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Liverpool spending £100m + in 2011/12

Carroll - £35m (27 games, 3 goals 1 assist)
Downing - £20m (27 games, 0 goals, 0 assists)
Charlie Cuntface - £9m (28 games, 2 goals, 6 assists, 0 tackles won [probably])
Jordan Hendersen - £16m (27 games 1 goal 1 assist)
Jose Enrique - £5m (28 games, 0 goals, 2 assists)

That's £85m already

Suarez's first season - £22m - 27 games 6 goals 3 assists; was by no means instant impact

Then Rodgers has spent £87m more...

Borini - £10.4m
Allen - £15m
Assaidi - £3m
Yesil - £1m
Sturridge - £12m
Teixeira - £800k
Luis Alberto - £6.8m
Aspas - £7m
Mignolet - £9m
Sakho - £15m
Ilori - £7m

And a few players have dropped off the radar (to me anyway) on loan...

Sahin - loan - cancelled
Moses - loan
Cissokho - loan

Liverpool have spent near £200m or so in 3 seasons.... and just because they get carried by their two bargain signings in Suarez & Sturridge all of a sudden they're shrewed :lamelashock:

Fair point, although some of that was Kenny and his love of over priced British players, Brendan Rogers with £100 million next season I would expect to see him buy just 2-3 players with that money of a pretty decent quality.
 
Really.
There is a petition on LINE to get him out.

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The problem with the Bale money was we panicked and bought a shit ton of players just to buy them. Only Soldado, Eriksen, and Chiriches truly fit the needs we had. Though you could argue that a unit like Benteke would have been a better fit as a loan striker than Soldado. Especially since Soldado has looked much better paired with a striker. Chadli and Paulinho don't seem to have well defined best positions. Capoue was just meant to be back up for Sandro? I don't even know what to say about Lamela besides that it doesn't seem like AVB wanted him. We bottled the LB spot and still didn't add a CM who could pass.

To me it looks like the board made our signings with PR in mind as opposed to actual football. They were bricking it about the fans reactions to the Bale sale and thus just bought a shit ton of players to cushion the blow. To be fair it did work as we were all thrilled after the summer window but it never made sense in football terms.

It seems like Levy and AVB were on different pages but if AVB was demanding we spend 50m on Hulk that was never going to happen nor should it have. Also AVB didn't want Eriksen? Ultimately it all goes back to missing out on Moutinho two summers ago. That was truly one of our worst possible transfer misses.

This summer just seems like Levy, AVB, and Baldini had no idea what was going on. AVB was sulking about us not going after his unrealistic dreams signings, Baldini was just trying to sign everyone, and god knows what Levy was up to.

Our next manager needs to try to find himself on the same page as Levy and whoever else is involved with our transfers. We're not going to be able to spunk more than 30m on a transfer or pay massive wages so those are parameters that need to be worked around. Also, Levy should set those parameters and then step bad and allow the manager to pick players that fit and not be a disruptive force. There needs to be a give and take.
 
The problem with the Bale money was we panicked and bought a shit ton of players just to buy them. Only Soldado, Eriksen, and Chiriches truly fit the needs we had. Though you could argue that a unit like Benteke would have been a better fit as a loan striker than Soldado. Especially since Soldado has looked much better paired with a striker. Chadli and Paulinho don't seem to have well defined best positions. Capoue was just meant to be back up for Sandro? I don't even know what to say about Lamela besides that it doesn't seem like AVB wanted him. We bottled the LB spot and still didn't add a CM who could pass.

To me it looks like the board made our signings with PR in mind as opposed to actual football. They were bricking it about the fans reactions to the Bale sale and thus just bought a shit ton of players to cushion the blow. To be fair it did work as we were all thrilled after the summer window but it never made sense in football terms.

It seems like Levy and AVB were on different pages but if AVB was demanding we spend 50m on Hulk that was never going to happen nor should it have. Also AVB didn't want Eriksen? Ultimately it all goes back to missing out on Moutinho two summers ago. That was truly one of our worst possible transfer misses.

This summer just seems like Levy, AVB, and Baldini had no idea what was going on. AVB was sulking about us not going after his unrealistic dreams signings, Baldini was just trying to sign everyone, and god knows what Levy was up to.

