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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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postbox said:
All the while they know theyll outlast a manager, they never will

The should, but they wont

Best we can hope for is new manager comes in, genuine clean slate, and actually MANAGES
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Not that he hasn’t brought it on himself, but they’ll get him out in the end.

I usually despise managers by the time they leave us but not this time with Frank. He seems a decent bloke. I was in central Denmark in the summer and to tell you the truth they are a funny lot. Not much fun and quite dour was my experience. He seems pretty anglicised in comparison and joyful.

Just the wrong club for him. Managers are always swimming against the tide at THFC and it seems too much for him. If the football weren’t dire I’d want him to work it out even more, probably why I’m still on the fence getting splinters!
 
postbox said:
Im inclined to some agreement with dudu

They are human beings, Im sure they are doing their best (or think they are) and Im sure they are aware of things not going well, are aware of the pressure - and getting screamed at and boo'd is going to effect morale and that relationship

Its natural

Although I wont condem fans for the boos and the discontent, its about the only way they have to communicating their feelins to the club/players/management

Its a pretty toxic situation right now

Though as I say above, I really, genuinely, feel its recoverable with a new manager - who is the right manager

A clean slate, some positivity, some better football - amazing how quickly things can improve, even if it feels impossible now
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Booing at the end of the game is one thing - shouting abuse at other human beings and booing during the game at a single mistake is another.

Real support is getting behind your team when they make an error to lift them. Cheering them on and raising the support levels whent hey need it most,

Its not even complicated psychology.
 
Trotter said:
Our amazing fans. ?

Our away fans are up there as some of the best, I have been fortunate to be amongst them since the late 70s. I can certainly judge our atmosphere against others as have been to them all on numerous occasions.

Our Home fabs are the complete opposite of amazing. The atmosphere created is not one of supporting the team, it is one of just sitting there and then criticising and worse at every small mistake. Our ground is an opponents paradise with our fans always willing to turn on their own players at the first opportunity. That is not support and can totally understand our players not wanting to play in it.

You say just get rid of them, well their replacements would just encounter the same shit our current players do.
Until we create an atmosphere that is ieven in a small way conducive to allowing our players to play the game without fear of being called a cunt and booed every couple of minutes l, things won’t change
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10 home defeats last season, 4 already this season, but thats the fans fault?

I get the atmosphere can be shit, but thats due to tickets costing so much and having loads of tourists but what the fuck do you expect the fans to do when we play shit boring football and have only won 8 times at home in the last 2 seasons?

Player like Porro and Romero all dream of a big move to Spain, however if they put in performances there like they do for us, then booing would be the least of there worries!
 
A manager change now does nothing, sadly.
There simply isn't an authoritative and capable individual we can install that can get our threadbare team in shape.
It we go down the caretaker route, the players all put their feet up even more. They don't have to impress this guy, he's gone in the summer.
Then the next guy comes in, 837rd manager in 3 years or whatever. Probably take us 3 months to chose him, miss the whole transfer window dithering between keeping the caretaker because won his last 2 games having lost the 5 before, or Poch, or Southgate.

It's all very much a road to nowhere. And that's mostly because changing the manager isn't fixing the problem at the club.
The problem is the club and the people that have been steering the ship for a quarter of a century.
Since before Gray, Bergvall, Sarr, Odobert, Tel, VdV, Kinsky, Udogie and Simons were even born.

If we want success and identity on the pitch, it needs to start form the top with a board and owners who actually want the football team to be winners and settle on what needs to be done to do that.
 
Son Spurs said:
While I absolutely agree that players emotions should be validated and respected if you are playing for a Premier League club you should have the self belief to turn any issue with the fans around. If you don’t then you’re probably not the guy for this level, irrespective of ability.

I’d imagine that players like VDV and Porro have aspirations of playing for a Real Madrid one day, well if they’re not looking at the situation at Spurs and have the arrogance to think “I’m the one who’s going to take this by the scruff of the neck” instead of getting into huddles to walk off in solidarity against the fans then what are you doing at this level? Madrid players get attacked when driving out of the stadium and while that is in no way an acceptable response to a football team losing a game and absolutely should have consequences, they don’t react the way our players have to something far less; being booed for poor performances, they turn their form around because they believe in themselves.

