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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Sir Archibald Crooks said:
37 pts from 38 games is just mind boggling. Worse than anything we did in the 90s/early 00's. I still dont think its sunk in to many fans what a state we're in, seems a lot of denial. I think 37 pts this season will have you very close if not hitting that 3rd relegation spot. Think we'll likely pick up a bit once out of the CL and get around mid to late 40 pts but its still pretty bleak.
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A LOT of people did this in Poch's final year - the cup performances seemed to drown out how absolutely terrible we were doing in the league. I just can't get my head around how we used to have really bad league form in the past but still finished top 6 or 7, and yet under Ange is was redefined to be actual relegation level stuff.

What I don't think people should be doing, however, is equating Frank not setting the world alight to be a dichotomy to last season. He's actually improved what we were in the league well before he came, and the romantic notion of xG and attacking football is borrowed from the first 10 games of either season, not the other 56
 
Ideally see frank out till end of season then get poch back. But if we keep losing games next 10-14 days imo he has to be sacked. Like him as a person but cant carry on these defeats. Tbh im a bit pissed off were 13th at xmas. Pants!
 
CJJ said:
A LOT of people did this in Poch's final year - the cup performances seemed to drown out how absolutely terrible we were doing in the league. I just can't get my head around how we used to have really bad league form in the past but still finished top 6 or 7, and yet under Ange is was redefined to be actual relegation level stuff.

What I don't think people should be doing, however, is equating Frank not setting the world alight to be a dichotomy to last season. He's actually improved what we were in the league well before he came, and the romantic notion of xG and attacking football is borrowed from the first 10 games of either season, not the other 56
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The problems in the league, during season 18 / 19, began after the miser sold Moussa Dembele in the January transfer window.

Game 19 was Bournemouth, at home, on Boxing Day, which Spurs won 5-0. We had won 2-6 away at Everton the game before.

Up to this point Spurs had won 15 and lost 4.

Dembele left in January and was replaced with Winks.

In the 19 remaining games Spurs won 8, drew 2 and lost 9.

Poch famously asked for new furniture during this period.

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Kosher Kid said:
The problems in the league, during season 18 / 19, began after the miser sold Moussa Dembele in the January transfer window.

Game 19 was Bournemouth, at home, on Boxing Day, which Spurs won 5-0. We had won 2-6 away at Everton the game before.

Up to this point Spurs had won 15 and lost 4.

Dembele left in January and was replaced with Winks.

In the 19 remaining games Spurs won 8, drew 2 and lost 9.

Poch famously asked for new furniture during this period.

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Poch deserves another chance and to be backed to hilt.
 
I am usually very much of a blame the ownership not the manager mindset (and in this case I still think it’s not entirely Franks fault, in the sense that I don’t think he should have been put in this position by the powers that be)

But in this instance, I think we simply have get rid of him.

There is not one single aspect of him that inspires any confidence that he has what it takes to turn this around. We are a complete and utter mess from top to bottom. We are playing genuinely the worst football I’ve seen us play in the last 20 years.

He is woefully out of his depth when it comes to what he’s saying in the media, constantly digging out fans who are paying the highest ticket prices in the league to watch the utter garbage he’s serving up week in, week out. It’s unbelievable that the club haven’t pulled him up yet tbh.

Some of the decisions he makes in game - bringing on Ben Davies as a left back when we were 2-0 down the other week the worst of the lot and as sure a sign you will ever see that the guy doesn’t know what he is doing.

The fact that the players clearly have absolutely no faith in him - not one player has gone out of their way to defend him or say any kind of encouraging words towards him after any defeat this season, speaks volumes.
Clearly they are not playing for him, and tbh even from the outside looking in, he inspires fuck all confidence from the line, if he’s not roaring and screaming like a maniac he’s buried in an iPad. No sense of calm or composure.

What we are seeing on the pitch now is simply unacceptable on every level. The club need to grow a pair of bollocks, put on their big boy pants, admit they made a mistake appointing this bloke and get rid.

And for the “there’s no one available now” brigade using that as an excuse to keep him, I don’t give a fuck. If there’s no one immediately available, bring in an interim and bring in a permanent manager in the summer. Big clubs don’t carry on like that.
ANYTHING would be better that the relegation scrap we are hurtling towards with Frank.
 
Kosher Kid said:
The problems in the league, during season 18 / 19, began after the miser sold Moussa Dembele in the January transfer window.