Our next manager needs to try to find himself on the same page as Levy and whoever else is involved with our transfers. We're not going to be able to spunk more than 30m on a transfer or pay massive wages so those are parameters that need to be worked around. Also, Levy should set those parameters and then step bad and allow the manager to pick players that fit and not be a disruptive force. There needs to be a give and take.
I seem to be in the minority but I like all of our new signings, with the exception of Paulinho (but even think he will come good as history shows that the South American players appear to take the longest to settle into the perm). No team in the history of football have won anything having bought so many players into a squad in one go, so why everyone believed we would I find strange. It is widely accepted that you are lucky if a new (foreign player) signing settles into a club by six months and the expectation is it takes 12 month, these are Sir Les's words when interviewed before he and Sherwood got the gig, so seeing that our last signing was 7 months ago I honestly don't get where the expectation has come from that for some special reason the settling in period doesn't apply to Tottenham. Not only this but every single one of them has been injured only slows down this process.
I addition to this would I take back Huddlestone, no. Would I take back BAE, no (although I say this as expected a new player here.) Would I take back Livermore, no. Would I take back Defoe, no. I could go on but I still believe these players once settled will push this club on, but we need an experienced manager.
For me my biggest disappointment has been in our existing players:
Sandro, struggling for fitness but bellow par,
Lennon our worst player this season which is odd as most of us thought he had a very good season last year mainly because he appeard to has learnt how to track back and defend.
Dawson technically appalling.
Vertonghen, one of my favourite players, over the moon when we signed him, very poor form and attitude…it's been said.
Rose, whilst new to the fist team he was Sunderlands best player last year and used to the Prem. He has shown to be at Championship level at best.
Walker, I have to say IMO he is our 2nd best player.
Naughton, never liked the guy, but thought he had taken his chances well when given the opportunity at right back, but how long did that last?……3 or 4 games then back to utter shit.
Dembele, love the player, probably our most technically gifted player in our team. I can't work out if he has been crap or asked to play in a way that doesn't suit his game, either way I recall the partnership both he and Sandro formed last year which was envied throughout Europe, where has that player gone?
Kaboul, when he has played he has been shocking.
Sandro, when he has played he has been poor.
Townsend, new into the first team but he has been poor
Adebayor, I guess he has been good but he hasn't scored since early Feb.
Sigurdsson, I think he is a Prem player just not top 4 quality.
Lloris, our best player! That says it all, our goal keeper is your best player.

So for me, our existing players have been shite. Our new players are still on target to click, some of them starting to show signs namely Eriksen and Chadli (best of the bunch who performed from the off has been Chiriches).
 
I seem to be in the minority but I like all of our new signings, with the exception of Paulinho (but even think he will come good as history shows that the South American players appear to take the longest to settle into the perm). No team in the history of football have won anything having bought so many players into a squad in one go, so why everyone believed we would I find strange. It is widely accepted that you are lucky if a new (foreign player) signing settles into a club by six months and the expectation is it takes 12 month, these are Sir Les's words when interviewed before he and Sherwood got the gig, so seeing that our last signing was 7 months ago I honestly don't get where the expectation has come from that for some special reason the settling in period doesn't apply to Tottenham. Not only this but every single one of them has been injured only slows down this process.
I addition to this would I take back Huddlestone, no. Would I take back BAE, no (although I say this as expected a new player here.) Would I take back Livermore, no. Would I take back Defoe, no. I could go on but I still believe these players once settled will push this club on, but we need an experienced manager.
For me my biggest disappointment has been in our existing players:
Sandro, struggling for fitness but bellow par,
Lennon our worst player this season which is odd as most of us thought he had a very good season last year mainly because he appeard to has learnt how to track back and defend.
Dawson technically appalling.
Vertonghen, one of my favourite players, over the moon when we signed him, very poor form and attitude…it's been said.
Rose, whilst new to the fist team he was Sunderlands best player last year and used to the Prem. He has shown to be at Championship level at best.
Walker, I have to say IMO he is our 2nd best player.
Naughton, never liked the guy, but thought he had taken his chances well when given the opportunity at right back, but how long did that last?……3 or 4 games then back to utter shit.
Dembele, love the player, probably our most technically gifted player in our team. I can't work out if he has been crap or asked to play in a way that doesn't suit his game, either way I recall the partnership both he and Sandro formed last year which was envied throughout Europe, where has that player gone?
Kaboul, when he has played he has been shocking.
Sandro, when he has played he has been poor.
Townsend, new into the first team but he has been poor
Adebayor, I guess he has been good but he hasn't scored since early Feb.
Sigurdsson, I think he is a Prem player just not top 4 quality.
Lloris, our best player! That says it all, our goal keeper is your best player.

So for me, our existing players have been shite. Our new players are still on target to click, some of them starting to show signs namely Eriksen and Chadli (best of the bunch who performed from the off has been Chiriches).
Can't take back The Hudd. Permanent deal.
 
