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Player Archie Gray

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He’s 19 man.. not got a problem with him at all, the fact he’s got these expectations in the first place is the fault of our recruitment
Forty million pounds.

If you have "no problem" with him starting at all then there's something seriously wrong. He is no where near ready for premiership football but we have to play him to justify the price tag (as well as the lack of options now in the middle).
 
its scary when a 19 year old is showing more midfield nous than anyone else at the club.

be nice if bentancur could pick up a knock at this point. force franks hand!
I don’t think Gray is showing anything to be brutally honest. I don’t care whether he’s 18 or 34 he’s offering very little. I don’t get why people want to make out he’s anything other than average just now. He might improve but he’ll never be a top midfield player. He’s not good enough at things you need from a midfielder. Bentancur is better player than him.
 
I don’t think Gray is showing anything to be brutally honest. I don’t care whether he’s 18 or 34 he’s offering very little. I don’t get why people want to make out he’s anything other than average just now. He might improve but he’ll never be a top midfield player. He’s not good enough at things you need from a midfielder. Bentancur is better player than him.
how is bentancur a better player? by going sideways and backwards? bentancur offers fuck all! hes a big reason as to why we cant get on top of teams, yes theres other factors too, but hes a big one and hes in the most important position on the pitch, playing coward football!

bentancur has turned into harry winks.

its tough for the rest of the midfield when you have a coward like bentancur in there, he kills the midfield.
 
He looks like he only just wants to get through games. Subtly makes himself unavailable for a pass. Even on the odd occasion he gets on the ball its untidy and loose. im not convinced there’s that much potential there either
 
Forty million pounds.

If you have "no problem" with him starting at all then there's something seriously wrong. He is no where near ready for premiership football but we have to play him to justify the price tag (as well as the lack of options now in the middle).

We don't have to play any player to justify a price tag.

Gray might need to play for other reasons, but not because of his price tag.
 
how is bentancur a better player? by going sideways and backwards? bentancur offers fuck all! hes a big reason as to why we cant get on top of teams, yes theres other factors too, but hes a big one and hes in the most important position on the pitch, playing coward football!

bentancur has turned into harry winks.

its tough for the rest of the midfield when you have a coward like bentancur in there, he kills the midfield.
I don’t think Bentancur is brilliant but I’d rather be in there with him than Archie. I don’t see the potential in Archie that I see in Bergvall. He has no real attributes apart from he’s a fit boy but that’s a given. This needing legs and mobility in centre midfield is overrated. All our players get about well enough but they are one paced and can’t play. We need a guy that can pass the ball and slow it down and quicken it up when the time is right. I watched Xhaka in the second half today and he was exactly that. If we signed a player that was in his late 20s or early 30s this fucking place would have a meltdown. We need men that can play the game and not kids like Gray or Sarr or older ones like Paulinha and Bentancur that all do the same thing. Bergvall playing as a centre midfielder with a guy that can dictate the game will take him up a level. Xavi will become a better player with that type too. Maybe when Madders comes back he might have to change his game and be able to play that role. We have too many of the exact same no risk footballers in midfield.
 
Gray was very good today. Running everywhere, pressing, getting forward and carrying the ball,

I said at the time it was the wrong decision to sub him. Not take him off and he probably tracks that runner. Palhinha was nowhere to be seen.

Fully agree. It was a mistake to sub him and we lost any ability to keep the ball or run past the Sunderland MF. He definitely sniffs that Sunderland goal out as well.
 
Gray was very good today. Running everywhere, pressing, getting forward and carrying the ball,



Fully agree. It was a mistake to sub him and we lost any ability to keep the ball or run past the Sunderland MF. He definitely sniffs that Sunderland goal out as well.
Hilarious that he brought on Palhinha, paired him with Bentancur, and Sunderland still cut through so easily. Romero made a misjudgement but the “protection” was non-existent.
 
I don’t think Bentancur is brilliant but I’d rather be in there with him than Archie. I don’t see the potential in Archie that I see in Bergvall. He has no real attributes apart from he’s a fit boy but that’s a given. This needing legs and mobility in centre midfield is overrated. All our players get about well enough but they are one paced and can’t play. We need a guy that can pass the ball and slow it down and quicken it up when the time is right. I watched Xhaka in the second half today and he was exactly that. If we signed a player that was in his late 20s or early 30s this fucking place would have a meltdown. We need men that can play the game and not kids like Gray or Sarr or older ones like Paulinha and Bentancur that all do the same thing. Bergvall playing as a centre midfielder with a guy that can dictate the game will take him up a level. Xavi will become a better player with that type too. Maybe when Madders comes back he might have to change his game and be able to play that role. We have too many of the exact same no risk footballers in midfield.
bentancur is a constant feature in our midfield problems, thats not a coincidence. i think the people that are clinging onto him being a good player are fooled by him looking neat and tidy while doing sweet fuck all, when he does try and actually play a productive pass, he fucks it up.

it should be -gray---pal--berg with what we have available now, palhinha offers steel and you let the two young kids go and express themselves, they both work hard enough off the ball to not make us soft when we do lose it. bentancur being in there is just a weaker version of palhinha, i actually think palhinha is better on the ball, he might not be as clean but at least hes not a complete coward and will try and play forward if its on. everyone knows what bentancur is going to do so what do you think thats going to do to his team mates when he has the ball? they switch off! theres no point trying to make a forward run as its wasted energy, hes going sideways and backwards. theres so many negatives to having bentancur in midfield.

i agree we need a better 6, palhinha is not the answer, but hes the solution if the alternative is bentancur, whos simply behind in all areas of being a good midfielder. if you cant get a proper dictator in there who knows how to use the ball, put someone in there whos not going to make you soft!
 
He should have stayed at Leeds for another year or 2. He’s nowhere near ready for what’s being expected if him.

That’s not his fault. It’s another example of this club being fucking inept at recruitment and player development.
 
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