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Player Guglielmo Vicario

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Harry Vaginola said:
if you can't see this is a much easier scenario i've got nothing else to say. is this your new hill to die on? feeling that fire from the ange end days again?
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Its an example of the keeper playing the ball on the weaker foot, notice how Palhinha alters his steps when the ball comes to him and angles the pass, this is how Grey should have dealt with the pass. very basic.

Also what hill am I dying on and what does this have to do with Ange, bizarre...
 
Harry Vaginola said:
the press is tighter across the back when he touches the ball. and that's the larger point here. this was not the moment to play out of the back like we did. they had us covered across the back unlike all the clips you posted and it's vic's responsibility to see that and decide what to do.
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"The press is tighter across the back"

The amount of waffle is hilarious, sorry 🤣

We play this ball all the time mate, look at this pass from Vic to Bergvall against Newcastle:

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You come across as you know what you're talking about but you're waffling.
 
Shadydan said:
Its an example of the keeper playing the ball on the weaker foot, notice how Palhinha alters his steps when the ball comes to him and angles the pass, this is how Grey should have dealt with the pass. very basic.

Also what hill am I dying on and what does this have to do with Ange, bizarre...
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pal is not being pressed. vic is not being pressed. the fullbacks have a lot more space. the angle of the pass is much easier. your bergval example is a straight ball backwards that actually ends with us giving the ball away in our own box! what this has to do with ange is you again ignoring all evidence being presented to you.

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this isn't the same as what you're giving as examples. everyone is being pressed. the ball vic wants gray to play is across an open goal almost directly sideways on his weak foot. should gray have hit it first time with his right foot to romero? sure. was it an easy pass? no. was it a bad decision by vic? absolutely. just look at the defender by bentancur closing down romero and looking to intercept this chip from gray. if the pass is off at all he's all over it and through on goal. it's ludicrous to suggest this is just an ordinary pass out from the back. gray is running back to show for vic because their press is all over us here. kick it long
 
3 x 3 divided by pie squared multiplied by pytheagorean theoraem add 2 Brazilian butt lifts.

The amount of mental gymnastics and picture frame evaluation done to divert blame from Gray and pin it on another of the boards least fashionable target practice players is so desperate it's funny.

The manager blames Gray, our own player blames Gray, hell even Gray blames Gray but nah the fighting cock will not have it.
 
Harry Vaginola said:
pal is not being pressed. vic is not being pressed. the fullbacks have a lot more space. the angle of the pass is much easier. your bergval example is a straight ball backwards that actually ends with us giving the ball away in our own box! what this has to do with ange is you again ignoring all evidence being presented to you.
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Bergvall passing the ball to Romero was the right thing to do, Romero decided to try and take a player on instead of passing it to Porro, that doesn't mean the ball was a bad one, that's literally the point of playing that pass as you're trying to bait the press which opens up space in the middle of the pitch.

I actually find it incredible the amount of people who claim to watch football yet don't know that the vast majority of teams build up the same way in this position, it's called a bounce pass for a reason and yes what would normally happen is that the keeper or CB would play it into a DM even when they've got players running onto them because they'd get the ball back and thus you've taken a player out of position which allows you to advance up the pitch.

Harry Vaginola said:
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this isn't the same as what you're giving as examples. everyone is being pressed. the ball vic wants gray to play is across an open goal almost directly sideways on his weak foot. should gray have hit it first time with his right foot to romero? sure. was it an easy pass? no. was it a bad decision by vic? absolutely. just look at the defender by bentancur closing down romero and looking to intercept this chip from gray. if the pass is off at all he's all over it and through on goal. it's ludicrous to suggest this is just an ordinary pass out from the back. gray is running back to show for vic because their press is all over us here. kick it long
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And onto this point, you're right the ball from Vic isn't the best but I'd expect any competent footballer to deal with it whether it was on his weaker foot or not. I'll make this point again because you clearly ignored it (the irony) is that Palhinha altered his run up and changed his body shape to play a first time pass out to VDV (look how he swings his leg before he receives the ball), whilst Archie Gray didn't do that hence the example.

That ball isn't a bad decision because that is how the manager wants us to play, that his how most managers want their teams to play Pep, Arteta, Slot etc...that's called high risk high reward football, saying kick it long wilfully and hilariously misses the point of keeping possession to draw the press out.
 