I seem to be in the minority but I like all of our new signings, with the exception of Paulinho (but even think he will come good as history shows that the South American players appear to take the longest to settle into the perm). No team in the history of football have won anything having bought so many players into a squad in one go, so why everyone believed we would I find strange. It is widely accepted that you are lucky if a new (foreign player) signing settles into a club by six months and the expectation is it takes 12 month, these are Sir Les's words when interviewed before he and Sherwood got the gig, so seeing that our last signing was 7 months ago I honestly don't get where the expectation has come from that for some special reason the settling in period doesn't apply to Tottenham. Not only this but every single one of them has been injured only slows down this process.
I addition to this would I take back Huddlestone, no. Would I take back BAE, no (although I say this as expected a new player here.) Would I take back Livermore, no. Would I take back Defoe, no. I could go on but I still believe these players once settled will push this club on, but we need an experienced manager.
For me my biggest disappointment has been in our existing players:
Sandro, struggling for fitness but bellow par,
Lennon our worst player this season which is odd as most of us thought he had a very good season last year mainly because he appeard to has learnt how to track back and defend.
Dawson technically appalling.
Vertonghen, one of my favourite players, over the moon when we signed him, very poor form and attitude…it's been said.
Rose, whilst new to the fist team he was Sunderlands best player last year and used to the Prem. He has shown to be at Championship level at best.
Walker, I have to say IMO he is our 2nd best player.
Naughton, never liked the guy, but thought he had taken his chances well when given the opportunity at right back, but how long did that last?……3 or 4 games then back to utter shit.
Dembele, love the player, probably our most technically gifted player in our team. I can't work out if he has been crap or asked to play in a way that doesn't suit his game, either way I recall the partnership both he and Sandro formed last year which was envied throughout Europe, where has that player gone?
Kaboul, when he has played he has been shocking.
Sandro, when he has played he has been poor.
Townsend, new into the first team but he has been poor
Adebayor, I guess he has been good but he hasn't scored since early Feb.
Sigurdsson, I think he is a Prem player just not top 4 quality.
Lloris, our best player! That says it all, our goal keeper is your best player.

So for me, our existing players have been shite. Our new players are still on target to click, some of them starting to show signs namely Eriksen and Chadli (best of the bunch who performed from the off has been Chiriches).

I don't think any of our new players are bad players. They all have showed ability at times and they will certainly be better in their second year. The problem is if you are trying to replace your best player and your goal is to make Champions League you don't want players who are a year or two away from being quality.

My bigger concern is regarding the new boys is how they all fit together when they do feel more comfortable. Eriksen and Chadli both look like their best position is behind the striker and some have said the same of Lamela too. Will they all be able to play together? Is Soldado big and fast enough to ever be an effective lone striker in the Prem? Paulinho and Dembele don't look good playing together as they both lack high level passing ability. Capoue is ostensibly the exact same player in style as Sandro. Chiriches looks a solid signing but how much of an upgrade was he on Caulker? Just a little bit most likely.

So my concern isn't that we've bought a bunch of dross players but if they fit together in a way that allows us build a team that makes sense and is balanced. By my eye we bought two players that are incredibly similar to what we already had in Paulinho and Capoue, one in Soldado who fits better in 4-4-2 than as a loan striker, two who would ideally play off the striker (Eriksen/Chadli), who knows about Lamela, and then a decent upgrade in Chiriches.

By my eyes we weakened ourselves at LB, still don't have a passing CM, remain relying on mercurial Adebayor up top, and have questions at both wing positions. These are all things that were questions in the summer as well. So when I look at our summer I'm not too worried that our players are poor but rather if when they get more comfortable will they all ever be able to form a balanced side and fill in the positions and roles where we have holes.
 
