOING TO INJURE WITH HIS TRAINING "TACTICS" EH?! DEAD LEG WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT! SOLANKE WAS JUST A KNOCK EH? YOU LYING DANISH PASTY CUNT!

Or something like that...
 
Kosher Kid said:
You've nailed it.

What he has failed to realise
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Correction: what I have already dealt with, and which you can't answer is this:

That's why we were in it. We came 4th the year before, behind Watford (2nd), but ahead of Forest (5th) and Villa (6th), all of whom were in the competition with us. The same is true for every league which participated, from Austria to Belgium.

Of course, the modern CL now takes the top 4 of every (big) league, so many of those clubs would now be in the higher competition, but most leagues still only get 1 or 2 teams qualified, and we all know that they're little more than fodder now for the big teams of the Big 5 leagues to gobble up at will. European football used to be more competitive in general before the modern period, and now it's ruled by a handful of clubs from an even smaller handful of leagues.

The best clubs not from the Big 5 leagues? They're all aiming for the Europa League now. That's who we beat, instead of the also-rans of the 80s. Not a whole lot of difference in quality, really.

Try again.

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Kosher Kid said:
Anyone with historical memories of these European nights has some perspective on these matters.
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Your perspective is fueled by beer-soaked memories and nostalgia bias designed to denigrate the present. Utterly useless in a proper discussion.
 
Fattynomates said:
So what i'm hearing is Ange wasn't responsible for the EL win, the players were, but Ange was to blame for us finishing 17th and the players weren't , is that right? Surely both can't be True! :angesmile2:

I get this is the TF thread and as I have said before i'm glad he is here now, and i'm fully behind him! ( :adegrin:)

But is it so hard to even give Ange a tiny bit of Credit for giving us one of the best nights as a Spurs fan that we have had in years? :angecup:
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Played Angeball in the league and got beat. Against decent teams that worked it out.

Played anti-angeball in the Europa League against part-timers and won it.

The evidence isn't even buried
 
Datzlo said:
No, but the Dutch league was. The rest of the Feyenoord team wasn't exactly special.



What you mean is: I've probably corrected you before when you try to sell a false narrative full of rose-tinted nostalgia bias and disingenuous claptrap. It's not my fault that your poor-faith arguments trying to pretend that the 80s EL was harder to win are easily debunked with facts. Your drunken memories from that time are not reliable or useful in a conversation of fact.



No they weren't, they were easier because you only had to knock out the 2nd best team in Ireland, you dork. Perhaps you're still floating from the glory of defeating the 5th-best team in Croatia on away goals, too, but if so then you have no reason at all to denigrate beating the FA Cup finalists just because it was under Levy's tenure.
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So you admit that the Feyenoord team Spurs beat 6-2 over two legs in 1984 had at least two world class players in it?

Two more world class players / household names than Bodo Glimt, Carabag, Ferencvaros, Hoffenheim, Elfsborg, and AZ from the 2025 campaign put together?

" Your drunken memories from that time are not reliable or useful in a conversation of fact."
I'm teetotal and I was 14 when Spurs won the U.E.F.A. Cup

" you dork."
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAaDeUrom4o&list=RDpAaDeUrom4o&start_radio=1
 
_mehstg said:
The Europa League trophy that was presented to us in Bilbao is the exact same trophy that was presented to us at White Hart Lane in 1972 when we beat Wolves. The format has changed... I will give you that... but the records will also show that 4 of Liverpool's 6 wins in the Champions League were in the previous format so I am guessing they don't count either... seriously, I don't get the need to undermine the one achievement we've had in the last 18 years. It's baffling.
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AKA "the truest fan is the one that hates us the most" syndrome.

:frankfacepalm:
 
Datzlo said:
It's just a way to undermine Levy/ENIC, seeing as they finally got us what the haters have been screaming for. That's the only reason it's questioned.

As to the format, though, yes that changed, but the relative difficulty hasn't lowered as much as is made out. Back in 1984, it was a competition for teams who did not win their leagues, and did not win any domestic cups, since both of those things qualified you for the European Cup proper and the CWC respectively.

That's why we were in it. We came 4th the year before, behind Watford (2nd), but ahead of Forest (5th) and Villa (6th), all of whom were in the competition with us. The same is true for every league which participated, from Austria to Belgium.

Of course, the modern CL now takes the top 4 of every (big) league, so many of those clubs would now be in the higher competition, but most leagues still only get 1 or 2 teams qualified, and we all know that they're little more than fodder now for the big teams of the Big 5 leagues to gobble up at will. European football used to be more competitive in general before the modern period, and now it's ruled by a handful of clubs from an even smaller handful of leagues.

The best clubs not from the Big 5 leagues? They're all aiming for the Europa League now. That's who we beat, instead of the also-rans of the 80s. Not a whole lot of difference in quality, really.
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A key point you are missing is how few big teams there were in the EC of old vs the UEFA Cup of old, and that there were generally far more "big teams" back them. Sad but true, as the concentration of wealth has meant only a few clubs now matter in the CL. Back then the (many more) clubs that mattered split between the EC and UEFA, with more of them - due to the qualification mechanism - playing each year in the UEFA.

The Anderlecht team we beat was a who's who of Belgian football at the time. Now those star players would (De Bruyne style), be playing in England, Spain or Italy.

The other related point to make is that the title winner "in-year" is often a team that finished 2-5 the previous year. And were therefore the best team in their land, but in the UEFA Cup.

So it's not quite how you're describing it!
 
manmountainbutters said:
A key point you are missing is how few big teams there were in the EC of old vs the UEFA Cup of old, and that there were generally far more "big teams" back them. Sad but true, as the concentration of wealth has meant only a few clubs now matter in the CL. Back then the (many more) clubs that mattered split between the EC and UEFA, with more of them - due to the qualification mechanism - playing each year in the UEFA.

