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Manager Thomas Frank

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He’s gotta go.

He was hired to be fired.

Nuno was sacked sooner (after having won PL manager of the month in his first month) when we were sitting in 9th place.

I always thought that Brentford’s success was down to their owner (Matthew Benham’s) data-analytics, and that Thomas Frank was a fairly inexperienced, but pragmatic manager for the players at-hand.
 
enfield1985 said:
" Away to Paris, that was a good performance. We lost both. We played Fulham where we were down 2-0 after six minutes. Especially in PSG and Fulham those were good performances."

How the fuck can any manager say the Fulham games was a good performance we had two shots on target, nothing showed we were giving it a go. We may have racked up the possession but that is because we gave Fulham two goals. Even the PSG performance was far from good it was an improvement.
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He deserves to be fired right after the presser.
 
walter said:
There's the small matter of whether Xavi would even want to come to Spurs and I can't see why he would to be honest.

We sacked our last manager after he won us a major trophy and had us qualify for European competition in successive seasons.

We sacked our previous manager after he finished top 4 in his first season, and was looking on course to finish at least top 6 in his second.

The manager before that was sacked after just 10 league games despite still being in the top half of the table, and the manager before him was sacked just before a cup final.

Before that we sacked probably our best manager for 30 years just 12 games into the season, despite him getting us to our first ever Champions League final, a League cup semi final, and also finishing top 4 in the previous one.

Presumably we'll only be approaching Xavi after sacking Thomas Frank, despite him only being here for barely a third of a season, himself.

Why on earth would Xavi (or any other top manager) want to come to Tottenham, given our hiring and firing record over the last 10 years?

Another manager akin to Frank is probably the best we can expect. It's probably why he was hired in the first place. Despite all the bollocks about him being the best fit according to the data, the real reason is more than likely that nobody else half-decent even wanted the job.
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On the whole I agree with most of this, but I will say this as an alternative view.

Yes, Poch managed us to a champions league final, but it was very fortunate and looking at his league record from January/February of that year, our form was dire. I agreed with his removal at the time, but to appoint a washed up Jose was completely wrong for the long term.

Nuno was indeed treated badly, but in all honesty he was just a place holder until Conte sorted his head out and agreed to join Spurs. Once Antonio became available Nuno was always getting the sack.

Conte got himself sacked. He had so much personal stuff going on that he just didn't want to be here. The club did not want him to leave even after his meltdown in front of the cameras at St Mary's but he buggered off back to Italy that night, never to return. I was at that game and the way we fell apart was embarrassing and the fans were massively disgruntled. It was sign of things to come.

Ange. Well it's well known my view on him. I really don't like the guy one bit, but you have to acknowledge his part in achievement of the Europa, but again he had to go based on the fact that our league form was terrible and if it wasn't for 3 other shit teams , there was a real possibility of relegation last season, and an even bigger chance this.

God knows what the answer is going forward, but in my view Thomas Frank is not it.
 
Did he really say the Fulham game was a good performance?

What worries me is how he keeps trying to lower fans expectations and standards.

He needs to careful how he's taking now, its bordering on gaslighting.
 
Spudulike said:
Eventually yes. I think Fabio Paratici wanted a fellow Italian in place as soon as possible. Especially with the aura around Conte at the time.
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Why employ Nuno then? We could have given the first 10 matches to Mason. I think Conte most likely got the call after the Woolwich match where they walked through our midfield as if it wasn't there, and it took a couple of weeks to get him ready. If Nuno would have won more matches especially the Woolwich match, Conte could have easily joined another club.
 
I don't think Frank is the right manager, but why would you sack him now? Just to appoint another manager sacked a few months later? I say give him a chance until some of the injured players have returned. See if he can get something out of the team. Then there's still plenty of time to sack him next year / end of season.
 
