Management ENIC

[GinolasLeftFoot]

I don't think that is correct. Way back when, when I was first on here, LVG was apparently at Levy's house because he was his preferred candidate, but at the time lots of people were saying Joe pushed for Pochettino or De Boer or one of those combinations.

I don't believe for a second that Levy had autonomy, or he wouldn't have gone to Joe's house every summer cap in hand.

People who have total autonomy tend not to get sacked, either.

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Like I said earlier, ENIC was just funding, regardless of how small or big you think they invested.

But the day today running was Levy.

And it was toss up between Poch and De Boer at the time, and I think De Boar went to another PL team and completely failed.

People are trying to absolve any blame from Levy, for what happened to the club since he failed to invest for three windows before the CL final.

 

[CJJ]

Like I said earlier, ENIC was just funding, regardless of how small or big you think they invested.

But the day today running was Levy.

And it was toss up between Poch and De Boer at the time, and I think De Boar went to another PL team and completely failed.

People are trying to absolve any blame from Levy, for what happened to the club since he failed to invest for three windows before the CL final.

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It wasn't three windows.

Have you ever considered the evidence that, perhaps, he wasn't the big evil man people are absolutely obsessed with painting him as? It's bonkers to be so set on treating the man as the problem, when the problem is very clearly amplified now

 

[Dixiefish61]

OK.

Let me put this another way.

I remember what happened when we got saddled with ENIC and Levy in the first place.

Sugar had run out of road but at the point that Sugar sold up to ENIC an entity know as TAG, Tottenham Action Group, led by a character called Mark Jacob, took it upon themselves to protest at matches and generally chase Sugar out of the club.

I believe a book called; What's The Story; Boring Glory, documents the period and was written by Mark Jacob.

Read about this guy and what he went on to do after he delivered ENIC up to THFC;

Exclusive: Portsmouth takeover power-broker is a massive Tottenham fan

Wheeler dealer Mark Jacob will sit on the new board

www.mirror.co.uk

Portsmouth continue to play out their tragedy as farce | David Conn

David Conn: Portsmouth's employment of a fraudster in Daniel Azougy is symptomatic of a club lurching towards disaster

www.theguardian.com

Ex Portsmouth director and two others guilty of misconduct

THREE solicitors and top London law firm Fuglers were fined a total of £80,000 and ordered to pay £60,000 costs today for professional misconduct involving Portsmouth Football Club.

www.express.co.uk

Sacked Graham to sue Spurs

George Graham has threatened to take legal action against Tottenham following what he called the club's "bizarre and inexplicable" decision to sack him for an alleged breach of contract.

www.theguardian.com

We need to be very careful as supporters of Spurs at the moment.

Chasing the Lewis family out at the current time may seem like the right thing to do but I wouldn't be so sure of that.

ENIC under the Lewis family may prove to be more of the same but in respect of any sale of the club; we need to make sure we get the right owners next time.

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That’s all far too reasoned and considered.

 

[Papafeels]

That’s all far too reasoned and considered.

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No one is going to buy the club for £3-4bn to let it rot and go the way we are? With almost certainty, no one.

 

[McCOYS]

Not really fighting for Postecoglu’s corner. I’m fighting against yours.

Good news for you is that I doubt I’ll last 30 years.

Keep up your VdV as manager shite and you’ll find out if I do or not. Might give one of my kids my password so i can haunt you from the grave.

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Impostercoglou Impostercoglou Impostercoglou

It's like Beeteljuice but instead of Michael Keaton appearing as the rascal it's Aberdeenyid taking hours out of his otherwise wonderful life, he's inadvertently amusing me, because my life if fairly crap and hasn't been wonderful at all, one of the things that I do take pleasure from on a daily basis is chuckling at certain comments and behaviours on this fun forum.

So thank you kindly Aberdeenyid, please never stop, please keep injecting me with joy, the more you spit the better I like it.

In return I promise I'll never stop mentioning how VdV and Romero won the Europa League by managing the team in a completely different way to Postecoglou, so I'll keep providing you with the fuel, and you keep making me chuckle!!