The Anderlecht team we beat was a who's who of Belgian football at the time. Now those star players would (De Bruyne style), be playing in England, Spain or Italy.

The other related point to make is that the title winner "in-year" is often a team that finished 2-5 the previous year. And were therefore the best team in their land, but in the UEFA Cup.

So it's not quite how you're describing it!
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:dembelelol:I've tried explaining it to him bud but he is on a mission for Levy's honour.
 
Datzlo said:
I'm certainly someone who has had to defend him against bitter, clueless, idiot anti-Levy cultists over the years. It's funny how your side can never have a discussion of facts or reason, innit?


...as well as all the teams who came 5th and 6th, including those from Croatia and Austria, let alone Ireland. I've already explained why you are wrong, in the very post you are quoting (but ignoring all the details from). Here let me state it again so this time you can try to actually deal with some facts you don't like:

That's why we were in it. We came 4th the year before, behind Watford (2nd), but ahead of Forest (5th) and Villa (6th), all of whom were in the competition with us. The same is true for every league which participated, from Austria to Belgium.

Of course, the modern CL now takes the top 4 of every (big) league, so many of those clubs would now be in the higher competition, but most leagues still only get 1 or 2 teams qualified, and we all know that they're little more than fodder now for the big teams of the Big 5 leagues to gobble up at will. European football used to be more competitive in general before the modern period, and now it's ruled by a handful of clubs from an even smaller handful of leagues.

The best clubs not from the Big 5 leagues? They're all aiming for the Europa League now. That's who we beat, instead of the also-rans of the 80s. Not a whole lot of difference in quality, really.



Yes, you are, and so is any dipshit who thinks that the UEFA Cup was somehow harder to win in the 80s just because we faced the 4th-best team in Germany.

You twats are always so easy to smack around.
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Awwww poor wittle baby upset Levy is gone.

Writes so many words, none of them correct.

Maybe you should stop tongue punching Levy"s butthole and see the light for once...

He got sacked, coz he was shit at his job, and it's about time you accept that.
 
Kosher Kid said:
So you admit that the Feyenoord team Spurs beat 6-2 over two legs in 1984 had at least two world class players in it?
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They had a young Ruud Gullit who was the best player in the 12th-best league in Europe, and a Johan Cruyff on the edge of retirement, who had spent a couple of years in the US being old and crap.

LOL is this the bullshit you told yourself at the time? "Ooooh, we just beat Cruyff!!"

You were just the deluded Happy Clapper of the day, mate.

Kosher Kid said:
" Your drunken memories from that time are not reliable or useful in a conversation of fact."
I'm teetotal and I was 14 when Spurs won the U.E.F.A. Cup
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Oh, so YOU WEREN'T THERE EITHER, is what you're saying. You're just going off the reports of your drunken elders at the time. LOL this is even better! You're doubling up the unreliability of your perspective!

Shame you can't answer what I said though...

:bissoumahear:
 
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:dembelelol:I've tried explaining it to him bud but he is on a mission for Levy's honour.
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On re-reading my post I've been unfair to the CWC which, because it took precedence over UEFA qualification, was actually very prestigous

E.g. Aberdeen beat Bayern Munich and Real Madrid en route to winning it. It was actually not far off as hard to win (as a standalone comp. rather than inclusive of the qualification) as the old EC
 
Datzlo said:
They had a young Ruud Gullit who was the best player in the 12th-best league in Europe, and a Johan Cruyff on the edge of retirement, who had spent a couple of years in the US being old and crap.

LOL is this the bullshit you told yourself at the time? "Ooooh, we just beat Cruyff!!"

You were just the deluded Happy Clapper of the day, mate.



Oh, so YOU WEREN'T THERE EITHER, is what you're saying. You're just going off the reports of your drunken elders at the time. LOL this is even better! You're doubling up the unreliability of your perspective!

Shame you can't answer what I said though...

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I was there.

I was just too young to drink. :dembelelol:


Please keep this up.

It's a beautiful thing.
 
Kosher Kid said:
I was there.
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As a child among drunken fans. Yes. Congratulations on explaining why your perspective is unreliable.

Kosher Kid said:
Please keep this up.
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Okay:

That's why we were in it. We came 4th the year before, behind Watford (2nd), but ahead of Forest (5th) and Villa (6th), all of whom were in the competition with us. The same is true for every league which participated, from Austria to Belgium.

Of course, the modern CL now takes the top 4 of every (big) league, so many of those clubs would now be in the higher competition, but most leagues still only get 1 or 2 teams qualified, and we all know that they're little more than fodder now for the big teams of the Big 5 leagues to gobble up at will. European football used to be more competitive in general before the modern period, and now it's ruled by a handful of clubs from an even smaller handful of leagues.

The best clubs not from the Big 5 leagues? They're all aiming for the Europa League now. That's who we beat, instead of the also-rans of the 80s. Not a whole lot of difference in quality, really.

Please try and answer this time instead of making excuses why you cant.

:bissoumahear:
 
We could do this for all the leagues, but just by way of example, looking at Serie A in 5 years in the second half of the 70s (random choice): Ask the question, did the team that won Serie A that year play in the EC that year or the UEFA Cup?

1974-75: UEFA

1975-76: Neither

1976-77: UEFA

1977-78: EC

1978-79: UEFA

And of course once you factor in a greater number of teams competing in the UEFA (vs the EC) who finish high up in their respective leagues, the point is only reinforced.

It's demonstrably not true to say the best teams usually or always played in the European Cup.

So big ears was always a clown show! At least until the CL! The exceptions are Liverpool, Bayern, and Ajax, who were so dominant in their domestic leagues that they often won the title while playing in the EC.
 
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