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Management Who should be Tottenham's next manager after Frank?

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If Frank gets sacked in a near future, who would you like to see as his permanent replacement?

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mattjw said:
Ok, let me word it differently.

He failed the least of any manager we've had since, let's say, the 80s probably. Certainly in my lifetime (born in '90)
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Did you live in an alternate universe when you popped out in the 90's?......Venables and the man in the overcoat both won silverware in that decade followed by a league Cup with Oneday and ELC with AP in the 2000's which translates to all 4 being more successful than Poch.

Don't get me wrong loved Poch's tenure and will always remember it as one of the best most enjoyable periods we've had as fans....we did however win feck all and winning stuff is the only true barometer of success.
 
If I was a gambling man I would not be setting fire to my fiver by betting on us getting relegated.
But I might have 50p on Robbie being our new manager.
 
citizenabel said:
Did you live in an alternate universe when you popped out in the 90's?......Venables and the man in the overcoat both won silverware in that decade followed by a league Cup with Oneday and ELC with AP in the 2000's which translates to all 4 being more successful than Poch.

Don't get me wrong loved Poch's tenure and will always remember it as one of the best most enjoyable periods we've had as fans....we did however win feck all and winning stuff is the only true barometer of success.
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Dunno if I agree with this. Does that mean no manager that overperforms with a bottom half team is ever successful?

Success is relative to each club. In a league where we're competing with a slew of bigger, richer clubs that spend more on salaries and transfer fees, getting 2nd in the league and the CL final is a hell of an achievement. It might not be success in the purest of terms, but it's still really bloody impressive and the most enjoyment I've ever had over a sustained period watching Spurs.

We've won cups under shit/flawed managers before. I'd say Poch was far, far more successful overall than Ramos or Ange even if he never got us over the line and won a trophy.
 
mattjw said:
Ok, let me word it differently.

He failed the least of any manager we've had since, let's say, the 80s probably. Certainly in my lifetime (born in '90)
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Redknapp failed the least. He came in to save us from relegation and had us in a cup final within 6 months or so, the top four for the first time in 20 years within 18 months, and would have been near a title if he hadn't got a case of the narcasissms.

He did a number on anyone that came after him, as he basically established the expectation of top 4 finishes. Poch is very close, but he had a much better head start with the players and position we were in.
 
Rose early career in Austria is impressive

For the 2017–18 season, Rose succeeded Óscar García as head coach of RB Salzburg.[4] In his first season, the team won the Austrian championship and reached the semi-finals of the Europa League, beating teams like Borussia Dortmund and Lazio. The final of the Austrian cup against Sturm Graz was lost. In the second season, RB Salzburg started the league with ten wins which broke the previous record of the league. In the Europa League, they reached the quarter final against Napoli. Rose never lost a home game during his tenure as head coach of Salzburg.[5]
 
FOK said:
Rose early career in Austria is impressive

For the 2017–18 season, Rose succeeded Óscar García as head coach of RB Salzburg.[4] In his first season, the team won the Austrian championship and reached the semi-finals of the Europa League, beating teams like Borussia Dortmund and Lazio. The final of the Austrian cup against Sturm Graz was lost. In the second season, RB Salzburg started the league with ten wins which broke the previous record of the league. In the Europa League, they reached the quarter final against Napoli. Rose never lost a home game during his tenure as head coach of Salzburg.[5]
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He does have a very good record and if we stay up he's a good option, but I'd be worried about how much of a gamble it is for him to start in the PL (with this situation)
 
If they're genuinely wanting to look at an interim manager, they should be able to make quite appealing by tying a massive bonus to avoiding relegation.
It won't be that interesting for currently employed managers, but you'd assume it may convince the likes of Rose.
 
CerealMaterial said:
If they're genuinely wanting to look at an interim manager, they should be able to make quite appealing by tying a massive bonus to avoiding relegation.
It won't be that interesting for currently employed managers, but you'd assume it may convince the likes of Rose.
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My guess is someone like Rose would need longer term assurances and wouldn't join on a 3 month contract even if we offered him a fat bonus for survival.

The middle ground might be a 1.5 or 2.5 year contract with a break-clause if we go down/bonus if he keeps us up. I don't think he'd be desperate enough to come in purely as an interim.
 
Timberwolf said:
Dunno if I agree with this. Does that mean no manager that overperforms with a bottom half team is ever successful?

Success is relative to each club. In a league where we're competing with a slew of bigger, richer clubs that spend more on salaries and transfer fees, getting 2nd in the league and the CL final is a hell of an achievement. It might not be success in the purest of terms, but it's still really bloody impressive and the most enjoyment I've ever had over a sustained period watching Spurs.

We've won cups under shit/flawed managers before. I'd say Poch was far, far more successful overall than Ramos or Ange even if he never got us over the line and won a trophy.
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Pure nonsense and a play on words....of course you can use subjectivity to argue levels of relative success e.g. successfully avoiding the drop nobody is denying that but it can hardly be viewed as winning something can it?

