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Manager Thomas Frank

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Are you Frank Out or In?

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Timberwolf said:
Think it speaks to the lack of proper "football" people involved in the process. Vinai the LinkedIn exec, Lange a glorified scout and Levy.

You'd hope that someone who really knew their stuff would have seen through Frank at the interview stage. Pretty sure he's had multiple interviews over the years (including Liverpool) and has never got a bigger job until Spurs.

While I don't usually trust Paratici on managers he's the only one that seemingly was against Frank from the beginning according to the Athletic. Maybe he sensed it?
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Club has always been a shambles on that under ENIC. Defensive managers NEVER work with us yet we have hired Jose, Nuno, Frank etc. Each time it sets us up to fail and they do it repeatedly. At what point do they learn. How many times can you put you hand on the stove and get burnt before you think maybe I should stop doing this.
 
Tomo said:
Club has always been a shambles on that under ENIC. Defensive managers NEVER work with us yet we have hired Jose, Nuno, Frank etc. Each time it sets us up to fail and they do it repeatedly. At what point do they learn. How many times can you put you hand on the stove and get burnt before you think maybe I should stop doing this.
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The thing is, in defence of the club - Frank came in making all the right noises

"To not take a risk, is also to take a risk...." etc

I mean, this statement is the antithesis of what he actually did - but its what he was saying coming into the club

I can give enough grace to Vinai/Levy etc to say it would at least seem they made it clear what we stood for and he sold them on it - then didnt deliver.

I still cant give any grace for them letting it run this long though...
 
postbox said:
The thing is, in defence of the club - Frank came in making all the right noises

"To not take a risk, is also to take a risk...." etc

I mean, this statement is the antithesis of what he actually did - but its what he was saying coming into the club

I can give enough grace to Vinai/Levy etc to say it would at least seem they made it clear what we stood for and he sold them on it - then didnt deliver.

I still cant give any grace for them letting it run this long though...
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Can't defend the club for this crap, it was Vinai and Lange's little Temu Arteta project trying to recreate what Arse did without doing any due diligence on us or Brentford, they should get sacked for this fuck up alone.
 
Shadydan said:
Can't defend the club for this crap, it was Vinai and Lange's little Temu Arteta project trying to recreate what Arse did without doing any due diligence on us or Brentford, they should get sacked for this fuck up alone.
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It was very widely reported, for a good while, how Frank was primed for the next big job

That he came in talking the right talk tells me thats the basis on which he was hired

As you pointed out yourself - its all very reminiscent of Brighton/Potter/Chelsea - same mistake being made

I will happily kick the club for a lot of things, but for me hiring Frank was an honest mistake, so I wont kick them for that

Sooooo many people were convinced he would scale up, or like me convinced themselves...
 
Did anyone notice with Thomas Frank he tendency to overthink questions and constantly changing and modifying his answers. He did this in his interview with Michael Carrick. It used to really irritate me.
 
enfield1985 said:
Did anyone notice with Thomas Frank he tendency to overthink questions and constantly changing and modifying his answers. He did this in his interview with Michael Carrick. It used to really irritate me.
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I generally felt the more he spoke the less convinced I was he knew what he was doing

I kind of feel the same about the team as well, its like he says "we press" and then it doesnt work - he doesnt have any more depth to call on to deal with it, fix it, improve it

All very superficial
 
I think all concerned, pundits, media and of course many of the fans were surprised how poor the previous manager was, and mostly that was because he never transformed as is necessary. As was anticipated.

He stayed with the same mind of inferiority and whether that was as a result of how he was perceived or how he felt, ultimately, tbat was his undoing.

The biggest indictment will always be that it took those paid to know these things, so long to act when it was apparent by the end of last year. That is why that group should also be dismissed at the end of the season.
 
postbox said:
It was very widely reported, for a good while, how Frank was primed for the next big job

That he came in talking the right talk tells me thats the basis on which he was hired

As you pointed out yourself - its all very reminiscent of Brighton/Potter/Chelsea - same mistake being made

I will happily kick the club for a lot of things, but for me hiring Frank was an honest mistake, so I wont kick them for that

Sooooo many people were convinced he would scale up, or like me convinced themselves...
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Myself included but from the reports that have come out for example that Frank wasn’t the one directly disciplining players at Brentford and that they operate with a very different recruitment structure to what he's used to for example...these are just basic due diligence that they should have carried out...Those are details we wouldn’t necessarily know but Vinai and Lange absolutely would have known.

It was also clear that the club gave Romero the captaincy, not Frank...this is after Romero sent out that social media post thanking Ange when the moment they announced Frank - disrespect from your captain from day one before you even start with the club is mental...the guy was doomed from day one.
 
Shadydan said:
Myself included but from the reports that have come out for example that Frank wasn’t the one directly disciplining players at Brentford and that they operate with a very different recruitment structure to what he's used to for example...these are just basic due diligence that they should have carried out...Those are details we wouldn’t necessarily know but Vinai and Lange absolutely would have known.
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Maybe? As I say, it was a mistake hiring him. So obviously things in that process were flawed.

Its just one of those things I put down as an honest mistake, not something I would kick them for really - we all fuck up sometimes even with the best intentions
 
postbox said:
Maybe? As I say, it was a mistake hiring him. So obviously things in that process were flawed.

Its just one of those things I put down as an honest mistake, not something I would kick them for really - we all fuck up sometimes even with the best intentions
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Costly mistake, someone needs to be held accountable for it and what's worse they let it linger.

Levy would have sacked Frank way before we would have been embroiled in a relegation scrap.
 
Shadydan said:
Costly mistake, someone needs to be held accountable for it and what's worse they let it linger.

Levy would have sacked Frank way before we would have been embroiled in a relegation scrap.
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As I said - hiring him isnt one Ill go at the club for. KEEPING him, however...

Vinai has to have his head on the block on that one, no avoiding it

Personally I expect he'll escape the guillotine - probably/possibly at Langes expense

I expect a new DoF to come in soon, I think we'll see things re-ordered then.
 
postbox said:
As I said - hiring him isnt one Ill go at the club for. KEEPING him, however...

Vinai has to have his head on the block on that one, no avoiding it

Personally I expect he'll escape the guillotine - probably/possibly at Langes expense

I expect a new DoF to come in soon, I think we'll see things re-ordered then.
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I think they will both be gone. Vinai just after the summer transfer window and Lange by Christmas.
 
postbox said:
Maybe? As I say, it was a mistake hiring him. So obviously things in that process were flawed.

Its just one of those things I put down as an honest mistake, not something I would kick them for really - we all fuck up sometimes even with the best intentions
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Anyone with humility and an essence of human intelligence recognises exactly that.

You should/must also rectify your mistake once it becomes patently apparent.
 
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