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Ex-Spurs Player Brennan Johnson

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Did you forget what you were arguing about?



You've made your own argument here:
  • Brennan does score goals, and more than RKM and Xavi who are in the team ahead of him
  • But it's okay that they don't score, because there's more to football than that
  • Meanwhile, we're losing games without Johnson and not scoring goals
You've not been able to connect the dots here have you?

Weird how we won a Europa final with the thing that Brennan does, rather than whatever the fuck everyone else was doing
Put the weirdo on ignore.
 
People say Frank wanted Johnson when he was at Brentford but, to your point, there's been not much sign of that at Spurs.
I said that too. But the more we fall into the abyss and the more Brentford don’t miss a fucking beat, after selling their best players and losing their manager, it’s looking more and more like Frank wasn’t the power there.

Think it’s fairer to say that Brentford wanted Johnson, rather than Frank wanted him.
 
Not the answer nor the problem.

Unless he can be given the role of tap in artist, he’ll be effective but he can’t provide any other roles.

We know what we have in him and it’s mediocrity.
 
Johnson will be at the club longer than Frank.

I am not even going to add unless Frank turns things round.

Yesterday's whatever you want to call it is enough to keep me awake until tomorrow.

There is not a single excuse for the manager or the players, but the buck stops with Frank.
 
It makes sense why Brentford would've wanted Johnson 3 years ago. On paper he's a similar profile to Schade who they signed that same summer. A tall, young pace merchant with an eye for goal capable of playing out wide or in a front 2. Plus he's homegrown. They would've no doubt hoped (like we did) that he'd improve, iron out the weaker areas of his game, etc. And I'd say the only areas Brennan's improved are his finishing and his cut-backs. Outside of the final action he's not improved at all. Knowing what we do I highly doubt Brentford would sign him, certainly for nothing close to what we paid.

That said, his style is fundamentally waaaay more suited to a bottom half team that has less of the ball. He's a useful option for a team that can build around his strengths and not rely on him in possession at all. That's why he did well at Forest and why Palace, another quite direct low possession team, fancy him.

Just cos a manager wants a player at one club it doesn't mean they would necessarily want them at another.
 
Main problem with Brennan is that he is not a winger. Does not have a trick to beat a defender. His strength is finishing but under the current system he never gets into the middle so he can finish. Would do ok with Palace because he would be in Sarr position as one of 2 number 10s behind Mateta. Anywhere around 35-40m I would sell him. Might be a bad move for him if he did go because their manager almost certainly leaving in the summer, contract up and not signing another at the moment . System would likely change if he left.

Agreed.

I dont really understand the hate toward him.

He's a good player, he just isnt the player people want him to be
 
He's not a good player.

That's why he played in a team that finished 17th last season and he cant get into a team currently creating 0 xg. He was a relegation scrapper before that.

Most Spurs fans just have higher ambitions for the team than that.

He is a good player. You cant be a goalscorer like that and not be.

However, as I said, he isnt the player people want him to be.

He's not a dribbler, he's not a creative passer - he's not suited to a classic spurs side. So the fans just go against him.

If Palace took him, as per that link, he'll immediately look twice the player - because he'll be playing in a way that suits him and that team
 
He is a good player. You cant be a goalscorer like that and not be.

However, as I said, he isnt the player people want him to be.

He's not a dribbler, he's not a creative passer - he's not suited to a classic spurs side. So the fans just go against him.

If Palace took him, as per that link, he'll immediately look twice the player - because he'll be playing in a way that suits him and that team

100%.

I think the only thing that is a touch surprising is Bellamy's take on Johnson, which might suggest that he believes he should be adding to his game.

Agree entirely with what you say, but that should not prevent improvement.

But for me Frank obviously doesn't rate Johnson, and as a result Johnson won't feel wanted, and I think he needs that.

I do however believe Johnson will be here longer than Frank.
 
He is a good player. You cant be a goalscorer like that and not be.

