Agreed... this forum deserved your point of view.Of equal importance. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the rest. When you win the EL/Uefa cup, you win the cup. The rest is of fuck all importance, since you asked me.
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Sorry for the interruption. I'm not around these parts often, so I might be a touch eager to engage certain narratives.
For what it's worth, I agree with your take on it:
It's not my forum mate, I'm taking the piss lol. It just amazes me that people expend so much time and thought into arguing.
Like seriously folks, go and have a wank or something instead.
I wished there was a thread all about Ange where people could endlessly debate his skill or lack thereof and leave this thread for Frank and his luscious locks.
Oh wait there is. It's that way.
Oh wait there is. It's that way.
Think he's been blancing the squad best he can with fixtures we've had. Its going to get tougher from here mind. November is yucky
Wanna argue about it?
No! It isn't! You just proved it!
You've been wrong about how good the competition was, and you've been wrong about which games you attended! Your memory is unreliable and if you are basing your 'perspective' on it then you're making a fool of yourself.
What you don't realise is that it's the same size achievement as the biggest one that YOU have ever gotten hold of.
Yes, there is: you can't fucking remember the past clearly. You only misremember it because of how good it made you feel when you were a child. You were your son, and in 40 years time he'll be telling his sons about how great it was and how the younger fans just can't understand blah blah blah.
They were. You've just convinced yourself otherwise because like most bitter, miserable Levy-hating fans of today who were young in the 80s, you are telling yourself a lie about how good we were in the 80s because of how good it felt at the time, and so you can use it as a stick to beat the ownership with because they haven't made you feel that same way yet.
Rinse/repeat for the FA Cup.
Sure, but you can go fuck yourself if you are going to tell me that I'm not right just because I haven't been breathing as long as you were and was only 4 at the time you won the greatest thing you've ever seen. Take that shit and shove it up your jacksie. I'm right because all the data, stats, metrics and objective reality of the world of football backs me up.
You're still going off how you felt when you were 14 years old, and frankly, I'm not having that as an excuse to denigrate what we achieved last year.
Other than that, have a lovely day.
I see.
Well thanks for your data driven input.
Appreciate all of that.
I'm sorry about your denigrating feelings of inadequacy.
For all of your bravado it still doesn't change the fact that the Europa League, in it's current and previous form, are a downgrade on the competition that Spurs won in 1972 and 1984.
I now win this argument by playing my trump card.
After the wins in 1972 and 1984 Spurs qualified for the same competition the following season and attempted to retain the trophy they had won in 1973 and 1985 as champions.
You see;
It isn't wasn't me or any other Spurs supporters who devalued these great European competitions by making it a supplementary cup; forever in the shadow of the Champions League.
That was all the work of U.E.F.A. which if you re-read all my recent musings on this subject; I referenced in a post before you took it upon yourself to make it all about you and your hero Daniel.
Daniel is gone now.
Thanks to me and the other brave legacy supporters who saw him off.
My Eyes Have Seen The Glory.
Stick that up your 'jacksie'
Kosher Kid said:
Oh you're welcome. Just as a reminder as to what that data shows: the quality of teams we faced in 2025 and 1984 is pretty much the same. We can do a fair comparison of the leagues/teams we played against, quite easily:
In the 2025 knockouts we played:
AZ Alkmaar: 4th in Netherlands (6th best league)
Eintracht Frankfurt: 4th in Germany (3rd best league)
Bodo/Glimt: 1st in Norway (12th best league)
Manchester United: 15th in England (1st best league)
In 1984 we played:
Drogheda United: 2nd in Ireland (24th best league(!!))
Feyenoord: 1st in Netherlands (12th best league)
Bayern Munich: 4th in Germany, (1st best league)
Hadjuk Split: 2nd in Croatia (8th best league)
Anderlecht: 2nd in Belgium (6th best league)
There's really not much difference at all. I think the reason why it upsets you is because it fucks with your cherished yet unreliable childhood memories, and takes away your reason to denigrate what we achieved last season; i.e. equal our best trophy since the early 60s.
But it's not, and the data, facts, statistics and objective reality all state that it's not. The only thing saying that it is, is your dodgy memory from when you were 14 years old.
In fact, now that the EL has the winners of the domestic cups in it, arguably it's harder now. Together with the league stage format, which ensures that the best-performing teams who qualified actually make it to the knockouts, and we don't get any silly knockout ties against Drogheda United.
That's because you qualify by winning it, genius. We came 8th in 1984.
The UEFA Cup was always a supplementary cup (which is why it was the last to be created). It was created in 1972 for the also-rans of Europe to play for, since all the actual cup-winners and league winners were in other competitions, and UEFA wanted to make some extra cash. The literal entry requirement was NOT winning anything, but at least coming in a certain position in the league format you claim is so much easier than a knockout competition...
And yet you guys continue to whine about him on most threads, continuing to be wrong in everything you say. It's long been apparent that some of you hate Levy more than you love Spurs. You have no reason to denigrate the 2025 trophy other than to undermine either Levy or Ange, and we both know which one it truly is.
You wankers didn't do shit, mate. 17th place did that. Sticking with Ange was Daniel's ultimate downfall. You've been wrong for 20 years.
Edit: by the way, do you remember that in 1972, the inaugural UEFA Cup, we faced another English team in the final? Wolverhampton had beaten Ferencváros (whom you keep mocking) in the semi, while we scraped past Milan, the only decent team we played all tournament?
I bet you don't...
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This is what Frank ought to shoot for as a bare minimum:
Villa (H) - 1
Everton (A) - 3
Newcastle (A) - 1
Chelsea (H) - 1
United (H) - 1
Woolwich (A) - 0
Monaco (A) - 1
Copenhagen (H) - 3
PSG (A) - 0
This is a really rough stretch of games. 11/27 maybe doesn't sound like much, but by at least drawing our rivals, we prevent them from making up points on us. If we can turn 1 or 2 of these into wins that would make it a lot sweeter. Villa and United home probably would be easiest to turn into wins. That would give us 15/27 which would be more than respectable. Monaco away is possibly doable as well, but will be tough, as would be Newcastle away and Chelsea home. I have no real hope for Woolwich or PSG away- if we can nick a point either of those places it would be an accomplishment.
Yeah, bare minimum.
Think we can beat Villa and we should be beating Manure tbf.
Think I'm slightly more optimistic than you. I'd find 9pts from EPL acceptable and realistic. I also have 4pts acceptable for CL but think we squeeze out 6pts.
Mate, that would be a disaster run. We’d be in a fucked position in the league and CL after that run. And don’t start with that no hope at woolwich nonsense. They aren’t gods.
Should be…
Well, I am not sure any coach should plan to lose! As a bare minimum, we should prepare and plan to WIN every game.
Always seeing us as 2nd best is why Spurs were unable to win a trophy for decades. Spurs squad is fantastic and beats all of those teams if well prepared.
The prompt wasn’t “should Frank plan to win every game or not?”…
This was the prompt:
The amount of pent-up homoeroticism from the staunch anti-levy fans is crazy.
You do you obviously, but this constant need to graphically tell other grown men to perform sex acts on Levy is fucking weird.