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Has VAR Ruined Football?

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DjKulu said:
On the stream i was watching the game on they said it was only a slight push so that must make it ok.

I wonder how they measure slight and big pushes.
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Whether it's by or against us, probably.
1st half when West Ham were attacking us, some one shoved our defender hard in the back when a cross came in. Nothing.
100% free kick. I was looking right at it from my seat. Even more of a shove in the back than when Romero was shoved against Liverpool.

If West Ham had scored and that wasn't disallowed, I'd happily have seen the fans invade the pitch and lynch the ref.
 
Matt1882 said:
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Not red.



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Red
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It's not the same though - Dalot (?) is facing the ball and challenging for it

Xavi was being stupid and didn't even challenge for the ball - it was down the back of VVDs calf

Can't really defending it like it's the same
 
Matt1882 said:
Doesn't.
They check it to the millimeter, spend too long checking and still manage to be scarily inconsistent.
It's sucked the joy out of watching live football. You now know, especially if you're a Spurs fan, before this you celebrate a goal, it's going to be checked.
And they're actively looking for a way to rule the goal out as refs are, by the very genetics, little hitler bellends
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I’ve said it before…football is about goals and the greater the goal the better. VAR is ruining the pleasure of seeing so many great goal by these minis use 1mm offside judgements. Players can’t determine if they are millimetres offside, it’s impossible. The only part of the body that should be adjudged offside is the foot , the whole foot no other part.
 
CJJ said:
It's not the same though - Dalot (?) is facing the ball and challenging for it

Xavi was being stupid and didn't even challenge for the ball - it was down the back of VVDs calf

Can't really defending it like it's the same
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Totally agree, not the same challenge, Simons way worse as from behind and ran a distance to attempt it and with more force.
However still believe, and it seems the PGMO do also (as basically Gallagher has agreed this morning) that Dalot should have been red also
 
Trotter said:
Totally agree, not the same challenge, Simons way worse as from behind and ran a distance to attempt it and with more force.
However still believe, and it seems the PGMO do also (as basically Gallagher has agreed this morning) that Dalot should have been red also
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Yeah I think I can see how it is more plausible as a yellow than Xavis, because it at least has the excuse of challenging for the ball (accidental). I don't think you can get that with standing on someone's calf at speed
 
CJJ said:
It's not the same though - Dalot (?) is facing the ball and challenging for it

Xavi was being stupid and didn't even challenge for the ball - it was down the back of VVDs calf

Can't really defending it like it's the same
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The point i was making is that they're both 100% slam dunk reds.
You cannot go in like that.
But of course, the ben refs and VAR pick and chose who to penalise.
White Hart said:
I’ve said it before…football is about goals and the greater the goal the better. VAR is ruining the pleasure of seeing so many great goal by these minis use 1mm offside judgements. Players can’t determine if they are millimetres offside, it’s impossible. The only part of the body that should be adjudged offside is the foot , the whole foot no other part.
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Another issue with judging players based on millimeters is the fact the tech they use means it's nigh on impossible to tell when the ball was actually played. 1 frame of footage is so slow you may never see the point of contact with the ball.
So unless the player was stood clearly offside before hand, the tolerance should be wider.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Man Utd's Diogo Dalot 'would have been given red card by VAR in Europe'

Manchester United's Diogo Dalot was not sent off against Manchester City after his foul on Jeremy Doku was "glancing" contact.
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Long read about the Dalot non red and all "similar" decisions.

They cite Sarr not being sent off against Chelsea last year and Curtis Jonest being sent off way back in 2023 for almost snapping Biss's leg in half as "controversial".

No mention at all of the Simons red card literally only a few weeks ago. :rolleyes:
 
CJJ said:
Yeah I think I can see how it is more plausible as a yellow than Xavis, because it at least has the excuse of challenging for the ball (accidental). I don't think you can get that with standing on someone's calf at speed
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Its knee high doesnt touch the ball. Glancing is horseshit. Dokus knee actually changes direction with the contact. Accidental means nothing when its dangerous.
Corruption, ineptitude take your pick
 
I'm telling you guys there is something extremely dodgy going on.

Last week against west ham we had the most obvious handball not given for us. VAR decided to not get involved and ref watch the next day didn't even mention it.

Watch the city game yesterday. Var instructed the ref to go to the screen for a handball even though the fist connection was the wolves defender kicking it into his arm.

I'm almost positive the Comms from VAR and the discussion involved something that could be considered dodgy (in our game)which is why the absolutely swept it under the rug.
 
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kingdawson said:
I'm telling you guys there is something extremely dodgy going on.

Last week against west ham we had the most obvious handball not given for us. VAR decided to not get involved and ref watch the next day didn't even mention it.

Watch the city game yesterday. Var instructed the ref to go to the screen for a handball even though the fist connection was the wolves defender kicking it into his arm.

