What if he didn’t? Shall we just all make up random rumours?
FWIW I wanted Grealish. Just don’t believe that the manager/coach makes those decisions outright. It’s all done with recruitment teams etc
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FWIW I wanted Grealish. Just don’t believe that the manager/coach makes those decisions outright. It’s all done with recruitment teams etc
it defo felt like it, the way it dragged on, was like grealish was hoping we would take him, hes never choosing everton over spurs is he.
i quite like frank and want him to be a success, but cant help think this was a huge fuckup. football has become so robotic now with all these systems and shit. for me the biggest part of being a good manager will always be how well they judge players. good footballers win games, systems are all just about finding the best balance for what you got, no system will override shit footballers.
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4 games. 4 wins. 12 for. 0 against.
Throw in the 4-0 win Vs Copenhagen and there's 5 comfortable wins, to nil there.
Yes, Bournemouth, Chelsea and Arse were shite. Absolutely shite. Wolves barely better at all.
That doesn't take away from other results/performances.
We actually played well 2nd half vs United and for the last half hour, were the better team.
After going 2 down to Bodo we turned it around and would have won with a few more minutes added on.
We drew to Brighton from 2 down and were the better team throughout. 2 fluke goals put us behind.
Let's not go crazy and pile on the team. After the number of surrender monkey games we lost last season with no fight, nothing, there's bound to be some downs this season too. You don't just suddenly remove that level of loser mentality in a few months.
What dragged on? Media stories? We might have never been in that conversation. Maybe the board wouldn’t sanction his wages. None of us actually know. Frank is getting a few things wrong but he probably had zero say in this
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Sarr has started 6 in 11 of our 12 PL games. He took a bit of a knock in the international break.
Bergvall has started 5 out of 9 PL games and is out with concussion
Obviously I can't remember all the data going back five years but I do remember what I was thinking at the time because I was doing a fair bit of betting back then, and followed a few analysts. Their xGA against under Arteta was really good early on. They were in the process of becoming "defensive monsters" as one analyst put it.
They were restricting opponents really well in terms of chances against them, and as we now see, all these years later, it's something they are renowned for, in fact it's one of their best attributes. This didn't happen by chance, Arteta started coaching this into the side early on, and despite player personnel changes since then, it's continued.
Look here
https://fbref.com/en/squads/18bb7c1...e/Woolwich-Scores-and-Fixtures-Premier-League
Arteta's first full season. They were terrible up until Christmas. And then from then on they lost just 5 league games the rest of the season. Lot's of clean sheets too. This idea they were terrible for the first 2 season is just not true. It's there in black and white.
Look at his second full season. Look at all the green. Check the number of clean sheets. Look at the number of winning spells. Yes it was inconsistent a bit, but there are a lot of wins there. 22 in fact.
https://fbref.com/en/squads/18bb7c1...e/Woolwich-Scores-and-Fixtures-Premier-League
and from his third season. Now if you are telling me this isn't continued improvement, which started by Christmas Day in his first full season I don't know what to tell you.
https://fbref.com/en/squads/18bb7c1...e/Woolwich-Scores-and-Fixtures-Premier-League
Anyway enough of the gooner glazing, hate the cunts.
But all I'm saying is Frank needs to be showing that the underlying data, whether offensive or defensive, there needs to be some evidence of improvement away from the results. But if the underlying data is shit, performances are shit and results aren't good, then well, he won't be here long and rightly so.
read between the lines, anyone with half a brain cell knew we needed a LW upgrade as we have a pile of shit there, grealish was available, his transfer dragged on far longer than it should have, he was clearly hoping someone more appealing than everton were serious, weve turned him down.
you tie that in with franks 'no dickhead rule'...hes hardly going to bring in someone who has a rep of being a party boy, instead we sign off on shit like tel. grealish would have been the best player at our club, no matter how clean a life the likes of tel, richy, johnson live, they aint going to produce the same quality in a football match.
So 12 games in a new club has made you massively change your mind vs 4 seasons of outperforming expectations?