 

[McCOYS]

Doesn't change history.

Levy was in charge and called the shots.

And he got sacked for awful number of bad choices leading up to CL final and since.

All levy had to do was getting an attacking minded manager after Poch, one big enough to carry the team forward.

Instead he went full ego, got a defensive boring manager in Mourinho, who's style of football didn't suit us...

Flip flop styles and sent the club into a downward spiral...

The rest is history.

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I've decided I'm going to continue referring to Levy's tenure as ENIC, if you want to accuse me of re-writting history and being pathetic that's fine.

If anything they've stopped being called ENIC since Levy went, now the owners are referred to as The Lewis Family.

So you saying it's now ENIC could be considered just as much of a rewritting of history.

I suspect the reason it's being referred to as The Lewis Family and not ENIC, is to exclude Levy from the title of the club ownership.

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

I've decided I'm going to continue referring to Levy's tenure as ENIC, if you want to accuse me of re-writting history and being pathetic that's fine.

If anything they've stopped being called ENIC since Levy went, now the owners are referred to as The Lewis Family.

So you saying it's now ENIC could be considered just as much of a rewritting of history.

I suspect the reason it's being referred to as The Lewis Family and not ENIC, is to exclude Levy from the title of the club ownership.

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It's changed. When Joe handed to control of Spurs over to his Children, that was when ENIC (Lewis Children) became more involved with in the day to day operations of running club, in Effect, ENIC became more involved, rather than just leaving it all to Levy to run, as it was before, for the last 25 odd years.

VV is the new Levy, but ENIC (the Lewis Chidlren) have taken up an active role in the club. Things started to happen they started putting their people in the club, probably to see how it was being run. They watched Levy, and they gave him enough rope to hang himself, and get sacked one week into the new season, probably due the cluster fuck of the transfer window. But there have be rumours that the Kids didn't like how he was running the club, but who knows, it could be true.

Until Levy left, that was the case that Levy ran the club, everyone knew he did.

So recently, there has been clear organisational changes at the top.

 

[Shadydan]

It's changed. When Joe handed to control of Spurs over to his Children, that was when ENIC (Lewis Children) became more involved with in the day to day operations of running club, in Effect, ENIC became more involved, rather than just leaving it all to Levy, is it was before.

VV is the new Levy, but ENIC (the Lewis Chidlren) have taken up an active role in the club.

Until Levy left, it was the case that Levy ran the club.

So there has been clear organisational changes at the top.

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Joe handed over the club to his kids in 2022, Levy got kicked out in 2025.

Explain what happened in those 3 years and why didn't the new kids on the block act sooner?

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

It wasn't three windows.

Have you ever considered the evidence that, perhaps, he wasn't the big evil man people are absolutely obsessed with painting him as? It's bonkers to be so set on treating the man as the problem, when the problem is very clearly amplified now

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It was three windows, IIRC.

Winter, summer, winter, as far as I remember. Finally investing during the summer after the CL when got nDombele etc.

 

[McCOYS]

It's changed. When Joe handed to control of Spurs over to his Children, that was when ENIC (Lewis Children) became more involved with in the day to day operations of running club, in Effect, ENIC became more involved, rather than just leaving it all to Levy to run, as it was before, for the last 25 odd years.

VV is the new Levy, but ENIC (the Lewis Chidlren) have taken up an active role in the club. Things started to happen they started putting their people in the club, probably to see how it was being run. They watched Levy, and they gave him enough rope to hang himself, and get sacked one week into the new season, probably due the cluster fuck of the transfer window. But there have be rumours that the Kids didn't like how he was running the club, but who knows, it could be true.

Until Levy left, that was the case that Levy ran the club, everyone knew he did.

So recently, there has been clear organisational changes at the top.

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The difference between Levy and VV is that Levy owns part of the club through his share in ENIC, no ENIC no Levy, the two are forever intertwined in the history of this football club.

In the end the Lewis family didn't want Levy in the club, perhaps they didn't like that he hired Postecoglou and ended up 17th, maybe they think that he simply went through too many managers and mismanaged the club by having to keep paying them off and getting new players for the conveyor belt of new managers going through the club.

