Kane is the GOAT and we won't see another in our lifetimes.
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Rooney is definitely in that conversation.
Probably Gerrard too. Beckham if we are talking England only performances.
Rooney was shit in tournaments though after 2004. Not helped by having some genuinely minging managers in charge like McLaren and Hodgson.
Difficult to judge the ‘golden generation’ when they were so poorly managed. Tuchel might have a less talented first 11 overall but he is probably a better manager than all of what we have had since Hoddle or Venables. You can have prime Messi but if the manager if shit you will struggle.
In terms of of pure ability Rooney is the best 10 I have seen in the prem (he is more a 10 than Kane is even) and while I think Bellingham and Rice are really good, they are still a level below Gerrard and Scholes who where at their peak among the very best midfielders in the world. That won’t however stop us trying to win the WC if the team is better run and better organised.
In terms of of pure ability Rooney is the best 10 I have seen in the prem (he is more a 10 than Kane is even) and while I think Bellingham and Rice are really good, they are still a level below Gerrard and Scholes who where at their peak among the very best midfielders in the world. That won’t however stop us trying to win the WC if the team is better run and better organised.
The golden generation stuff is well overblown. We are better relative to other nations now than we were then.
During the golden generation there were several uber talented national teams who were even better than us. The Brazil team that beat us at the WC was beyond stacked.
I think this is the mos talented English team relative to other national sides ever. There are a few other nations on the same level but none very clearly a big step above, imo.
You do make good point regarding Brazil, that was a sensational team. Still the use of Carrick, Scholes Gerrard etc and the failure to build the best team but rather play the best individuals often out of position was a disaster. You could see it at the time, so desperate to get Lampard in the side they blew the structure. Tuchel would never have done that I don’t think and this is where we have more hope. We might have a team rather than randoms, Spain are better than us on paper perhaps, if we are better set up they are beatable.
Football as a whole isn't quite at what it was 15-20 years ago. The likes of Germany, Italy and Netherlands are weaker. Croatia and Belgium are nowhere near what they were just 5 years ago. You could also say the same for Brazil and Argentina if you compare their 11 man to man from some of their teams from yesteryear.
Even Spain. They're probably the best team in the world right now but they still don't compare to the team they had when you would see the likes of Torres, Fabregas and Alonso on the bench.
I'm not English and would argue that this generation is a much better side. Quality all over the pitch, and their not ego monsters like they were back then.
Ah come on Charlton wasn't even the best player at utd let alone England Att
Bobby Charlton said the best and most skilful player he ever played with was Duncan Edwards and that is considering even George Best. A lot from that generation thought Edwards was a different level to everyone else. Shame he died so young.
Depends how long you live? I certainly won't but due to my extreme age, I have seen a few players as good.
He looks like a miserable sod....
To be fair most top managers do. Pep looks like he is wrestling with demons all the time.
Kane is a cheat code. Tried our hardest to stop him, but just couldn't. England have a real shot in the WC with Tuchel.
I thought you were rock solid until you tired a bit and we bought on the energy of Foden and Rashford. You could have even gone ahead. I see it as a very good away victory. But sadly, a lot of casual and clueless England fans will think "it's only Albania" and will wonder why we only scored twice.
Oh yeah I agree .. but I think even all that stuff aside there’s a tendency to act like the golden generation should’ve swept all aside. Even if we got everything right there were better teams then.
Right now I think the overall most talented (depth and XI) is definitely France. Having Mbappe, Olise, Dembele, Ekitike, Doue is nightmarish in transition. Spain have the best football identity and highest technical benchpoint and when Spain have that and a star forward or two they’re a monster. Argentina probably have the best team spirit/competitiveness.
I think within that England could have space to be the most adaptable/tactical team under Tuchel. Combined with easily being one of the most talented teams. The favourites will be Spain, France, England, Argentina & Portugal. I don’t think among that group anyone is massively ahead of anyone else.
Palmer is the key imo. Him in top form is a difference between us winning a tournament and losing it. Think he’s the most magical, light up a tournament player we have.
I haven't got over his 'Conte' moment. The rude nob.
South american teams tend to do well in their own continent. England have a chance. Tbh I will start watching it from Qf onwards.