McCOYS said:
Why employ Nuno then? We could have given the first 10 matches to Mason. I think Conte most likely got the call after the Woolwich match where they walked through our midfield as if it wasn't there, and it took a couple of weeks to get him ready. If Nu Nuno would have won more matches especially the Woolwich match, Conte could have easily joined another club.
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If I remember correctly, they really tried to get Conte all summer but couldn't talk him into it, so as an alternative they went for someone who was available, i.e Nuno fairly late on.

I am maybe remembering completely wrong, so don't hold me to it 🤣.
 
McCOYS said:
Why employ Nuno then? We could have given the first 10 matches to Mason. I think Conte most likely got the call after the Woolwich match where they walked through our midfield as if it wasn't there, and it took a couple of weeks to get him ready. If Nuno would have won more matches especially the Woolwich match, Conte could have easily joined another club.
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He couldn’t get Conte in the summer and Mason as a caretaker starting the season would have been an embarassing failure. So a proven PL manager in Nuno was a pragmatic choice.
 
latman said:
Did he really say the Fulham game was a good performance?

What worries me is how he keeps trying to lower fans expectations and standards.

He needs to careful how he's taking now, its bordering on gaslighting.
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I get he’s trying to stay positive, present an optimistic picture. But you need to call it like it is at times or you just sound silly.

He needs to be a bit tougher with the language. It’s ok to say we’re bad but fans then want to know how we’re going to fix it. I’m not sure he has the answer to that.
 
Spudulike said:
If I remember correctly, they really tried to get Conte all summer but couldn't talk him into it, so as an alternative they went for someone who was available, i.e Nuno fairly late on.

I am maybe remembering completely wrong, so don't hold me to it 🤣.
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I think you're correct, but I also think that if Nuno had been considerably better and held onto the team's form from the first month when he was manager of the month, he wouldn't have been sacked, and during that time Conte could have taken a different job. I don't think Conte was joining when he did if we were in the top four. And he's not going to be turning other jobs down because Nuno could have been doing better.
 
spursfan76 said:
I don't think Frank is the right manager, but why would you sack him now? Just to appoint another manager sacked a few months later? I say give him a chance until some of the injured players have returned. See if he can get something out of the team. Then there's still plenty of time to sack him next year / end of season.
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Know what you mean but if he's not right for us why bother wasting even more time.

I get there's a lack of options but next manager has to be more proven and hungry to do well. Give them the time.
 
spursfan76 said:
I don't think Frank is the right manager, but why would you sack him now? Just to appoint another manager sacked a few months later? I say give him a chance until some of the injured players have returned. See if he can get something out of the team. Then there's still plenty of time to sack him next year / end of season.
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For me it’s that if we sack him now it shows that the board have some kind of expectations of us being seen as a top 6 club as a bare minimum and Frank hasn’t shown anything to suggest he is the kind of manager who can get that with us , I also see the side of the argument that says you need to give a manager time however if they are showing nothing what do you do?
 
If it was my choice I’d get shot of him after tomorrow. Might as well let him do tomorrow but whatever the score get rid. He’s never going to work here, the fans are not going to really take to him now imo, the footballs absolutely awful. Some of if not the worst I’ve ever seen at spurs in relation to the ability of the players. He’s got no charisma or fear factor to galvanise the players , some of the team selections and subs are strange. There’s nothing to cling onto.

Normally one to want to give managers more time, but not this one. I’d even take Brendan Rodgers the rest of the season. He would actually do a decent job for a short period.
 
TonySoprano said:
He couldn’t get Conte in the summer and Mason as a caretaker starting the season would have been an embarassing failure. So a proven PL manager in Nuno was a pragmatic choice.
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If Nuno was just a 10 league game placeholder until Conte was ready, we could have announced Conte with a delayed start, and people would have accepted Mason as an intern if they knew Conte was joining imminently.

I just don't believe that Nuno was going to be sacked no matter how well he was doing, and because Conte wasn't ready yet we had to wait a couple of months to fire Nuno.

It makes no sense, but then again it is ENIC we're discussing here, so I suppose anything is quite possible.
 
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