The Yid word. Did Levy care about the three involved, or any other fans for singing a song of defines.
We are a big club with a big presence in the Premier League, this situation isn't as simple as saying 'fuck you Police, we don't care what you say' Fans can do that, but not big organisations that are bound by rules.
Poor appointments - see above. Add the failed directors of football he appointed.
and good appointments? Jol? Redknapp? What Chairman out there hasn't made poor appointments? Just look at the average shelf life of a Premier League manager..
We are not a selling club said Levy - then sold our best players for a profit. 2 more this summer.
Man United Sold Ronaldo, the supposed biggest club in the world lost their best player too. It happens. We are NOWHERE NEAR the size of United and you expect us to make a player stay against his wishes when Man U couldn't? Are you forgetting refusing to sell to Chelsea and the rumours of refusing to sell Bale to Man U? Even Ferguson said himself everything Levy does is for Spurs.
100M totally wasted last summer.
Partially agree, but then again some of these players could definitely come good. Did Levy sign them all? Were they his players or Baldinis? Did AVB agree to them? You can't blame it all on Levy? If you are by saying the buck stops with him, why don't you blame Joe Lewis for buying the club and getting Levy to run it too?
Killing the atmosphere at WHL. Boring football and the worry of arrest.
A combination of factors rather than just all being down to Levy - if half the pissed up fat old twats who go to Spurs put more effort into supporting the team rather than they do moaning when a pass is misplaced we might have a better atmosphere. Fans have to take some responsibility here too.
13 years of total failure whilst he pockets 20 plus Million.
Total failure? as apposed to the glory years of the 90s? If you are a fan of 44 years you will have seen some shit in your time thats for sure.
Great work if you can get it.

I just think we as fans need to wake up and face reality, of course we can aspire to finishing top 4 but realistically look at what we are competing against.
If you look at where Levy and ENIC have brought this club in terms of on the pitch performace over the last decade its pretty clear they have done an excellent job.
Its also pretty clear to me you don't break into the top 4 on a consistent basis until you can get the TOP players and pay the TOP wages. We just can't do that at the moment. Levy knows that and has done for some time so has to try and find another way.

Football is a game of opinions but I do wonder sometimes if people really think about our situation as a club.
 
I don't think any of our new players are bad players. They all have showed ability at times and they will certainly be better in their second year. The problem is if you are trying to replace your best player and your goal is to make Champions League you don't want players who are a year or two away from being quality.

My bigger concern is regarding the new boys is how they all fit together when they do feel more comfortable. Eriksen and Chadli both look like their best position is behind the striker and some have said the same of Lamela too. Will they all be able to play together? Is Soldado big and fast enough to ever be an effective lone striker in the Prem? Paulinho and Dembele don't look good playing together as they both lack high level passing ability. Capoue is ostensibly the exact same player in style as Sandro. Chiriches looks a solid signing but how much of an upgrade was he on Caulker? Just a little bit most likely.

So my concern isn't that we've bought a bunch of dross players but if they fit together in a way that allows us build a team that makes sense and is balanced. By my eye we bought two players that are incredibly similar to what we already had in Paulinho and Capoue, one in Soldado who fits better in 4-4-2 than as a loan striker, two who would ideally play off the striker (Eriksen/Chadli), who knows about Lamela, and then a decent upgrade in Chiriches.

By my eyes we weakened ourselves at LB, still don't have a passing CM, remain relying on mercurial Adebayor up top, and have questions at both wing positions. These are all things that were questions in the summer as well. So when I look at our summer I'm not too worried that our players are poor but rather if when they get more comfortable will they all ever be able to form a balanced side and fill in the positions and roles where we have holes.
All fair points, some I agree with and others I don't. But IMO you thinking that this team would push for top 4 this season is the problem, was never going to happen. Perhaps a slim possibility if our experienced/existing players stepped up then there may have been an outside chance, but when these players don't bother no chance (it is rare we field more than 3 new players in a game). The club should have managed the expectation far better and played everything down, I hope we learn from this can don't put such high expectations on the team and supporters.
 
All fair points, some I agree with and others I don't. But IMO you thinking that this team would push for top 4 this season is the problem, was never going to happen. Perhaps a slim possibility if our experienced/existing players stepped up then there may have been an outside chance, but when these players don't bother no chance (it is rare we field more than 3 new players in a game). The club should have managed the expectation far better and played everything down, I hope we learn from this can don't put such high expectations on the team and supporters.

It wasn't my expectation of top 4 it was the clubs. The coaches and players talk about it from day 1 and are still talking about it. It's clearly the internal goal.
 
I just think we as fans need to wake up and face reality, of course we can aspire to finishing top 4 but realistically look at what we are competing against.
If you look at where Levy and ENIC have brought this club in terms of on the pitch performace over the last decade its pretty clear they have done an excellent job.
Its also pretty clear to me you don't break into the top 4 on a consistent basis until you can get the TOP players and pay the TOP wages. We just can't do that at the moment. Levy knows that and has done for some time so has to try and find another way.

