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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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I feel a bit better about our up and coming matches because reading these snippets about the players sure as hell weren't playing for him and clearly wanted him sacked, should see an uptick in performances going forward.
 
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Mike81 said:
Worst Spurs manager of my lifetime.

But let’s also make sure the finger is pointed at those who negligently let this sacking drag on at least 6 weeks longer than it should have.

It was obvious it wasn’t going to get any better. It was obvious Frank was dragging us into the relegation mire.
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If done 6 wks ago we would unlikely be where we are. Would also have been less pressure on the new manager. Now with only 12 games , goons next and the pack around us picking up points it’s much more pressure. Whoever comes don’t want to be known as the manager that took us down. Remember shearer at toon.
 
Papafeels said:
I don't think they threw Ange under the bus. Injuries and we just sort of fizzled out killed him, but the players loved him for some reason. Seems like they took exception to Frank from the off and definitely threw him under the bus.
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There was an interesting quote in the recent Athletic article on Frank:

"Another Tottenham player believed that while Postecoglou was perhaps not the best coach, the players respected him, admired his charisma and listened to what he said."

This is what I suspected. The player's must have been questioning some of Ange's choices last season, especially when things weren't going well. But they always respected him as a bloke and liked his positive playing style and ambition.

Frank wasn't a big enough character to own the dressing room and I think that issue was exacerbated as he was following a big character and an idealist like Ange. Sounds like he lost the dressing room within a few months and players had doubts from the very start.
 
Timberwolf said:
There was an interesting quote in the recent Athletic article on Frank:

"Another Tottenham player believed that while Postecoglou was perhaps not the best coach, the players respected him, admired his charisma and listened to what he said."

This is what I suspected. The player's must have been questioning some of Ange's choices last season, especially when things weren't going well. But they always respected him as a bloke and liked his big ideas and ambition.

Frank wasn't a big enough character to own the dressing room and I think that issue was exacerbated as he was following a big character and an idealist like Ange. Sounds like he lost the dressing room within a few months and players had doubts from the very start.
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Who wrote that? Seems bang on the money!

Few months? Few weeks more like. My alarms started really going during the Villarreal game, late feckin September. I'd not seen a more clueless outing in a very long time, and sadly, it got worse.

This was always the danger. We knew the players loved Ange, and the replacement had to be the right profile. Hiring a little data nerd who let himself be completely walked over was not it. I know most people here brushed off the VdV and Spence snub, but that was blatant insubordination l, and doing nothing there probably made him look like a complete pushover.
 
COYSinnit said:
If there’s any truth to those tweets, it backs up what several of us have said since Frank came in, that this group lacks professional integrity. I can’t remember the last time I saw a squad so devoid of professionalism and basic football intelligence at this level.

Frank likely lost the dressing room some time ago, and for that alone he should have been sacked long ago.

The same issue remains. This squad is uncoachable. You might get a brief new-manager bounce, but they’ll always revert to type. No matter who comes in, the cycle repeats. These players will get any manager sacked, 100%.
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That is all we need right now, a Premier League summer rebuild and not one in the Championship.

The cycle didn't repeat under Poch, Jose or Conte all big disciplinarians.
 
Papafeels said:
Who wrote that? Seems bang on the money!

Few months? Few weeks more like. My alarms started really going during the Villarreal game, late feckin September. I'd not seen a more clueless outing in a very long time, and sadly, it got worse.

This was always the danger. We knew the players loved Ange, and the replacement had to be the right profile. Hiring a little data nerd who let himself be completely walked over was not it. I know most people here brushed off the VdV and Spence snub, but that was blatant insubordination l, and doing nothing there probably made him look like a complete pushover.
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It was from some longread by Jack-Pitt Brooke and Jay Harris.

But yeah - players simply don't snub a manager they respect like that. They'd never dream of doing that do Conte, Jose or even Ange.

I've heard it said that players will take any chance to slack off and down tools in training - they're only human after all - and apparently that was the case with Frank.

As other have said he gave off small-time substitute teacher energy. Sometimes a personality simply doesn't fit and I think that's the heart of the issue here. Frank's tactics were bad and out football were ugly, but when the players don't even believe in the ideas or the manager, you're gonna lose that extra few % of commitment that are absolutely vital at the top level.

His Brentford team could play the exact same football and get results cos there was buy-in from the players that he never truly had at Spurs.
 
Papafeels said:
Who wrote that? Seems bang on the money!

Few months? Few weeks more like. My alarms started really going during the Villarreal game, late feckin September. I'd not seen a more clueless outing in a very long time, and sadly, it got worse.

This was always the danger. We knew the players loved Ange, and the replacement had to be the right profile. Hiring a little data nerd who let himself be completely walked over was not it. I know most people here brushed off the VdV and Spence snub, but that was blatant insubordination l, and doing nothing there probably made him look like a complete pushover.
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What a rotten bunch.
 
Methinks the Frank era will be forgotten before too long. What other era rivals this one for pure forgettableness?

Thinking of Sherwood perhaps?

Totally forgettable, no notable wins, no real identity to the squad. Not a long enough era to have accomplished anything. Missing the poor league position, but similar in feel.
 
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