So you can say that Levy did this, that, the other, without consulting ENIC about it, but the fact that they kicked his arse out the door, shows that he was part of them, he was their man, he was the face of ENIC at the club.

Nobody else on the forum seems to be saying Levy's tenure wasn't ENIC's tenure except you.

Think of it as an MP, the MP sorts out the stuff in their own constituency to which they were elected, but they're still known as Labour, or Conservative, whatever the party may be,

So in business Levy is ENIC party.

 

[Timberwolf]

Joe handed over the club to his kids in 2022, Levy got kicked out in 2025.

Explain what happened in those 3 years and why didn't the new kids on the block act sooner?

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Fair point. Seems like they basically let Levy continue exactly what he was doing and run it as his personal business for a couple of years (same as Joe) with no additional investment. Although wasn't there some 150m thing invested around 2022, around the time shit kicked off with Joe?

My guess is they didn't want to rock the boat and at the time Levy was doing OK - had us in the CL with Conte. But after shit fell apart over Ange's 2nd season they decided to do the club audit to see what was going wrong. This it what subsequently led to Levy getting sacked, an entirely new organisational structure put in place, and a new financial model for the club mooted (i.e.higher salaries, greater investment in the squad).

Reading between the lines, I reckon they're not especially interested in Spurs or football in general, but when Levy started floundering in Ange's 2nd season they were like "we can do better than this". I suspect they're looking at clubs like Woolwich that are paying higher salaries and thinking that in order for the club to grow we need to move in that direction.

I don't think they want to invest big out of the kindness of their hearts, I reckon they just genuinely feel Levy had the wrong approach and it was hurting their investment. This is why I think they mean it when they want to spend bigger moving forward - if they didn't want to do that they could've kept their mouths shut and happily let Levy keep chugging along with his safety-first approach.

Sacking Levy was a clear signal of intent and a sign that they want to change the direction of the club (for better or worse). So far it's been for the worse, sadly.

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

The difference between Levy and VV is that Levy owns part of the club through his share in ENIC, no ENIC no Levy, the two are forever intertwined in the history of this football club.

In the end the Lewis family didn't want Levy in the club, perhaps they didn't like that he hired Postecoglou and ended up 17th, maybe they think that he simply went through too many managers and mismanaged the club by having to keep paying them off and getting new players for the conveyor belt of new managers going through the club.

So you can say that Levy did this, that, the other, without consulting ENIC about it, but the fact that they kicked his arse out the door, shows that he was part of them, he was their man, he was the face of ENIC at the club.

Nobody else on the forum seems to be saying Levy's tenure wasn't ENIC's tenure except you.

Think of it as an MP, the MP sorts out the stuff in their own constituency to which they were elected, but they're still known as Labour, or Conservative, whatever the party may be,

So in business Levy is ENIC party.

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Blah blah, absolving Levy of the damage he done to club.

Pure desperation.

Sorry, but it's complete nonsense...

You are literally scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses to excuse Levy of the cluster fuck he left.

 

[Timberwolf]

The difference between Levy and VV is that Levy owns part of the club through his share in ENIC, no ENIC no Levy, the two are forever intertwined in the history of this football club.

In the end the Lewis family didn't want Levy in the club, perhaps they didn't like that he hired Postecoglou and ended up 17th, maybe they think that he simply went through too many managers and mismanaged the club by having to keep paying them off and getting new players for the conveyor belt of new managers going through the club.

So you can say that Levy did this, that, the other, without consulting ENIC about it, but the fact that they kicked his arse out the door, shows that he was part of them, he was their man, he was the face of ENIC at the club.

Nobody else on the forum seems to be saying Levy's tenure wasn't ENIC's tenure except you.

Think of it as an MP, the MP sorts out the stuff in their own constituency to which they were elected, but they're still known as Labour, or Conservative, whatever the party may be,

So in business Levy is ENIC party.

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I think there's a clear distinction, though.