I’ve never seen a Premier League team have this sense of entitlement that their fans should tolerate 2 home wins all season. Chelsea players never had it when they were being booed for all of the “primadonna” stereotypes that get labelled to them, even West Ham players dont do it despite getting booed for generations now.
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I don't disagree with the premise of what you are saying but the situations youre describing are different.

Not sure I've seen many sets of fans treat players the way we have in recent season in the middle of the fucking games.
 
dudu said:
I don't disagree with the premise of what you are saying but the situations youre describing are different.

Not sure I've seen many sets of fans treat players the way we have in recent season in the middle of the fucking games.
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How closely do you monitor other team's fans?

The players are mouthing off because there is no one telling them to shut up and they are making mistake after mistake which they think can be excused by some media comment.



Fans shouldn't boo. I would never, but neither do they want anything to boo about.
 
Fattynomates said:
What happened to the coaching and team structure Frank would bring?

FWIW I don't think the squad is good enough but neither is Frank , not just in terms of tactics or basics, they just lack testicular fortitude, we have a squad full of boys so to speak and Frank is trying to be there mate, not upset the applecart, what we need is some real fighters in this squad and a manager who is not afraid to cut out the rot and drop shit performers, we have just become conditioned to losing , until we get a manager who the board are willing to back and who isn't afraid to cause a stir in the dressing room then i don't see us ever getting back to being a top 4 team, can this current setup provide that? thats the million dollar question!
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I was prepared for it to take half a season before we even begin to see a change. We were 10 minutes away from a 3rd clean sheet on the bounce against Sunderland.
Ange got back to back clean sheets twice in 2 seasons. Frank has done it twice in half a season.
There are improvements.
But they're not in any way shape or form interesting ones.
 
Fattynomates said:
Easy solution for that one, fuck off them players who do not feel comfortable to be playing in front of our amazing Fans, anyone who plays for Spurs should feel proud to be playing for a team with such an amazing history and to be playing for a proper club and if the players don't feel that then fuck them off, its that simple!
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Im not sure you understand what 'support' means mate

Only singing when your winning is not support
Booing players in the middle of games is not support.

Being a 12th man means doing your job and getting behind the team in difficult moments - that's what makes a difference not booing fucking mistakes - are you serious right now?

Of course they are the cause of the issues but they are being 'amazing' in the face of adversity - they are acting like babies
 
Notabadsquad said:
How closely do you monitor other team's fans?

The players are mouthing off because there is no one telling them to shut up and they are making mistake after mistake which they think can be excused by some media comment.

Fans shouldn't boo. I would never, but neither do they want anything to boo about.
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I watch a lot of football, mate - I don't believe I have heard any other set of fans boo a player for just being subbed on a'la Sanchez
 
dudu said:
I watch a lot of football, mate - I don't believe I have heard any other set of fans boo a player for just being subbed on a'la Sanchez
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Okay, my take on it is that if you play for a big club then there is massive expectation and I think the boos are simply exasperation.

And to change that sentiment we need to change the manager, and sell 2 or 3 players who are beginning to be more trouble than they are worth.

Winning the Europa was great. Wouldn't change it for a minute, but in hindsight it seems to have made one or two of the players believe in the image they have created.

They finished 17th, and should work and be worked to the point of exhaustion to make themselves better, and told to keep their fcuking views in check and show greater respect. And stop being played to teach them a lesson.
 
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dudu said:
I watch a lot of football, mate - I don't believe I have heard any other set of fans boo a player for just being subbed on a'la Sanchez
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I actually thought that was disgusting along with the booing of Vicario and I don't boo myself other than the Ref

However jeering the team as a whole has been going for years, it is not modern or purely a Spurs thing. I can remember the crowd singing that the players were not fit to wear the shirt along with other great numbers, all during the game.
Only last week Birmingham fans were singing, sideways and backwards, mocking their own team.

Spurs fans are no worse or better than other fans , we are all the same.
 
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