Manager Thomas Frank

[thinktank]

I'm happy to give Frank time, at least this season but we've only won one home game vs Burnley the rest have been draws or losses. 1W 1D 2L 8 points dropped at home already. Our next home game in the PL is against Chelsea, It's not easy to predict the outcome.

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Players and fans still stuck in last season's slump spell at home that needs to be broken.

This is why some of us warned that accepting and allowing a losing habit to be formed has serious repercussions and would cause deep negative effect.

Frank has a big holistic job to do and needs time to chip away at it all.

He's not Gandalf.

 

[Nuts]

Players and fans still stuck in last season's slump spell at home that needs to be broken.

This is why some of us warned that accepting and allowing a losing habit to be formed has serious repercussions and would cause deep negative effect.

Frank has a big holistic job to do and needs time to chip away at it all.

He's not Gandalf.

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Probably a good thing, otherwise no-one would ever pass the ball.

 

[_mehstg]

I'm happy to give Frank time, at least this season but we've only won one home game vs Burnley the rest have been draws or losses. 1W 1D 2L 8 points dropped at home already. Our next home game in the PL is against Chelsea, It's not easy to predict the outcome.

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Really... I think I can take a confident stab.

 

[dudu]

If I remember that incorrectly, fine. I don't remember it ever being as bad as this. You were the one that brought up Poch anyway.

Fact of the matter, is what we're seeing now is aimless, cautious, crap. Even with poor forwards, there's no excuses for how one dimensional we are and how we are going forward. This isn't any better than what Nuno served up, and everyone knew that was a poor appointment that was going nowhere. This feels like the same thing. And until we go out and control one whole game, I'm going to keep criticising him. We're not Brentford, we're not Stoke, this is just bad. I'm entitled to my opinion, which is backed up statistics, which say we're overachieving at both ends of the pitch, had a very handy run and that results will inevitably match performances. Like I fear that they will over the next two months.

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You can use stats all you want but to say there aren't excuses is frankly absurd.

More accomplished managers with better teams have looked bereft of ideas after new appointments with completely new forward lines after 8 games.

 

[_mehstg]

You can use stats all you want but to say there aren't excuses is frankly absurd.

More accomplished managers with better teams have looked bereft of ideas after new appointments with completely new forward lines after 8 games.

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Like who?

 

[latman]

I'd love Frank to play Gray with Palhinha, Xavi in the ten.

Gray can see and make those progressive passes from deeper positions which will find Xavi in the pockets.

Honestly think Gray is ideal to partner Palhinha.

 

[Allejo10]

I'd love Frank to play Gray with Palhinha, Xavi in the ten.

Gray can see and make those progressive passes from deeper positions which will find Xavi in the pockets.

Honestly think Gray is ideal to partner Palhinha.

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And one of our best games this season was with him, Sarr and Bergvall on the midfield, on the opening day, then Frank changed to this stupid Palhinha and Bentancur partnership.

 

[latman]

And one of our best games this season was with him, Sarr and Bergvall on the midfield, on the opening day, then Frank changed to this stupid Palhinha and Bentancur partnership.

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Agreed. I'd like to see Frank being more dynamic with his midfield selections..

I don't mind Bentancur and Palhinha away at the tougher places.

But at home or against sides were we have more quality I just don't get it.It impedes our ability to attack and I find it concerning that he keeps doing it.

I really like Frank but he's disappointed me with the constant selecting of Bent-Pal.

To be honest, I'd rather see Bergvall than Bentancur at the tougher away games as well.

Bentancur just looks sluggish a lot of the time.

 

[Papafeels]

You can use stats all you want but to say there aren't excuses is frankly absurd.

More accomplished managers with better teams have looked bereft of ideas after new appointments with completely new forward lines after 8 games.

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Okay. Sure.

Well, I hope you continue to enjoy the lovely football we're being served up. Because I can say with certainty, that if we go through the remainder of this run, playing like we are, we're in deep shit. Feel free to circle back.

 

[Murphy]

Maybe we shouldn't call ourselves fans or supporters then and call ourselves customers?

I totally get where you are coming from and its not just our fanbase.

I just think the fans that wait to be entertained before making noise make our ground an easier touch for the Oppo and officials. It really got my goat the other day that the loudest we got was to boo at the end and the performance didn't even deserve that....

I don't think its a coincidence that take Liverpool for example (I know I'm obsessed by my loathing of them) historically have had a very vociferous and vocal fanbase. And when they turn it up at Anfield it lifts their players, it intimidates our players and importantly the officials fall into it, they are only human and get caught up in it.

There is also a North/South element to this discussion.

Traditionally your Northern teams have louder and more fanatical fans I've always found. Though gentrification and pricing controls have changed the face of football across the board.

Broadly speaking the louder the stadium the better for our players think we can all agree on that.

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I think that one of the bigger issues for our ground is that the away supporters have a prominent spot, and with the generous allocation, their voices are very well heard and carried around the stadium.

Even with the greater number of our own fans, if there’s not enough noise it’s immediately drowned out by a selection that always sing.

 

[thinktank]

This gives a good idea of the sort of final third contribution potential we've been missing.

Included son as not looking like we've properly replaced what he did manage to bring in his final season.

Not pin point accuracy, but does show what Frank has had to compensate for and still somehow extract goals out of us.

Objectively, has managed to work a minor miracle.

With this crucial challenge he's faced, he's proved that he should be given the time and space to work with this squad and be allowed to have key missing elements return and additional players catered to his taste and requirements signed, for him to build a fully functional machine.

Only then should he be, ultimately, judged on his ability to bring the future success we desire.

He needs a season.

Let him work.

 

[Bazali]

Fear, fear fear. In two months we will be in the top 8.