I think for 95% of Levy's time in charge of Spurs it was essentially his baby. Joe clearly didn't give a fuck about football and had zero intention at all of investing his cash in Spurs. He just said to Levy 'keep it self sustainable and grow the club however you want provided you don't tank the thing'. And since Levy also had huge shares in ENIC, this suited him down to the ground: in growing Spurs he was making himself incredibly wealthy.

But for all intents and purposes, while ENIC owned us, Spurs was Levy's club over that period with ENIC having no actual involvement in the financing or day-to-day running of the club at all besides being the parent company. Levy prudently and proudly make Spurs self-sustainable without any money from the ownership. When Levy got the sack there were so many quotes from insider saying that Spurs "felt like a family business" - it was Levy's club.

But then the kids took over and everything changed. ENIC went from being owned by a bloke who didnt give a fuck about Spurs and just let Levy do his thing, to his kids who actually started questioning Levy's methods. And that's what led to him getting sacked.

If Joe was still in charge I'm certain Levy would still be here. And that sums up why things have changed. ENIC as an entity under the kids are no longer 'outsourcing' Spurs to Levy, they're taking an active interest and throwing their weight around by restructuring the club, sacking Levy and putting their own people in place.

I think it's clear there's been a seismic change in the approach to the club ownership in the past 2 years. It might not prove to be that significant in a footballing sense - we'll have to see how much they are willing to invest - but I think anyone that thinks this is just business as usual under ENIC is mistaken.

 

[McCOYS]

Blah blah, absolving Levy of the damage he done to club.

Pure desperation.

Sorry, but it's complete nonsense...

You are literally scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses to excuse Levy of the cluster fuck he left.

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Okay if what you took from my post, is by including Levy as part of ENIC I'm excusing him of something, then we may as well just leave the conversation as that.

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

Okay if what you took from my post, is by including Levy as part of ENIC I'm excusing him of something, then we may as well just leave the conversation as that.

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There was never a conversation in the first place. Just you rewriting history and who was actually running the club.

Read Timberwolf post. Explains it very well.

 

[McCOYS]

I think there's a clear distinction, though.

I think for 95% of Levy's time in charge of Spurs it was essentially his baby. Joe clearly didn't give a fuck about football and had zero intention at all of investing his cash in Spurs. He just said to Levy 'keep it self sustainable and grow the club however you want provided you don't tank the thing'. And since Levy also had huge shares in ENIC, this suited him down to the ground: in growing Spurs he was making himself incredibly wealthy.

But for all intents and purposes, while ENIC owned us, Spurs was Levy's club over that period with ENIC having no actual involvement in the financing or day-to-day running of the club at all besides being the parent company. Levy prudently and proudly make Spurs self-sustainable without any money from the ownership. When Levy got the sack there were so many quotes from insider saying that Spurs "felt like a family business" - it was Levy's club.

But then the kids took over and everything changed. ENIC went from being owned by a bloke who didnt give a fuck about Spurs and just let Levy do his thing, to his kids who actually started questioning Levy's methods. And that's what led to him getting sacked.

If Joe was still in charge I'm certain Levy would still be here. And that sums up why things have changed. ENIC as an entity under the kids are no longer 'outsourcing' Spurs to Levy, they're taking an active interest and throwing their weight around by restructuring the club, sacking Levy and putting their own people in place.

I think it's clear there's been a seismic change in the approach to the club ownership in the past 2 years. It might not prove to be that significant in a footballing sense - we'll have to see how much they are willing to invest - but I think anyone that thinks this is just business as usual under ENIC is mistaken.

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Yes I'm aware how Levy operated, he was pretty much left to get on with it by Lewis, I have no argument about that.

For me however Levy was only at the club because he owns part of ENIC, he may very well not have been told what to do by Joe Lewis, but he's acting in the interest of ENIC, he wants to increase the value of the club for ENIC, because he is part ENIC.

So I'm not going to change my view that ENIC have owned and run this club for the past 25 years, even if they have for the best part let their agent at the football club get on with it as he wants, it's them letting him do it. Well it was until they kicked his arse out the door.