However, as I said, he isnt the player people want him to be.

He's not a dribbler, he's not a creative passer - he's not suited to a classic spurs side. So the fans just go against him.

If Palace took him, as per that link, he'll immediately look twice the player - because he'll be playing in a way that suits him and that team

Yes you can. I could reel off an incredibly shit list of players who have had a fantastic goalscoring season. It would make your eyes water.

He’s a very basic, mediocre player. There’s a reason the only club interested are Palace at a snip price. You pay 40m for average these days and he’s not going for near that.

Chris Wood just had an amazing goalscoring season. He’s really not good. He had a few. He’s very basic too. His level is/was where he played - mid to lower table. Johnson is not a better player than Wood.

He isn’t terrible but he’s going to end up at a Palace or a Forest or a Fulham. That’s what he is. Will get a decent amount of Wales caps but never be a figurehead. Just not good enough.
 
He's not a good player.

That's why he played in a team that finished 17th last season and he cant get into a team currently creating 0 xg. He was a relegation scrapper before that.

Most Spurs fans just have higher ambitions for the team than that.

Literally lmao.

He’s a player in and out of the Wales team who is wanted by Palace so they can rotate him with Sarr.

He’s not good. The likes of him and Richarlison are a hard cap to our ability to play consistently good football.

People throwing eyes at him due to our current run are ridiculous. He comes on and does nothing. He’s had recent starts .. and did nothing.
 
He is a good player. You cant be a goalscorer like that and not be.

However, as I said, he isnt the player people want him to be.

He's not a dribbler, he's not a creative passer - he's not suited to a classic spurs side. So the fans just go against him.

If Palace took him, as per that link, he'll immediately look twice the player - because he'll be playing in a way that suits him and that team
This is not a Spurs thing. He is not suited to any top team or any team with ambitions to get there.

The reason being that he is not a well-rounded enough footballer. Hence not "good" enough for the top end of the table.

The issue here is your definition of good. Obviously anyone playing at PL level is a good footballer. But plenty have played at that level - and scored goals - yet never got above a mid-table standard.

So yes, maybe a good player for Fulham, Palace or Brentford but 100% not a "good" player for Spurs, Woolwich, Chelsea etc.
 
Literally lmao.

He’s a player in and out of the Wales team who is wanted by Palace so they can rotate him with Sarr.

He’s not good. The likes of him and Richarlison are a hard cap to our ability to play consistently good football.

People throwing eyes at him due to our current run are ridiculous. He comes on and does nothing. He’s had recent starts .. and did nothing.
The ones who rate Johnson and Richarlison are the same people who moan that we are shit and wonder why. For me at this moment Richarlison starting for us is one of the biggest issues we have. We can’t get up the pitch and stay up the pitch because he’s so fucking shit. Yes there are others that are shit but he’s easily the worst but only because Johnson has ant playing.
 
Not the answer nor the problem.

Unless he can be given the role of tap in artist, he’ll be effective but he can’t provide any other roles.

We know what we have in him and it’s mediocrity.

Mediocre goalscorer he isn't.

If the players in the squad, now being consistently chosen ahead of him were playing to their optimum, I think it's all fine.

When you have a situation like yesterday, when it was plain to see that Muani and Richarlison could have played until midnight without finding the net, I think it shows Frank up in a big way.

You have Kudus who just does not know when to release a ball and others who were equally lanentable, and you bring on a defender and a defensive midfielder.

Strike a fcuking light.
 
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I said that too. But the more we fall into the abyss and the more Brentford don’t miss a fucking beat, after selling their best players and losing their manager, it’s looking more and more like Frank wasn’t the power there.

Think it’s fairer to say that Brentford wanted Johnson, rather than Frank wanted him.
Yep.. they' seem a really well organised club...for eg when they signed Ollie Watkins from Exeter, they did an impressive amount of background checking.. definitely got the feel it wasn't a one off ...
 