I'm almost positive the Comms from VAR and the discussion involved somewhat that could be considered dodgy (in our game)which is why the absolutely swept it under the rug.
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England has a mixture of inept and bent refs. And they run the show 100%
They regulate themselves.
The make their own rules.
They review their own work.

There needs to be a non-referee appointment panel that questions every decision in every match after. Referees themselves need far more vetting. Both from a financial standpoint, but also from a bias point of view.
Just because a ref isn't a gooner, does it mean he's not bias against Spurs? Of course not. One we had a few weeks ago that was horrendous was a Leicester fan. They fcuking hate us from 15/16.
Everyone hates us. But there's also smaller biases. Spurs lose a game, Liverpool win a title, spites Man United. No direct bias against Spurs, just an indirect hate for United.
 
Matt1882 said:
England has a mixture of inept and bent refs. And they run the show 100%
They regulate themselves.
The make their own rules.
They review their own work.

There needs to be a non-referee appointment panel that questions every decision in every match after. Referees themselves need far more vetting. Both from a financial standpoint, but also from a bias point of view.
Just because a ref isn't a gooner, does it mean he's not bias against Spurs? Of course not. One we had a few weeks ago that was horrendous was a Leicester fan. They fcuking hate us from 15/16.
Everyone hates us. But there's also smaller biases. Spurs lose a game, Liverpool win a title, spites Man United. No direct bias against Spurs, just an indirect hate for United.
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Ref watch have never missed a discussion on a contencious VAR call...it's never happened.

Unfortunately we have a weasel manager that can't bring himself to stand up for us. We mock Forest for questioning every small call but I would much rather that then our bunch of cunts watching us getting completely screwed and not uttering a word.
 
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Ref watch just showing the Romero "foul" on Edwards that wasn't given because there was an offside in the build up.
At the time I was frustrated that it took so long to check when it was clearly offside. No amount of leniency involved


But they also apparently checked the Burnley goal that was flagged offside. VAR checked it. The guy was about 3 feet forward from the nearest defender.

What on EARTH are they checking these for?
Is it possible the VAR team were trying their hardest to spite us?
 
Matt1882 said:
Ref watch just showing the Romero "foul" on Edwards that wasn't given because there was an offside in the build up.
At the time I was frustrated that it took so long to check when it was clearly offside. No amount of leniency involved


But they also apparently checked the Burnley goal that was flagged offside. VAR checked it. The guy was about 3 feet forward from the nearest defender.

What on EARTH are they checking these for?
Is it possible the VAR team were trying their hardest to spite us?
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Trust me mate it's absolutely corrupt.

Ref watch focusing on absolutely nothing this week but conveniently miss the most contencious VAR call the week before. They wanted zero attention on that decision at all.....I wonder why.
 
Guardiola has called for Webb to come out and say why it wasn't a pen (and it wasn't even as blatant as ours) whilst our manager acts like a fucking simp and doesn't say a word.
 
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kingdawson said:
These people are absolute crooks.

So they remain quiet and sweep our handball against spammers under the rug with VAR deeming it to not be a handball but punish the referee who didn't give a handball for something that's even less of a handball then ours?????

If Frank doesn't mention this still...after this....he's an absolute cunt.
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Of course he hasn't been dropped because of complaining, when almost everyone believes he was right.
Just sensationist stuff that you buy 100% all the time.

It was the guys first Premier League game, he will get another in a few weeks. There are only 10 games to fit 19 referees in. They don't referee every weekend, they can't due to the amount of games available v. referees ratio.


And on the West Ham handball, I have not seen any referee on any forum suggest it was a handball, and they are quite quick to criticize their own. It was just a ball to hand, natural position situation. Literally the only person that has said anything was Keith Hackett who would argue black was white if it is against the PGMOL establishment, as he has never forgiven them for getting rid of him, and being controversial is the only way he can get people listening to his opinions so he can get paid.
 
Trotter said:
Of course he hasn't been dropped because of complaining, when almost everyone believes he was right.
Just sensationist stuff that you buy 100% all the time.

It was the guys first Premier League game, he will get another in a few weeks. There are only 10 games to fit 19 referees in. They don't referee every weekend, they can't due to the amount of games available v. referees ratio.


And on the West Ham handball, I have not seen any referee on any forum suggest it was a handball, and they are quite quick to criticize their own. It was just a ball to hand, natural position situation. Literally the only person that has said anything was Keith Hackett who would argue black was white if it is against the PGMOL establishment, as he has never forgiven them for getting rid of him, and being controversial is the only way he can get people listening to his opinions so he can get paid.
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Show me what you've read about any refs saying anything about it? I saw Hackett say it was handball and nobody else talk about it so show me what you're refering to please.

Did you say the west ham players are was in a natural position? Did you just say that?????
 
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