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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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Kosher Kid said:
Well done.

I agree with all of that.

I am amazed how angry people have become in Levy's absence when juxtaposed with the apathy when he was still here, every time he left us short during transfer windows.

Levy was in charge for more than 40 transfer windows and was responsible for employing just about everyone at the club during that period.

Simon Jordan's behaviour defending Levy is also fucking embarrassing.

To reverse the position created by Levy, at the point he was sacked as THFC chairman, would take anyone a significant amount of time to sort out.

Where was all this anger while Levy was taking the piss during transfer windows and stealing a living as the best paid chairman in the Premier League?

Levy wants a billion pounds by the looks of it.

I'd actually accept relegation if the greedy cunt got nothing like that for his share.

There will be happy times again after Levy.

For me he was 100% the reason Spurs have under achieved in the last 25 years.
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I'm no fucking Levy fan ye nutter. And pretending like 90% of this forum, bar the usual nutters didn't blame Levy is revisionism to new levels.

They're a different management group, within ENIC, different faces, same shit. Can't see through that, there's no helping you.

How do you explain not sacking Frank until far too late, keeping Vinai and Lange in jobs, deciding to spend in January, but on two players that we either didn't need, or will hardly play? They've failed miserably thus far, we're in the midst of a relegation battle, yet they're going to deliver better happy times?

Give me what you're smoking.
 
To the question of ENIC In vs ENIC Out, I think the factor of "ownership who need to justify a multibillion pound investment in the club are structurally forced to be more ambitious than an ownership whose value basis in the club is only 200-300 odd million" is pretty underrated.

The Lewis kids are quite literally playing with house money in a way any successor inherently would not be.
 
FightingIllini said:
To the question of ENIC In vs ENIC Out, I think the factor of "ownership who need to justify a multibillion pound investment in the club are structurally forced to be more ambitious than an ownership whose value basis in the club is only 200-300 odd million" is pretty underrated.

The Lewis kids are quite literally playing with house money in a way any successor inherently would not be.
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It's quite baffling how people can be supportive of the kids, considering they don't have any history in football, and are in a position to run it based off nothing but nepotism.

What could possibly go wrong? ENIC is ENIC. Who's the face of of it matters little.
 
Papafeels said:
It's quite baffling how people can be supportive of the kids, considering they don't have any history in football, and are in a position to run it based off nothing but nepotism.

What could possibly go wrong? ENIC is ENIC. Who's the face of of it matters little.
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I don't know how supportive anyone actually is per se.

But I agree, it's the double edged sword of it being new post-Levy management.

We can't hold Vivian Lewis responsible for Nelsen and Saha or whatever, pick your decades of complaints, but by the same token Vivan Lewis gets absolutely zero credit for the stadium or oh look how much better we are than under Alan Sugar, etc etc.

This new lot has zero credibility, and Guardian headlines about blowing up the wage structure mean precisely fuck-all.
 
Papafeels said:
I'm no fucking Levy fan ye nutter. And pretending like 90% of this forum, bar the usual nutters didn't blame Levy is revisionism to new levels.

They're a different management group, within ENIC, different faces, same shit. Can't see through that, there's no helping you.

How do you explain not sacking Frank until far too late, keeping Vinai and Lange in jobs, deciding to spend in January, but on two players that we either didn't need, or will hardly play? They've failed miserably thus far, we're in the midst of a relegation battle, yet they're going to deliver better happy times?

Give me what you're smoking.
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He see Levy as anathema and most of his posts on here will reference it in tone, so much so that any suggestion to him of Levy not being above hitler on the "worst humans ever" list will provoke that reaction
 
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Kosher Kid said:
Simon Jordan's behaviour defending Levy is also fucking embarrassing.
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Everything that cunt says and does is embarrassing. I've never seen him get a fact right about any point he makes regarding Spurs — I remember TalkSport got in some ex-recruitment staff from THFC for one call for one day and they basically denied everything Jordan was saying every day for years.
 
HyNdZee said:
Everything that cunt says and does is embarrassing. I've never seen him get a fact right about any point he makes regarding Spurs — I remember TalkSport got in some ex-recruitment staff from THFC for one call for one day and they basically denied everything Jordan was saying every day for years.
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If it was the one with David Webb, he actually corroborated a lot of it but TalkSport decided it was more clickbait to spin it the other way. He said Levy was involved and had opinions, but ultimately after Mitchell left it was Poch who had the final say on all transfers
 
CJJ said:
If it was the one with David Webb, he actually corroborated a lot of it but TalkSport decided it was more clickbait to spin it the other way. He said Levy was involved and had opinions, but ultimately after Mitchell left it was Poch who had the final say on all transfers
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Nah. I think it is pretty obvious that Levy let go his best recruitment staff about a decade ago. It's also obvious they just blocked a lot of good deals.

I think Poch's last contract was a disaster and giving him more authority was a problem — for example, we needed defensive midfield as a priority of sporting direction and instead signed two luxury attacking midfielders that didn't work out.

However, that said, even Poch didn't get what he wanted as a priority. None of the decent managers or recruitment specialists did. The likes of Hitchen and Cullen and anyone else Levy employed would block anything good for no beneficial reason.
 
HyNdZee said:
Nah. I think it is pretty obvious that Levy let go his best recruitment staff about a decade ago. It's also obvious they just blocked a lot of good deals.

I think Poch's last contract was a disaster and giving him more authority was a problem — for example, we needed defensive midfield as a priority of sporting direction and instead signed two luxury attacking midfielders that didn't work out.

However, that said, even Poch didn't get what he wanted as a priority. None of the decent managers or recruitment specialists did. The likes of Hitchen and Cullen and anyone else Levy employed would block anything good for no beneficial reason.
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That's not what they have said at all though.