Look I’m not sure he is the answer. But what we are seeing is classic new manager in a big (but not enormous) club. I’m sure he wants to attack more but what the fuck can he do with a squad that has Richi as first choice CF, a heralded new signing who falls over if you breathe on him and injuries to our most creative 2 players?
He needs to find a way to get back to winning for sure. But I think the nice looking footy will have to wait until we have the players that can do that
19. We’ve played 19 games all competitions.
A third of the expected/potential season already.
I don't think Bergvall has been frozen out. He started against Chelsea but only lasted 5 minutes before he got concussed.
Good chance he starts tonight.
What we need to see is intensity. We had the same limitations in personnel in the early games this season but we still played with aggression. If we'd lost to Woolwich but shown the same tenacity that we did away at City or in the Super Cup earlier this season, I think we would all accept it. It was the pathetic nature of the performance that rightly worries people. If the players aren't even making tackles then something is really wrong and Frank has to correct it or he will be gone quickly.
Yeah, happy to get a point from those three games (should have had 3 though).
Because it's an insanely tough run of games, for us, and the state our squad is in.
I didn't say I was happy with the performances.
You need to stop making stuff up in your head, and arguing points that were never made.
Their xga was 13th in his first full season:
But to be fair to you it shot all the way up to 5th in his 2nd so I'll give you that.
But isn't this the point though, you're using Arteta as the example to Frank, if you're comparing what he did after Xmas than I don't understand the comparison to Frank now as we're still in November?
You've given me data from his 3rd and 4th season when I've already pointed out his first 2 season where he finished 8th he struggled?
Your original point was Arteta winning the FA cup allowed him patience which is patently not true, their fans weren't having him for 2/3 years - If Frank managed to beat PSG on pens and was still churning up this garbage you and this fanbase still wouldn't be convinced so the FA Cup win is irrelevant.
I agree with a lot of what you say about Frank but this isn't about him, ultimately my point is that using Arteta as the example is pointless because the fact was that he had the pandemic and no crowds which allowed him to make his mistakes and settle in the job.
Bergvall, I agree.
Sarr, the game passes him by to often and puts a lot of energy into chasing shadows.
Frank, would be a little better off if he added a tad more positivity into the side...
But that is hard to do, when you got a bunch of donkeys up front, who regularly let themselves down.
True.
The only genuine top 8 players in our MF and forward line are Kudus and Palhinha. Probably also Madders and Kulu, but we haven't seen them lately. I'm not saying they are top 3 before someone jumps in, but I think they match up at the level below that.
Ah okay so you are saying that you categorically know that having signed Tel for £40m that the board and the recruitment team also signed off on Grealish and his high wages but Frank said no?
May have happened. May not. Purely conjecture. Although I would be surprised at our board agreeing to that seeing as they hardly have a history of paying proper wages for anyone
Is it 19 already? Fuck me
Still. A third of the season. It’s not enough (in my view) to make any tough calls given what he has to work with.
I’m more fucked off with our board for putting us in a place where we go from the likes of Bale, Kane and Sonny in our first 11 to Richi and Odobert
Oh, it's another Muppet, expecting us to beat Woolwich, Chelsea, and ManU was going to be a tough game too, given the circumstances of the squad and injuries, who are leagues in front of us...
Total fecking deluded fan base, and probably cried like a pathetic little baby on Sunday.
Here, let me laugh at you
no, im not saying that the board wanted grealish and frank said no, im saying frank should have made sure the club got him! he should have seen enough from the shit we have, to see that we was going to be absolute dog shit in the final third! we all knew this was going to be the case with the shit we have, its not a surprise!
I actually thought we'd get something at home to chelsea. They'd worse injuries than us that day. United can't even beat 10 men everton at home so was disappointed to not beat them. Woolwich i expected nothing but losing 4-1 hurt like fuck!Oh, it's another Muppet, expecting us to beat Woolwich, Chelsea, and ManU was going to be a tough game too, given the circumstances of the squad and injuries, who are leagues in front of us...
Total fecking deluded fan base, and probably cried like a pathetic little baby on Sunday.
Here, let me laugh at you