More than happy to take that bet with you.

Frank inherited an absolute shambles. So far he has improved things. And needs to keep improving.

Your hero has gone.

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I hope that you’re right but after recent performances I think we’ll do well to get too half although we do have injuries coming back

 

[dudu]

Okay. Sure.

Well, I hope you continue to enjoy the lovely football we're being served up. Because I can say with certainty, that if we go through the remainder of this run, playing like we are, we're in deep shit. Feel free to circle back.

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No one is on here saying they are enjoying it. Literally no one. Just that growing pains under the circumstances are understandable.

Thats it.

Youre saying its not.

 

[Papafeels]

No one is on here saying they are enjoying it. Literally no one. Just that growing pains under the circumstances are understandable.

Thats it.

Youre saying its not.

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There's growing pains, and there's this. We may as well have just hired Dyche if we want to be a shut up shop team. 8 PL games and 3/4 cup games in and still look like we have no clue how to play.

And again, we might be sneaking results, but the level of opposition for the most part has been relatively handy, and when we look at our next league games til Jan, I see maybe Forest as the only winnable one.
If we go on a 5/6 game run without a win, what then? If the whole premise is to be hard to beat, and we start losing, playing like we are, that's unacceptable.

 

[Richard Arlison]

This gives a good idea of the sort of final third contribution potential we've been missing.

Included son as not looking like we've properly replaced what he did manage to bring in his final season.

Not pin point accuracy, but does show what Frank has had to compensate for and still somehow extract goals out of us.

Objectively, has managed to work a minor miracle.

With this crucial challenge he's faced, he's proved that he should be given the time and space to work with this squad and be allowed to have key missing elements return and additional players catered to his taste and requirements signed, for him to build a fully functional machine.

Only then should he be, ultimately, judged on his ability to bring the future success we desire.

He needs a season.

Let him work.

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This assumes that those players would be giving the same output under a different manager.

Son in particular definitely wouldn’t be putting big numbers and performances anymore. Kulusevski gets pelters on here. Maddison is definitely a huge miss.

Frank just doubled down in the Monaco PC that he feels we played well against Villa. He looks like he’s feeling the pressure a bit.

There’s a ton of things that can explain why we wouldn’t be performing great just yet and all of them understandable at this early stage in a new system, but I’d probably prefer he was up front and said we didn’t play great against Villa.

 

[thinktank]

This assumes that those players would be giving the same output under a different manager.

Son in particular definitely wouldn’t be putting big numbers and performances anymore. Kulusevski gets pelters on here. Maddison is definitely a huge miss.

Frank just doubled down in the Monaco PC that he feels we played well against Villa. He looks like he’s feeling the pressure a bit.

There’s a ton of things that can explain why we wouldn’t be performing great just yet and all of them understandable at this early stage in a new system, but I’d probably prefer he was up front and said we didn’t play great against Villa.

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I think I've made enough caveats there to accommodate variables.

And is a reasonable point about potential effective attacking load we're missing.

It's a fair extrapolation to highlight a glaring deficit Frank is having to content with.

 

[McCOYS]

Players and fans still stuck in last season's slump spell at home that needs to be broken.

This is why some of us warned that accepting and allowing a losing habit to be formed has serious repercussions and would cause deep negative effect.

Frank has a big holistic job to do and needs time to chip away at it all.

He's not Gandalf.

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I'm not going to blame Postecoglou for any failings this season. If we lose 10 or more games at home this season like we did last, the blame is rightly on the players, present manager, and coaching staff.

It's just some football matches, it's not an exercise in trying to get players out of a hypnotic state that was applied by the previous manager. And anyway they managed to change tact in the Europa Cup final easily enough, so they're not stuck in a losing mode from last season, they won the first two matches this season, if anything the results are getting worse.

But again, I'm happy to give Frank time but I'm not going to blame any present failings on last season.

 

[thinktank]

I'm not going to blame Postecoglou for any failings this season. If we lose 10 or more games at home this season like we did last, the blame is rightly on the players, present manager, and coaching staff.

It's just some football matches, it's not an exercise in trying to get players out of a hypnotic state that was applied by the previous manager. And anyway they managed to change tact in the Europa Cup final easily enough, so they're not stuck in a losing mode from last season, they won the first two matches this season, if anything the results are getting worse.

But again, I'm happy to give Frank time but I'm not going to blame any present failings on last season.

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Just doesn't work like that.

Psychologically you have to climb out of the pit, sometimes.

Just the way it is.

You can't just dismiss it as a non-factor.

Though a 10 game home loss tally would acquire status of concern in it's own right, for sure.

 

[McCOYS]

Just doesn't work like that.

Psychologically you have to climb out of the pit, sometimes.

Just the way it is.

You can't just dismiss it as a non-factor.

Though a 10 game home loss tally would acquire status of concern in it's own right, for sure.

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The team has won more Premier League matches than it's lost this season, in fact twice as many, So it's not stuck in a psychological losing mentality, It's simply a shit home record to collect 4 points from 4 matches.

Started well, the first 4 games this season earning 9 points, That means the next 4 matches earned just 5 points.

 

[thinktank]

The team has won more Premier League matches than it's lost this season, in fact twice as many, So it's not stuck in a psychological losing mentality, It's simply a shit home record to collect 4 points from 4 matches.

Started well, the first 4 games this season earning 9 points, That means the next 4 matches earned just 5 points.

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The psychological aspect refers specifically to the HOME loss factor, tho.

That's my point.

My view is there is some sort of hangover there that needs to be resolved.

I think others sense it.

The away dynamic is a different kettle of fish.

If you disagree, you disagree tho.

I don't mind.

I expect Frank to crack the code, sooner than later, tho.