Lets say I own a business and appoint a chairman, if I decide to be hands off and let him do with the role as he pleases, and what he pleases isn't making the customers happy, so he's a bad chairman , a very naughty boy, a bad egg, the only person that can stop him from doing it is me the owner, and if I let him continue again it's me the owner taking my eye of the ball, not caring etc etc, so it's not just Levy its' the whole shebang!

Doing nothing is actually doing something, lets just call it neglect. So all the managers that have been let down by Levy have also been neglected by Lewis, because he hasn't bothered, so ENIC let Levy do as he wants, meaning they let the club rot.

 

[McCOYS]

There was never a conversation in the first place. Just you rewriting history and who was actually running the club.

Read Timberwolf post. Explains it very well.

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He explained it better than you did but I've just countered his post with my post, but yeah it's probably best for you to just read the conversation from now on.

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

He explained it better than you did but I've just countered his post with my post, but yeah it's probably best for you to just read the conversation from now on.

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Don't be an arrogant fool, I will speak my mind and if you post BS, I will call it BS.

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

Yes I'm aware how Levy operated, he was pretty much left to get on with it by Lewis, I have no argument about that.

For me however Levy is only at the club because he owns part of ENIC, he may very well not have been told what to do by Joe Lewis, but he's acting in the interest of ENIC, he wants to increase the value of the club for ENIC, because he is part ENIC.

So I'm not going to change my view that ENIC have owned and run this club for the past 25 years, even if they have for the best part let their agent at the football club get on with it as he wants, it's them letting him do it. Well it was until they kicked his arse out the door.

Doing nothing is actually doing something, lets just call it neglect. So all the managers that have been let down by Levy have also been neglected by Lewis, because he hasn't bothered, so ENIC let Levy do as he wants, meaning they let the club rot.

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ENIC owned the club, but they didn't run the club. This is an undeniable fact until recently when the kids took an active interest.

Your first paragraph, you admit this yourself, and yet you still try to go through mental gymnastics to say that ENIC have run club for the last 25 odd years. No they didn't, they didn't run anything, it was all Levy, for all intent and purposes. Levy has seperate shares

And your last paragraph again, is trying to palm off blame, for the mistakes that Levy made. As I said before, yes ENIC should have had a more active roll in the club, and no one, will ever argue this point I think. But everything is on Levy, he called the shots, hired the managers, then never backed them, not ENIC, not anyone else, just Levy...

It was his project, his baby, his fecking mess... Despite up until the three windows before the CL, the club was on the up, as Timberwolf pointed out the other day.

 

[GinolasLeftFoot]

Fair point. Seems like they basically let Levy continue exactly what he was doing and run it as his personal business for a couple of years (same as Joe) with no additional investment. Although wasn't there some 150m thing invested around 2022, around the time shit kicked off with Joe?

My guess is they didn't want to rock the boat and at the time Levy was doing OK - had us in the CL with Conte. But after shit fell apart over Ange's 2nd season they decided to do the club audit to see what was going wrong. This it what subsequently led to Levy getting sacked, an entirely new organisational structure put in place, and a new financial model for the club mooted (i.e.higher salaries, greater investment in the squad).

Reading between the lines, I reckon they're not especially interested in Spurs or football in general, but when Levy started floundering in Ange's 2nd season they were like "we can do better than this". I suspect they're looking at clubs like Woolwich that are paying higher salaries and thinking that in order for the club to grow we need to move in that direction.

I don't think they want to invest big out of the kindness of their hearts, I reckon they just genuinely feel Levy had the wrong approach and it was hurting their investment. This is why I think they mean it when they want to spend bigger moving forward - if they didn't want to do that they could've kept their mouths shut and happily let Levy keep chugging along with his safety-first approach.

Sacking Levy was a clear signal of intent and a sign that they want to change the direction of the club (for better or worse). So far it's been for the worse, sadly.

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They was taking stock of what was going on, it's as simple as that. Not forgetting that Levy own something like 30% of the shares that ENIC owned, or something like that.

And they also had to find out what was going on first too. Hence the changes last year with Donna going etc.