I get people are adhering to whatever makes them feel comfortable, but in 25 years of employment it's just not been supported by any of the people involved.

I agree that Poch should never have been given the autonomy he was, but the fans were screaming for it (in ignorance) and part of the whole thing, IMO, is that that fact itself is what leads to people ignoring that part of our downfall was his lack of eye for a player, in spite of his ability as a coach.
 
HyNdZee said:
Nah. I think it is pretty obvious that Levy let go his best recruitment staff about a decade ago. It's also obvious they just blocked a lot of good deals.

I think Poch's last contract was a disaster and giving him more authority was a problem — for example, we needed defensive midfield as a priority of sporting direction and instead signed two luxury attacking midfielders that didn't work out.

However, that said, even Poch didn't get what he wanted as a priority. None of the decent managers or recruitment specialists did. The likes of Hitchen and Cullen and anyone else Levy employed would block anything good for no beneficial reason.
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Pretty sure he was trying to turn Ndombele into Dembele, right idea because he was press resistant and he could actually release the ball quickly however he was just pure lazy, terrible scouting.

Poch did a lot of weird stuff though in his final year, when he tried to turn Harry Winks into Luka Modric and play that diamond shape in midfield I knew he'd lost the plot by then.
 
spursmalc said:
You will therefore know that ENIC being a business does not make any decisions it is the people owning or running it. That was Joe & Levy but is now the Lewis children. So whilst the business name has not changed those in charge have and when children take over their father’s business they frequently take it in another direction. Too early to know how genuine they are with what they are saying.
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It’s not too early mate. Look @ January’s transfer window. It’s not too early, unfortunately it’s likely far too late.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Well done.

I agree with all of that.

I am amazed how angry people have become in Levy's absence when juxtaposed with the apathy when he was still here, every time he left us short during transfer windows.

Levy was in charge for more than 40 transfer windows and was responsible for employing just about everyone at the club during that period.

Simon Jordan's behaviour defending Levy is also fucking embarrassing.

To reverse the position created by Levy, at the point he was sacked as THFC chairman, would take anyone a significant amount of time to sort out.

Where was all this anger while Levy was taking the piss during transfer windows and stealing a living as the best paid chairman in the Premier League?

Levy wants a billion pounds by the looks of it.

I'd actually accept relegation if the greedy cunt got nothing like that for his share.

There will be happy times again after Levy.

For me he was 100% the reason Spurs have under achieved in the last 25 years.
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There is no Reason that I would accept relegation as good. I would consider it a disaster and cannot understand it being acceptable to any Spurs fan.
 

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spursmalc said:
There is no Reason that I would accept relegation as good. I would consider it a disaster and cannot understand it being acceptable to any Spurs fan.
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If it happens I'll try my best to laugh at the absurdity of it and enjoy the novelty factor - on a game by game basis I'm not sure the Championship could possibly be less enjoyable than the shit we've watched for the past 2-ish years (Europa aside).

But obviously by every objective measure relegation is deeply unacceptable, extremely embarrassing and a complete failure from everyone in charge of the club.

For the actual long term good of the club it's imperative that we stay in the PL. Crazy if anyone says otherwise.
 
Timberwolf said:
If it happens I'll try my best to laugh at the absurdity of it and enjoy the novelty factor - on a game by game basis I'm not sure the Championship could possibly be less enjoyable than the shit we've watched for the past 2-ish years (Europa aside).

But obviously by every objective measure relegation is deeply unacceptable, extremely embarrassing and a complete failure from everyone in charge of the club.

For the actual long term good of the club it's imperative that we stay in the PL. Crazy if anyone says otherwise.
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I disagree on the last statement. If we stay up, expect Lange and Vinai to stay and the owners to continue their no investment strategy, and we will likely be fighting relegation again.

Relegation could enable a clear out from top to bottom and radical change. Short term pain, long term gain. I hate our current doom cycle and it must change. If we stay up, how will it differ?

I firmly believe we are resilient enough to take a one off £200M hit and it can be offset by player sales/loans ending.

Steam rollering the champo is the momentum we need to bounce back
 
Teach said:
I disagree on the last statement. If we stay up, expect Lange and Vinai to stay and the owners to continue their no investment strategy, and we will likely be fighting relegation again.

Relegation could enable a clear out from top to bottom and radical change. Short term pain, long term gain. I hate our current doom cycle and it must change. If we stay up, how will it differ?

I firmly believe we are resilient enough to take a one off £200M hit and it can be offset by player sales/loans ending.

Steam rollering the champo is the momentum we need to bounce back
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Even if we stay up heads will roll. ENIC are a clownshow but I suspect at least one of Vinai and Lange will be given the boot if we survive - presumably Lange if it's just one of 'em.

I think survival and a reset with a new DoF and (presumably) Poch would be much better for us in the long run than relegation. With relegation we're instantly forced to sell a few of our more talented players and hurt very badly financially. Villa came back stronger after relegation but that was after 3 years of toil and new ownership coming in - there's no guarantee we'd bounce back stronger right away and I don't think ENIC would sell from a position of weakness.
 
Ulrika-ka-ka-ka said:
The new owners have only had direct control of this club since September when Levy left. They only lost faith in Levy at the beginning of last year when they appointed Charrington and Vinai against Levy’s wishes. Effectively they have had one transfer window and the early signs were good with Johnson out and Gallagher in. Us under Levy would have been haggling over £1m and a bag of wotsits until 31 Jan under Levy.

I’m disappointed like everyone we did nothing in the last 2 weeks but that seems to be down to Lange and Frank. Lewis kids pumped in £100m of their own money in October to help the club / build the team so there was money available.

Let’s shoot the right people here. The new owners have had 1 transfer window and less than six months. The shit squad etc is down to Levy management.
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🤣🤣...what new owners?! 🤣
 
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