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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Not sure if its purely coincidence Glasner slaming club over transfer activity. He wants out imo and used palace as a stepping stone. If Frank cant address the slide next couple of games then we should go for Glasner. Me personally I want poch back.
 
Deuterz said:
No it doesn’t.

- Ange had a still firing Son and one match a week when we finished 5th. Also a fit and firing Maddison. Those two dragged us there.
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He had an aging Son and he had lost the single most important player this club had had this generation on the eve of the season.

Deuterz said:
- We won’t win a trophy because we’re not in the EL this season and the other trophies available to us are harder to win. Ange didn’t win any of these trophies so it isn’t a fair comparison.
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We couldn't even win the Conference league under Frank let alone the Europa.

Two weeks ago he was lamenting we didn't win enough of the long ball second second balls What is this,1970's?

Laptops, real time data analysis, multiple hand picked coaches and it amounts to boot it long and in the mixer and hope to score off a set piece.
 
Deuterz said:
Because a group/league stage game is an entirely different prospect to that level of footballer than a semi final. Different time of the season/weather too - the only “intimidating” thing about Bodo is the freezing pitch which we didn’t actually face in the semi final, we also got the home leg in first so took a nice lead to Bodo. Made life easier.

Yes. 17th. 38 points. There’s no data whatsoever that says anything other than this was the worst Spurs league season in modern premier league history. Frank also struggling doesn’t mean Ange was overachieving.

17th is data. The worst non-relegated team.

We are higher in the league than we ended up under Ange - and regardless it’s pretty clear Frank isn’t doing very well. It’s entirely possible someone else would do better.

Talking “fan expectation” and “patience” in the context of being the worst non-relegated team in the premier league is silly. We lost twenty odd games. Ange got sacked because for over a year the club had been in a doom spiral, starting at the end of his first season & then leading in to an entire season of garbage. There was no progress. *

Another manager is getting criticised for getting really bad results? This isn’t derangement, it’s just a modern premier league football club. That’s how it works.

Me being able, as an adult, to objectively look at that Europa league win and who we beat and view the achievement in that context does not mean it wasn’t enjoyable to win. I don’t feel the need to big up Ange’s accomplishment to have enjoyed the experience. It was great fun, it was also very low quality.

*He then carried on being a total loser for Forest. The only time he overachieved was in his first season, and even then with a heavy dose of context and the more time he got with the team the worst results became. The guy was rubbish. Frank doing rubbish doesn’t equate to him being good.
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OMG - you're doing it again. I specifically said my post wasn't pro-Ange and yet all you can do is to talk about him. That's why I call you Derangers - because you're so obsessed by the fights of the past that you can't address the realities of the present and dangers of the future.

This is the question I need you - or anyone - to answer:

Phomesy said:
And please don't deflect by pretending I'm making a "pro Postecoglou" argument. I'm making a purely data empirical argument. We now have 13 games of data having replaced Postecoglou with a very decent contemporary in Thomas Frank

Where is the improvement? Is there ANYTHING you can point too?

Or was I right all along and the real problem is the squad? That ANY manager is doomed to failure by the entire process - including fan expectation and patience.
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You promised that there was an easy fix. That any half decent manager would improve things. They haven't - at least as far as I can see. So... where on earth do we go from here? Is it as simple as churning through managers until someone stabilises us. And what does "stabilised" look like for Tottenham right now?
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
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Its actually an interesting discussion in the context of recent comments from the manager and players: does it actually help when fans criticize their manager and players?
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I think it depends on quite a few things, context is always king.

I think it never really helps at all and in isolation it shows a lack of patience with some fans.

However, with our current situation at home Ib can understand even though I wouldn't boo myself.

Our home fans are paying a lot for tickets what we've been witnessing for about year now is absolutely woeful

Vicario also does some really fucking dumb things, but I think it's a culmination of frustration that saw the boos come out...the straw that broke the camels back as they say.

In isolation Frank is completely right but he should be factoring in the wider context

I mean they're not giving anything to the fans to really get behind.

Frank and the players need to take responsibility for creating a positive environment with how they play on the pitch.

They're failing miserably before the boos really got going.

All I see is a manager and players who are now blaming the fans for their own shortcomings.

It's cowardly imo
 
Timberwolf said:
You keep sanctimoniously bringing this up as if we didn't all have the best fucking night and loved every minute. I don't give a fuck who we beat - we won a fucking trophy and it's one of the best moments of my Spurs-supporting life.

But equally, in the cold light of morning as adults some of us are capable of taking a step back and looking objectively at the quality of the opposition and what winning that trophy meant as a measure of where we are as a club. By talking about the teams we beat we're not taking away from the joy and glory of the win - we're just stating facts.
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Don't believe I was responding to you mate. Unless you're Deuterz in disguise?
 
Kiro Kompiro said:
He had an aging Son and he had lost the single most important player this club had had this generation on the eve of the season.



We couldn't even win the Conference league under Frank let alone the Europa.

Two weeks ago he was lamenting we didn't win enough of the long ball second second balls What is this,1970's?

Laptops, real time data analysis, multiple hand picked coaches and it amounts to boot it long and in the mixer and hope to score off a set piece.
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Ageing Son scored or assisted 27. That was his last season before full decline - ala Salah last season. We lost Kane but replaced him quite well with an actually decent transfer window - Maddison especially for the first 10 games was brilliant.

Yeah we could. We’re mid table in the CL. We’ve beaten teams in the CL who would be the best side in the conference.

I’m really disappointed with a lot of what is happening with Frank but your comparison of ‘5th or trophy’ is just very off. We are in a very different place.
 
I think glasner used Palace to get on ladder in Premier league. He would easily leave Palace for us. Think parish would make it very difficult for him to leave. Certainly would have glasner on my target list including poch, de zerbi and iraola.
 
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