Game 19 was Bournemouth, at home, on Boxing Day, which Spurs won 5-0. We had won 2-6 away at Everton the game before.

Up to this point Spurs had won 15 and lost 4.

Dembele left in January and was replaced with Winks.

In the 19 remaining games Spurs won 8, drew 2 and lost 9.

Poch famously asked for new furniture during this period.

:levyeyes:

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It went somewhat unnoticed due to the catalogue of calamity Levy had created, but to
a) allow it get to the stage that we were still so reliant on Dembele in the 18/19 season despite his physical decline.
b) then sell him in Jan 2019 without any replacement, despite how important he still was to us
Was just negligence beyond belief.

The fact that some clowns still give Pochettino stick, when the above is just one of the numerous examples of the contempt he was treated with by ENIC during his time here, makes me sick.
 
TomHotspur said:
It went somewhat unnoticed due to the catalogue of calamity Levy had created, but to
a) allow it get to the stage that we were still so reliant on Dembele in the 18/19 season despite his physical decline.
b) then sell him in Jan 2019 without any replacement, despite how important he still was to us
Was just negligence beyond belief.

The fact that some clowns still give Pochettino stick, when the above is just one of the numerous examples of the contempt he was treated with by ENIC during his time here, makes me sick.
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Kosher Kid said:
The problems in the league, during season 18 / 19, began after the miser sold Moussa Dembele in the January transfer window.

Game 19 was Bournemouth, at home, on Boxing Day, which Spurs won 5-0. We had won 2-6 away at Everton the game before.

Up to this point Spurs had won 15 and lost 4.

Dembele left in January and was replaced with Winks.

In the 19 remaining games Spurs won 8, drew 2 and lost 9.

Poch famously asked for new furniture during this period.

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Again, that's rewriting history.

Poch started leaving him out of the side and he had only patchy appearances until January. The reality is that he'd probably already decided his body was on the wane and asked for that move as it was a big payday. He didn't play a lot of games in China and retired not long after.

So no, he wasn't "replaced with Winks" in January - Winks was a regular starter already

Poch also rejected a lot of "furniture" that season, if you believe what the cheif scout, Pleat, and others have said (rather than people on forums)
 
TomHotspur said:
It went somewhat unnoticed due to the catalogue of calamity Levy had created, but to
a) allow it get to the stage that we were still so reliant on Dembele in the 18/19 season despite his physical decline.
b) then sell him in Jan 2019 without any replacement, despite how important he still was to us
Was just negligence beyond belief.
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He wasn't reliant on him, hence why he went. He didn't play much and "despite how important he still was to us" was, well, not enough to get much game time
 
SSN just showed a stat, Frank is one of the worst managers at home over the last 19 games, includes Brentford in this.

All the other 9 or 10 managers on the list have been sacked.

Frank was third, and he'd by far played the most home games out of all of the other managers. Most had played around 10 and been sacked. He's managed 19 home games, and he was third in the table.

Utterly shocking.
 
Aphex said:
SSN just showed a stat, Frank is one of the worst managers at home over the last 19 games, includes Brentford in this.

All the other 9 or 10 managers on the list have been sacked.

Frank was third, and he'd by far played the most home games out of all of the other managers. Most had played around 10 and been sacked. He's managed 19 home games, and he was third in the table.

Utterly shocking.
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So many deluding themselves into thinking he was something special with basically nothing to go on...

Got rid of a proven winner for someone who's never won anything in their entire career.

The football he played at Brentford was crap. So many make it out to be something it never was. Had some of the lowest % possession stats and played some of the most long balls in the league.
 
Notabadsquad said:
That's a balanced view.

How long does one wait for any manager, and what, aside from the obvious results changing, is there to convince?

Like you I did not expect anything spectacular but I did have reason to see improvement from last year's PL dross. It's nowhere to be seen. Nothing is better to my eyes.

So, are you solely against changing the manager because you don't like the idea of sacking him so soon, or because you have evidenced reason for believing Frank will find the answers?
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A bit of both really. I wasn't that impressed with Poch to start with, if I'm perfectly honest, so I'm a bit wary to offload just yet. It's a mess alright.
 
CJJ said:
Yeah I agree I think they do show character, but it's not consistent. They look like they can't really be arsed most games, but then will find it when they're 2-0 down.

It is almost like they're running on some kind of mental fatigue from last season.
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It will take decades to recover from the hideous disaster of winning a major European Trophy for sure.

We better make sure we never do it again and on THAT metric everything's certainly going to plan this season :D
 
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