If people wish to maintain they feel Poch achieved more in his tenure than others before who actually won something I also have no problem with that.

However in the cold light of day despite there being many layers the only true measure of success is winning something a fact that is borne out when speaking about those managers often reffered to as serial winners.
 
I still can’t believe those idiots gave Frank so long when it was obvious what was happening back in October. Ok, nobody expected them to sack him then, but he should have been gone by Christmas. Then we could have given it to an interim and been fine until the summer.

Instead we’re now in a position where we need a really good manager to get us out of the shit.
 
citizenabel said:
Pure nonsense and a play on words....of course you can use subjectivity to argue levels of relative success e.g. successfully avoiding the drop nobody is denying that but it can hardly be viewed as winning something can it?

If people wish to maintain they feel Poch achieved more in his tenure than others before who actually won something I also have no problem with that.

However in the cold light of day despite there being many layers the only true measure of success is winning something a fact that is borne out when speaking about those managers often reffered to as serial winners.
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The few years under Poch when we were winning every week at the top end of the table, being lauded by pundits as the best team in the country, beating top teams including our London rivals home and away, making it to the latter stages of the domestic cups and the CL final were infinitely more enjoyable than the two years under Ange that culminated in the Europa League. I don’t care what anyone says.

If people genuinely enjoyed that one night over those amazing years under Poch I just don’t get it.

The only thing missing under Poch was the trophy but that period under Poch was the best since the 1980s. The trophy under Ramos or Ange doesn’t come close to it.

The game really is about more than a trophy. It’s about the context. The trophy should be the culmination of the glory period but a trophy surrounded by shite isn’t all that.

Woolwich's fans have enjoyed the last three years far more than we have, yet we are the ones with a trophy. Which just shows winning a trophy isn’t just what it’s about.
 
citizenabel said:
Pure nonsense and a play on words....of course you can use subjectivity to argue levels of relative success e.g. successfully avoiding the drop nobody is denying that but it can hardly be viewed as winning something can it?

If people wish to maintain they feel Poch achieved more in his tenure than others before who actually won something I also have no problem with that.

However in the cold light of day despite there being many layers the only true measure of success is winning something a fact that is borne out when speaking about those managers often reffered to as serial winners.
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Yeah but 'success' and 'winning things' aren't necessarily the same thing.

Tbh we're just arguing semantics here, but if you genuinely think Ramos was a more successful manager than Poch then all the more power to you but I think that's absolute bollocks.
 
Aphex said:
The few years under Poch when we were winning every week at the top end of the table, being lauded by pundits as the best team in the country, beating top teams including our London rivals home and away, making it to the latter stages of the domestic cups and the CL final were infinitely more enjoyable than the two years under Ange that culminated in the Europa League. I don’t care what anyone says.

If people genuinely enjoyed that one night over those amazing years under Poch I just don’t get it.

The only thing missing under Poch was the trophy but that period under Poch was the best since the 1980s. The trophy under Ramos or Ange doesn’t come close to it.

The game really is about more than a trophy. It’s about the context. The trophy should be the culmination of the glory period but a trophy surrounded by shite isn’t all that.
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Absolutely! The travesty is that we DIDN'T win a trophy under Poch... It doesn't make Ange's time here better by virtue of that trophy....
As wonderful as winning it was, the 90 minutes were agony to watch... and Ajax away will always love longer in the memory as a spectacle and a pure explosion of unudulturated joy....
The Europa League win was just a fucking relief after 17 barren years, more than anything else!

Aphex said:
Woolwich's fans have enjoyed the last three years far more than we have, yet we are the ones with a trophy. Which just shows winning a trophy isn’t just what it’s about.
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Quite right... That's the Hokey-Cokey!
 
Timberwolf said:
My guess is someone like Rose would need longer term assurances and wouldn't join on a 3 month contract even if we offered him a fat bonus for survival.

The middle ground might be a 1.5 or 2.5 year contract with a break-clause if we go down/bonus if he keeps us up. I don't think he'd be desperate enough to come in purely as an interim.
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He doesn't really have anything to lose though. It's very unlikely that his reputation would take a hit if we go down.
 
CerealMaterial said:
He doesn't really have anything to lose though. It's very unlikely that his reputation would take a hit if we go down.
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Hmm not sure - do you really want to be 'the guy that relegated Spurs'? Even if it's not his fault it will be a stain on his CV and taint his reputation in England if he had aspirations of working here again.

That's why I reckon he'd want longer term assurances - if he fails he at least gets a bigger payoff or a chance to prove himself. Could be wrong but he doesn't strike me as some Gary O'Neil or Moyes post-Sociedad that's just desperate for a gig to get his name in the conversation.
 
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