Football is a game of opinions but I do wonder sometimes if people really think about our situation as a club.
Excellent job my arse. One trophy is it in 13 years. How the fuck is that excellent. Another fan happy with sixth.
We have to get a better owner or we are finished - just another Newcastle or Villa.
At least years ago we had hope that with a couple of players we could beat anyone. I lived through the 70,s and enjoyed the early 80's and 90's. Since Levy took charge it has been terrible on the pitch - and just flat off whilst he earned millions for achieving nothing.
Every time we make progress Levy bottles it. I fucking hate him.
 
Excellent job my arse. One trophy is it in 13 years. How the fuck is that excellent. Another fan happy with sixth.
We have to get a better owner or we are finished - just another Newcastle or Villa.
At least years ago we had hope that with a couple of players we could beat anyone. I lived through the 70,s and enjoyed the early 80's and 90's. Since Levy took charge it has been terrible on the pitch - and just flat off whilst he earned millions for achieving nothing.
Every time we make progress Levy bottles it. I fucking hate him.
See this is the problem, "since Levy took charge its been terrible on the pitch" I suppose the Champions League campaign and the likes of Bale, Modric, VDV just passed you buy did they? Or were you happy with Chris Armstrong, Dean Austin and Paolo Tramezzani?
Another fan just looking at the negatives and looking for someone to blame, someone to moan at.
 
Excellent job my arse. One trophy is it in 13 years. How the fuck is that excellent. Another fan happy with sixth.
We have to get a better owner or we are finished - just another Newcastle or Villa.
At least years ago we had hope that with a couple of players we could beat anyone. I lived through the 70,s and enjoyed the early 80's and 90's. Since Levy took charge it has been terrible on the pitch - and just flat off whilst he earned millions for achieving nothing.
Every time we make progress Levy bottles it. I fucking hate him.

Out of interest (as I struggle to think of one), who would you say is a good/better owner and why?

Sometimes it's hard to read the tone/context when you can't hear the inflection in a question, but I mean this as a curiosity rather than rhetorical.
 
I am excited by Eriksen and Lamela from the signings. Players like Chadli and chiriches are also good squad players.
On the subject of Lamela, he is a quality player. Unfortunately he has suffered from injuries this year. I watch a bit of Italian football (Only the big games as it is like watching paint dry) with a mate whose dad is Italian, basically an excuse for a few beers. Well Lamela is one young player last season who really impressed us, along with El Shaarawy, Pogba, De sciglio, Jovetic(in patches), Ljajic, Marquinhos, Icardi... Anyway I was (and still am) over the moon we have a young player with such quality and potential. Of course he needs to adjust to England but we NEED to keep a player of such quality.
Relevantly to Levy, perhaps on the contrary to my admiration of Lamela's skills, the signing was a disaster. Paying £30 million for any player is a risk but for someone who was 21 (and not Messi or Ronaldo), it is stupid. Especially for owners and a chairman who seemingly are so business minded when it comes to transfers. The asset (i.e lamela) will not attain the market value needed to recoup the bought price for a few years. Having said that PSG will probably pay £40 million for him this summer, just to disprove my point. Also I would not be surprised if Baldini profited somehow off the signing. Ultimately however, Baldini probably recommended Lamela at all costs because he recognizes his talent.
 
See this is the problem, "since Levy took charge its been terrible on the pitch" I suppose the Champions League campaign and the likes of Bale, Modric, VDV just passed you buy did they? Or were you happy with Chris Armstrong, Dean Austin and Paolo Tramezzani?
Another fan just looking at the negatives and looking for someone to blame, someone to moan at.
Thats the whole point. With Redknapp we made europe, we had a foot in the door, we had one or two heros for sure. But Levy decided he wanted a change, he could hardly blame league position could he, or the way we were playing for the most part. AvB had one of the best players in the world in his team, and went from average to terrible with performances, so again Levy blinked.
Of course I can roll out the names of poor players, but fans on here are still hoping the 100M players from last summer come good as did we with Armstrong etc.
Thats Levy, always promissing gold at the end of the rainbow.
 
Out of interest (as I struggle to think of one), who would you say is a good/better owner and why?

Sometimes it's hard to read the tone/context when you can't hear the inflection in a question, but I mean this as a curiosity rather than rhetorical.
Well I would bet we are getting no Arab backers seeing as we are a "jewish" club. Ihave no idea to be honest, I dont know all the billionares in the world or consortiums.
All I am convinced of is that Levy will never make us a great club again. His transfer policy and choice of managers is dire. His inability to raise capital for the new ground could be added to the list.
We are in a perfect storm, no CL football means the best players wont come, and we cant afford to bribe them to come. Any players we bring through or turn out decent are sold for profit.
Very sad.
 
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