Kosher Kid said:
If we repaced Vicario with a fucking mannequin it would cost us less goals.
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There's one thing being incompetent, and making mistakes. He's not good enough end of. But for me it's the way he continually berates younger players in our team when HE fucks up. Instead of holding his hands up, he blames others.

He's spineless and thinks he is far better than he is.

Let's be honest, he's been a clown since he arrived. First season he was all over the place on crosses, way too erratic, he instilled panic in the defence.

I have no idea who scouted him, awful.
 
kingdawson said:
3 x 3 divided by pie squared multiplied by pytheagorean theoraem add 2 Brazilian butt lifts.

The amount of mental gymnastics and picture frame evaluation done to divert blame from Gray and pin it on another of the boards least fashionable target practice players is so desperate it's funny.

The manager blames Gray, our own player blames Gray, hell even Gray blames Gray but nah the fighting cock will not have it.
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the mental gymnastics to make out it was so hard for Gray there ffs. It was fairly straightforward to deal with that ball or atleast protect it. Most of these guys rave about him, he’s cost 40m yet they don’t expect him to deal with that. Come on, players know, he knew himself he was poor in that situation.
 
kingdawson said:
3 x 3 divided by pie squared multiplied by pytheagorean theoraem add 2 Brazilian butt lifts.

The amount of mental gymnastics and picture frame evaluation done to divert blame from Gray and pin it on another of the boards least fashionable target practice players is so desperate it's funny.

The manager blames Gray, our own player blames Gray, hell even Gray blames Gray but nah the fighting cock will not have it.
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so everyone who thinks it was a shit pass has an agenda against vic?
 
Shadydan said:
Bergvall passing the ball to Romero was the right thing to do, Romero decided to try and take a player on instead of passing it to Porro, that doesn't mean the ball was a bad one, that's literally the point of playing that pass as you're trying to bait the press which opens up space in the middle of the pitch.

I actually find it incredible the amount of people who claim to watch football yet don't know that the vast majority of teams build up the same way in this position, it's called a bounce pass for a reason and yes what would normally happen is that the keeper or CB would play it into a DM even when they've got players running onto them because they'd get the ball back and thus you've taken a player out of position which allows you to advance up the pitch.



And onto this point, you're right the ball from Vic isn't the best but I'd expect any competent footballer to deal with it whether it was on his weaker foot or not. I'll make this point again because you clearly ignored it (the irony) is that Palhinha altered his run up and changed his body shape to play a first time pass out to VDV (look how he swings his leg before he receives the ball), whilst Archie Gray didn't do that hence the example.

That ball isn't a bad decision because that is how the manager wants us to play, that his how most managers want their teams to play Pep, Arteta, Slot etc...that's called high risk high reward football, saying kick it long wilfully and hilariously misses the point of keeping possession to draw the press out.
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ok
 
Shadydan said:
Bergvall passing the ball to Romero was the right thing to do, Romero decided to try and take a player on instead of passing it to Porro, that doesn't mean the ball was a bad one, that's literally the point of playing that pass as you're trying to bait the press which opens up space in the middle of the pitch.

I actually find it incredible the amount of people who claim to watch football yet don't know that the vast majority of teams build up the same way in this position, it's called a bounce pass for a reason and yes what would normally happen is that the keeper or CB would play it into a DM even when they've got players running onto them because they'd get the ball back and thus you've taken a player out of position which allows you to advance up the pitch.



And onto this point, you're right the ball from Vic isn't the best but I'd expect any competent footballer to deal with it whether it was on his weaker foot or not. I'll make this point again because you clearly ignored it (the irony) is that Palhinha altered his run up and changed his body shape to play a first time pass out to VDV (look how he swings his leg before he receives the ball), whilst Archie Gray didn't do that hence the example.

That ball isn't a bad decision because that is how the manager wants us to play, that his how most managers want their teams to play Pep, Arteta, Slot etc...that's called high risk high reward football, saying kick it long wilfully and hilariously misses the point of keeping possession to draw the press out.
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Aphex said:
There's one thing being incompetent, and making mistakes. He's not good enough end of. But for me it's the way he continually berates younger players in our team when HE fucks up. Instead of holding his hands up, he blames others.
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yep, hes a nasty piece of work. hes very lucky its a squad full of meek boys, if he tried that shit with an actual man in the changing room hed be pulled up on it and put in his place the flappy twonk.

its fucking cringe that someone who plays football with feet ronald mcdonald would turn his nose up at, has the nerve to berate anyone.

his days were numbered when he got rightly booed after the fulham gaffe anyway. fans have seen enough.
 
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