This is not a Spurs thing. He is not suited to any top team or any team with ambitions to get there.

The reason being that he is not a well-rounded enough footballer. Hence not "good" enough for the top end of the table.

The issue here is your definition of good. Obviously anyone playing at PL level is a good footballer. But plenty have played at that level - and scored goals - yet never got above a mid-table standard.

So yes, maybe a good player for Fulham, Palace or Brentford but 100% not a "good" player for Spurs, Woolwich, Chelsea etc.

I do not rate Brennan Johnson as an attacker ... nor footballer.

But at the same time I would argue that he would be "good enough" for ManCity. Meaning - he could be useful for a top side that has everything in place. Strong midfield. Very technical players. Lot of threat all around him. They could afford to have a player in some certain situations (clearly not 90 minutes every game, more like mostly a substitute to bring on in some situations and even potentially start on some others) that is there to finish off the chances. We cannot afford it cause we don't have the foundations in place for it. But weirdly enough, they could.

I am not comparing him in any real sense to Haaland, cause there is just no comparison. But just as principle - Haaland is there in their side as someone to have very limited involvement outside of goals. Waiting for his moment to finish the chance. Clearly he is way more physical, faster, with even better finishing and all. But principle is the same - others do the tempo-controlling and then there is a lad who has one single task - put the ball to the net.
 
I don't think it's wise to sell Johnson when we need players in other positions. We don't want to remove a player in a position where we have two, Kudus and Johnson, because it means we're going to have to look for another player as well as the gaps that already need to be filled. Unless Kulusevski is near to recovery,

I do get the point he needs to be upgraded with a better player who has more attributes and a stronger presence.
Don't ask me mate.

I think it's a big risk letting Johnson go, but ain't my decision, and if truth be told,he does need to be doing a bit more when he is presented with game-time.

Well I mean I get what both of you mean. But I have to say, I do not agree.

Yes, we do need players in other positions. Which is exactly why we should cash in on him if there is any real interest at all. Let's not beat around the bush here. Players who are ahead of him in pecking order into forward positions are - Kudus, Richie, Kolo Muani, Xavi, Odobert and Tel. That is SIX players. Before we factor in potential returnees in Solanke and Kulusevski (!). And also SIX players into either 3 positions or if we'd actually play with 2 up front then 5 for 2 positions (virtually moving Xavi from attacking department to midfield).

That is plenty. That means we just don't really find use for him. It is just as plain as that.
If alternatives are to keep him as player who we hardly use as it stands - from last 10 EPL games he has played 300 minutes out of 900, so 33% all while contributing 0 goals and 0 assists during that - or to use potential proceeds of 25-30 mil from his sale, it becomes quite clear we would be better off cashing in and reinvesting. Assuming someone is willing to pay that kind of money for him. If we talk about like 10-15 mil, then the answer will be different.
 
I do not rate Brennan Johnson as an attacker ... nor footballer.

But at the same time I would argue that he would be "good enough" for ManCity. Meaning - he could be useful for a top side that has everything in place. Strong midfield. Very technical players. Lot of threat all around him. They could afford to have a player in some certain situations (clearly not 90 minutes every game, more like mostly a substitute to bring on in some situations and even potentially start on some others) that is there to finish off the chances. We cannot afford it cause we don't have the foundations in place for it. But weirdly enough, they could.

I am not comparing him in any real sense to Haaland, cause there is just no comparison. But just as principle - Haaland is there in their side as someone to have very limited involvement outside of goals. Waiting for his moment to finish the chance. Clearly he is way more physical, faster, with even better finishing and all. But principle is the same - others do the tempo-controlling and then there is a lad who has one single task - put the ball to the net.

Correct.

Just fcuking use Johnson where he is able to utilise his ability. ...to score goals

Frank is fcukimg clueless.

Nobody tell me it made sense not to either start him yesterday or bring him on much earlier

Bias is a bad bad thing.
 
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